Dalvin signs with jets

[Dopey]

44 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Not really. Going into last season the Bills had made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons and were coming off back-to-back AFCE titles. What has this turd of a team done. 7 wins last year Whoop dee doo. Last playoff appearance 2010. I really hope they are this year's Wilson and the Broncos. I will laugh my ass off all season if they are. 

I'm referring to how annoying it was for to hear "Bills, Bills, Bills, SB favs" last season by the media. It all started with Kyle Brandt's ridiculous calling of our draft pick. Wearing those damn zubs pants. That was sweet jacket though. I'm glad spotlight isn't so bright on us this year. Did he actually have a wing in his hand?!

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

The New York media excited about the Jets after acquiring Cook and Rodgers. You're  listening to NY sports radio about the Jets. If it bothers you why do you listen?

Every local news station in the country should only talk about the Bills QB2 battle and debate if Trent Sherfield is the best WR in the AFC. Any mention of any other team should be followed with, “they suck, let’s talk about the linebackers of Buffalo.”

[nucci]

6 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

It's not just WFAN. It's in the papers, TV. I have family, friends, co-workers many who are Jets fans. We trash talk all in good fun, however. I live in NJ about 20 minutes from MetLife so it's hard to escape the media attention of the Jets. Really hope we beat them week 1.

I get it but it's also understandable they're excited. Your location doesn't help but Bills fans and media can be just as annoying. 

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

They should have spent that $$ on a left tackle their line is horrendous

They should have….. but who would they have signed?  They didn’t have the cap room until rodgers took the pay cut.

 

their best bet is hoping they can trade for Bakhtiari and his 20M cap hit.  No one else is trading a good tackle

[What a Tuel]

49 minutes ago, nucci said:

So many of you think the Jets adding Rodgers and Cook won't make them a better team?

A Jet player on NY sports radio. Shocking. I've never heard the Bills and Allen being praised on WGR. 

 

It makes them a better team, but people ignore that both Rodgers and Cook (not as bad of a down year) had down years last year and attribute it at least for Rodgers to "just not trying". 

 

Rodgers had the most INT's since his rookie year last year, 3rd lowest TDs, 3rd lowest completion %, and least yards in a non injured season.

 

We will see if a new team gives him a spark or if last year is the beginning of the end. 

 

I look at Dalvin Cook as just the placeholder for Breece Hall who apparently isn't ready. Breece Hall should be better, so does that really make them better? Yeah, but not better than the Jets with a healthy breece hall.

Edited August 15, 2023 by What a Tuel

[The Jokeman]

12 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Running game regressed post-Zimmer. Lest we forget the 81 yard run in week 9 of last year.  

It was a great run but all the other runs he had weren't that great. Either he's lost a step or Minnesota's OL has regressed in recent years as he's not the Dalvin he was in 2020. 

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

It makes them a better team, but people ignore that both Rodgers and Cook (not as bad of a down year) had down years last year and attribute it at least for Rodgers to "just not trying". 

 

Rodgers had the most INT's since his rookie year last year, 3rd lowest TDs, 3rd lowest completion %, and least yards in a non injured season.

 

We will see if a new team gives him a spark or if last year is the beginning of the end. 

 

I look at Dalvin Cook as just the placeholder for Breece Hall who apparently isn't ready. Breece Hall should be better, so does that really make them better? Yeah, but not better than the Jets with a healthy breece hall.

No one is ignoring Rodgers had a down year. It's mentioned all the time, especially here. You're right about Cook but he is still really good and will help them

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

It makes them a better team, but people ignore that both Rodgers and Cook (not as bad of a down year) had down years last year and attribute it at least for Rodgers to "just not trying". 

 

Rodgers had the most INT's since his rookie year last year, 3rd lowest TDs, 3rd lowest completion %, and least yards in a non injured season.

 

We will see if a new team gives him a spark or if last year is the beginning of the end. 

 

I look at Dalvin Cook as just the placeholder for Breece Hall who apparently isn't ready. Breece Hall should be better, so does that really make them better? Yeah, but not better than the Jets with a healthy breece hall.

 

It may take until 2024 for Breece to get back to where he was. Look how long it took Barkley. He finally got back to being a very good RB last year, but it took some time.

50 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

They should have spent that $$ on a left tackle their line is horrendous

 

Probably counting on Becton to have a rebound year. For them they better hope so.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The Bills technically have two pro bowlers on the oline in Morse and Dawkins so technically yes they are much better 

Come on now. Pro bowlers by default. They are good but neither are elite.  The Bills oline has a lot to prove. 

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Doesn’t change anything. Pretty good RBs don’t change teams.

So the Bills Cook and other Bills RBs hype is unwarranted based on your premise? 

[newcam2012]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Nah. He’s a RB. Doesn’t move the needle at all… I’d take my chances defending the running game and Cook rather than the pass with Rodgers and the Jets receivers. 

With respect, I don't agree with this logic. I believe this train of thought is flawed. Why?

 

The running game in modern day football has been minimized and undervalued. It's still a very important factor in any team's offense. 

 

More specifically, let's look at the Jets team. Do you think they want an older Rogers with a questionable oline to drop back and throw the ball 40 plus times s game? I think the answer is a clear no. Cook with an eventual healthy Hall can create problems for an opposing defenses. Additionally, both backs are dangerous in the screen game. 

 

The Jets would love to keep the ball out of the hands of Allen and Tua. I don't think they want to get into a shootout with either team. A solid running game controlling the clock and relying on on their D is their best way to win. 

 

Cook gives the Jets a better pathway to beat their defensive foes. It's a nice move for the Jets.

 

Remember, all the Buffalo fans pounding the table for Delvin? Now the Jets acquire him and that logic suddenly goes out the window. Really? 

 

This just sounds like the Bills fans hating on the Jets. 

Edited August 15, 2023 by newcam2012

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

29 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

It may take until 2024 for Breece to get back to where he was. Look how long it took Barkley. He finally got back to being a very good RB last year, but it took some time.

 

Probably counting on Becton to have a rebound year. For them they better hope so.

 

Becton has consistently pulled himself from the field and practice due to knee soreness. Weird situation for sure

[blacklabel]

I believe a wise man known as Yoda once said, "A poop I do not give."

[Logic]

Haven't read all 7 pages, but Dalvin Cook probably still has some juice. He's not a nobody, and I don't believe he's completely washed up.

 

My prediction remains the same. I have felt, and continue to feel, like this "Rodgers to the Jets" thing reminds me of when Favre went to the Vikings. One amazing year, and then the wheels came off.

I believe the Jets will be very good this year. They already had a very potent defense last year. They beat the Bills with Zach Wilson under center. They have since added Aaron Rodgers and Dalvin Cook. I expect they'll win a good number of games and make the playoffs as a Wild Card. Maybe even win the division.

I only expect one year of success in the Aaron Rodgers era, though. He seems to be too moody and mercurial of a guy for this arrangement to last long term. Whether it be health, Rodgers having a contentious relationship with the NY media when things go poorly...whatever it may be. I think it's one really good year and then it falls apart and they're back in the "no franchise QB" pile.

[ngbills]

More flawed logic. The Bills are gonna be better this year because the running game will be better with Cook, Harris, and Torrence on the OL. Other team gets RB and RB’s don’t matter. If the Jets D is solid as expected, Rodgers just have to distribute the ball to guys like Cook, Hall, Wilson. They will be a tough out for anyone. Going to hold a lot of teams under 20. With Rodgers and the players around him it’s going to be easier to score more than 20. They lost 6 games last year they held teams to 20 or less. Flip those and they are 13-4. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

13 hours ago, Billl said:

You’ve clearly not read the rest of this thread.  Denying it is all anyone has done.

 

This is like having a Ferrari with the best tires and no brake pads... we're just waiting for the inevitable Rodgers IR report. They are literally refusing to upgrade their offensive line for a 40 year old QB who is used to having a Top 3 OL in the NFL!!!! You're obviously denying that.

[newcam2012]

11 minutes ago, ngbills said:

More flawed logic. The Bills are gonna be better this year because the running game will be better with Cook, Harris, and Torrence on the OL. Other team gets RB and RB’s don’t matter. If the Jets D is solid as expected, Rodgers just have to distribute the ball to guys like Cook, Hall, Wilson. They will be a tough out for anyone. Going to hold a lot of teams under 20. With Rodgers and the players around him it’s going to be easier to score more than 20. They lost 6 games last year they held teams to 20 or less. Flip those and they are 13-4. 

Well said! That's why I referred to much of what has been said as Bills hate on the Jets. 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

This is like having a Ferrari with the best tires and no brake pads... we're just waiting for the inevitable Rodgers IR report. They are literally refusing to upgrade their offensive line for a 40 year old QB who is used to having a Top 3 OL in the NFL!!!! You're obviously denying that.

I heard all about a weak oline when the Bills played the Bengals. 

 

How did that weak Jets oline do vs Buffalo last year? If memory serves me right they ran the ball down the Bills throat repeatedly to run out the clock. That was with medicare RBs too. 

 

Last not be so quick to dismiss the Jets oline as a fatal flaw. The be jury is still out on the Bills oline. 

Edited August 15, 2023 by newcam2012

[frostbitmic]

25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Well said! That's why I referred to much of what has been said as Bills hate on the Jets. 

 

 

 

 

Of course it is, we're Bills fans **** the Jests. I believe old man Rodgers is going to get killed behind that line and Wilson will look awful when A-Aron goes down for a spell.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

13 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

A lot of the offense will no doubt fall on Rodgers. 

I don't think that's the case. With a suspect OL, all they need Rodgers to do is be a smart game manager and make good throws when he has to.  Hall/Cook/Bam are the best RB combo in the NFL. We saw what Chubb/Hunt did in Cleveland with a horrid Baker. Plus the Jets have a superstar in Garret Wilson.  The Jets OL is not great in pass pro, but they are BIG and strong. They are going to push and jam it down your throat and when you stack the line to take that away, Rodgers has reliable hands in Cobb, Lazard who already know his tendencies. They will be a safety valve to keep the chains moving, while defenses try to double or move a safety over to account for Wilson. 

 

Rodgers won't make the bad passes that Zach Wilson did. He won't take the dumb sacks. He won't miss the open throws. That's all they need. They don't need a Josh to make superstar plays to bail them out.  They need a consistent, smart QB that eliminates mistakes and doesn't turn the ball over. 

 

With that strong defense, it allows the offense to play with control. Don't sleep on them.  The Jets have closed the gap and the Bills have to bring their A game to beat them.  I give them #2 in the East with Miami not too far behind.  Miami's defense should improve and they have game breakers on offense.  New England will play similar to the Jets on offense battering defenses with big RB's Stephenson and Elliot.  Billy goat runs a good D. 

 

The Bills can go 4-2 in this division or 2-4. I do not see a 6-0 sweep this year. I hope for it, but it is far from a given.

 

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

I don't think that's the case. With a suspect OL, all they need Rodgers to do is be a smart game manager and make good throws when he has to.  Hall/Cook/Bam are the best RB combo in the NFL. We saw what Chubb/Hunt did in Cleveland with a horrid Baker. Plus the Jets have a superstar in Garret Wilson.  The Jets OL is not great in pass pro, but they are BIG and strong. They are going to push and jam it down your throat and when you stack the line to take that away, Rodgers has reliable hands in Cobb, Lazard who already know his tendencies. They will be a safety valve to keep the chains moving, while defenses try to double or move a safety over to account for Wilson. 

 

Rodgers won't make the bad passes that Zach Wilson did. He won't take the dumb sacks. He won't miss the open throws. That's all they need. They don't need a Josh to make superstar plays to bail them out.  They need a consistent, smart QB that eliminates mistakes and doesn't turn the ball over. 

 

With that strong defense, it allows the offense to play with control. Don't sleep on them.  The Jets have closed the gap and the Bills have to bring their A game to beat them.  I give them #2 in the East with Miami not too far behind.  Miami's defense should improve and they have game breakers on offense.  New England will play similar to the Jets on offense battering defenses with big RB's Stephenson and Elliot.  Billy goat runs a good D. 

 

The Bills can go 4-2 in this division or 2-4. I do not see a 6-0 sweep this year. I hope for it, but it is far from a given.

 

Very well thought out. Good post. 

26 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Of course it is, we're Bills fans **** the Jests. I believe old man Rodgers is going to get killed behind that line and Wilson will look awful when A-Aron goes down for a spell.

Being a Bills fan doesn't mean being irrational. I like to think most Bills fans are knowledge people. Most can analyze teams, players,and data in a rational manner. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

newcam up in here sharing his special brand of "rationality"

 

[Fleezoid]

The scene in NY if the Jets season goes south....

 

 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

That oline has the potential to be truly awful. I don't care how fast Rogers gets the ball out, if they are as bad as they look it will be a difficult season for him

[FilthyBeast]

I still don't get the Jets hype train, but this was a great signing and will go a long way in terms of keeping pressure off Rogers to be savior everyone is expecting him to be.

 

Bills need to be ready and come out strong on the MNF to slow down the hype in NY.

[ROCBillsBeliever]

17 hours ago, LVGrown said:

Remember when the AFC West was a blood bath last season ...

 

It was! The blood of one Nathaniel Hacker, hacking his team to bits... They should have called it The Great Denver Massacre of '23 😂

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Come on now. Pro bowlers by default. They are good but neither are elite.  The Bills oline has a lot to prove. 

So the Bills Cook and other Bills RBs hype is unwarranted based on your premise? 

The Bills oline has less question marks than the Jets that is what I was alluding too 

[GETTOTHE50]

12 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

How confident are you of either of those items?

 

‘I’ll see it when I believe it’

-The idiot in KC 

[Gregg]

Jets remove Hall from the PUP list.

 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

newcam up in here sharing his special brand of "rationality"

 

Thank you. I'm trying. 

[Sestak4ever]

I know one game does not make a season, but if we can take them out in the season opener it could really sour their expectations for the season, especially with the NY media.
 

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

I know one game does not make a season, but if we can take them out in the season opener it could really sour their expectations for the season, especially with the NY media.
 

 

Week 2 they play at Dallas. That won't be easy either. Send them to Texas 0-1 and the pressure to avoid an 0-2 start will be gigantic.

[BillsFan4]

I wonder if Breece Hall may not be ready as soon as they hoped? Or maybe they want a backup option in case he’s not back to pre-injury levels this season.

 

I also wonder if this signing has anything to do with keeping Aaron Rodgers happy and giving him another offensive weapon after he took that pay cut?

 

edit - the Jets just activated Hall off PUP. Sounds like this was more about giving Aaron Rodgers 2 good RBs, or at least according to the athletic.

 

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For the better part of Rodgers’ last six years in Green Bay, the Packers carried (at least) two starter-quality running backs, and split their carries evenly. For the last two years, that was Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. In 2020, it was Jones, Dillon and Jamaal Williams. And from 2017 to 2020, it was Jones and Williams.

 

The Jets fully believe Hall is a star. They like Michael Carter, Zonovan Knight and rookie Israel Abanikanda, too. But combine the latter three together as a package, and they still don’t quite equal what Cook can do. Even as his numbers have declined, Cook has been better (including in 2022) than any running backs the Jets have employed in a while. Hall’s ceiling is even higher. Together, if healthy, they’ll form one of the best one-two punches in the league.

 

“As a defensive coach, I’ll just sit there and say: Gosh, you have Breece and Michael and him, and you’ve got two of those guys in the backfield,” Saleh said. “There’s a lot of different things you can do to create a bunch of headaches for defensive coaches. (Cook)’s not a trick back, either: You can turn around and hand him the ball and he’ll run downhill. He’s done it for a long time.”

 

There’s also the obvious Rodgers part of the equation: He took a pay cut to save the Jets $35 million of what he was owed over the next two years to help them spend money elsewhere to improve the roster around him on their Super Bowl hunt. This, as much as any move the Jets made this offseason, felt like it had Rodgers’ desires in mind.

 

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If anyone thought Cook’s addition was a sign that Hall’s recovery from a torn ACL was slower than expected, the reality is actually the opposite. Hall is on track to return by Week 1, and Cook still needs some time for both personal reasons (he’s expecting a child) and health (coming off shoulder surgery).

https://theathletic.com/4779108/2023/08/15/jets-running-backs-dalvin-cook-breece-hall/

 

 

Edited August 16, 2023 by BillsFan4

[Goin Breakdown]

On 8/14/2023 at 7:03 PM, NewEra said:

Maybe he can play LT and RT too
 

one year deal worth up to 8.6M 🤣 

 

I wonder how much is guaranteed 

Wait. I thought he always wanted to play for Miami??  Just be honest and say " I always wanted to play for who paid me more". 

[nucci]

6 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Wait. I thought he always wanted to play for Miami??  Just be honest and say " I always wanted to play for who paid me more". 

as do most players

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

11 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The Bills technically have two pro bowlers on the oline in Morse and Dawkins so technically yes they are much better 

Tyrod was a pro bowler too, so technically we had no need to draft that Allen kid

Edited August 16, 2023 by AlCowlingsTaxiService

[ToGoGo]

3 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:

I know one game does not make a season, but if we can take them out in the season opener it could really sour their expectations for the season, especially with the NY media.
 

Lots of new faces for the Jets on week 1. They can easily be off their game and we could beat them easier than expected. 
 

I think they’ll be very strong as the season progresses. 

[balln]

Uncommon opponents 

 

buf plays bucs, jax and cincy 

 

jets play falcons , hou and Cleveland 

 

if jets win MNf. The margin of error to win division is so tight given they have 3 pretty much given wins while buf could be 1-2 maybe 2-1 

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

Lots of new faces for the Jets on week 1. They can easily be off their game and we could beat them easier than expected. 
 

I think they’ll be very strong as the season progresses. 

that's what camp and practice is for. It's going to be tough playing them on road. 

[Einstein]

9 hours ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

I don't think that's the case. With a suspect OL, all they need Rodgers to do is be a smart game manager and make good throws when he has to.  

 

You are echoing what I have been saying for months.

 

The Jets were 7-4 going into December last season. They were a QB away from being a playoff team.

 

They have fantastic RB’s, a very good young WR, a HOF quarterback, the best CB in the NFL (who also has the refs under his thumb, one of the best DT’s in the league, and good d-line depth.

 

They also beat us once last year (despite being handicapped with a very poor Zach Wilson at QB), and kept us to under 200 yards passing in both games (even the one where we won).

 

I think a lot of Bills fans are in denial about that Jets team and it will be a fight for the division until Week 17.

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Tyrod was a pro bowler too, so technically we had no need to draft that Allen kid

In your mind 

[klos63]

On 8/14/2023 at 9:23 PM, Beck Water said:

 

Scary is, as Scary does.  On paper, sure, they've become a very talented offense.  But as I've said before, football games are played on grass or turf, on Sunday

 

Hackett has had a top rushing offense twice in his career as an OC/HC: 2013 in Buffalo with FredEx and CJ Spiller; and 2017 in Jax with Leonard Fournette.

Green Bay had kind of a mediocre run game while he was there, and that was an improvement on their previous celler-dwelling lack of run game.

That's deep, man.

We actually play them on Monday.

Your first few comments are all cliches... they are good on the field too, that's where all these players have made their reputations.