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Irwin Dwyer

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I have been on this site for many years and cannot remember the last time I posted.  
 

I’ve been a Bills fan my whole life and the last few years have been among the most fun.

 

Josh Allen has been one of my favorite Bills of all time since the moment he was drafted.

 

Sadly I feel compelled to write and strongly fear that the other two sentences above will also soon come to an end as well.

 

I’ve read this board with great interest for a long time.  I think it is clear lately that even among the most ardent Bills supporters there is a growing concern about the team’s ability to have the ultimate success.  
 

Some of this concern is expressed based on the capabilities of the roster.  That has always been the case and I suspect is true among the fan bases of every team in every sport, even defending champions.  I’ll set that to the side.

 

I have seen lately much consternation about Sean McDermott.  This is somewhat new.  
 

I have also seen people surmising that Stefon Diggs is creating problems amongst his teammates and hampering our ability to be a solidified unit moving forward.

 

What I have not seen, but what is obvious to me, is that Josh Allen has changed and that this is the most likely cause for eroding team chemistry and fan’s nervousness even if unrealized.  
 

In the 1940’s, our World was a different place.  The last few generations have had it easy in relative terms.  Today’s greatest athletes are revered for their exploits on the field of play, but often step beyond their bounds once off of it.  They dabble in topics on which they have no expertise, they are in trouble with the law at times.  In short, they have an inflated opinion of themselves.  By contrast, a mere eighty years ago, men like Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, and Jackie Robinson risked their very lives so that future generations could thrive.  And how we have thrived.  While not perfect, these men and so many others less known than them, helped create the fields on which today’s athletes play.

 

By today’s standards, Josh Allen, is hardly a disruptive force or bad person of some sort.  Please do not mis-read what I am about to type because it causes me pain as a Bills fan. Far from needing to risk his life, Allen was quickly embraced by this fan base.  He gave his all on the field and we as fans recognized it.  We became attached.  He was the underdog who was working hard.  He was active in the community.  When his grandmother died, fans banded together and gave over a million dollars to Josh’s favorite charity, a children’s hospital.  A million dollars!  Josh has publicly stated on many occasions his desire to win a Lombardi trophy to Buffalo.

 

Have you heard Josh say anything about Buffalo lately?  About his desire to work hard and win?  Or have you seen him putting on weight, partying at high profile events, dating Hollywood personalities, and buying beach homes?  Josh is young.  It is a trait among youth to be self centered.  He is not a bad person because of these things.  He is simply unappreciative of those who came before him like Ted Williams, or those who gave their hard earned dollars on his behalf.  He has lost his way.  Might he find it again someday?  Certainly; but this is unlikely to happen soon.

 

Ask yourself the following.  Who has changed most in the past year?  McDermott?  Beane?  Diggs?  Or Allen?  The answer is obvious even if heart wrenching.

 

The Bills could receive many assets trading Allen.  I fear that will diminish as 2023 moves forward because these undesirable traits will likely impact on field performance and thus trade value.  The Los Angeles Rams seem like a logical destination, given their impending rebuild, propensity to trade high draft picks and Allen’s newfound glitz and glamour profile.  They will probably not be very good in 2023.  With Allen, their pick probably won’t end up being #1 but Beane has shown he can bundles assets for a lucrative return.  We could have our next QB as early as next year.
 

This is indeed the inexorable beginning of a sad chapter, but it can be one that does not have to be devastating in the long run.  
 

I am sorry to have written this, but I suppose that one of the purposes of a fan board is to share our sadness about the team.  My earnest hope is that I can return some day and share the joy of victory that I once thought would be with Allen, but now realize will have to be with someone else.

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What the hell was that? He talked all offseason about how much Buffalo means to him and he's only goal is the win the Super Bowl for the city. Who the ***** cares if he's slinging dick in the offseason?!?!?!?

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7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

What the hell was that? He talked all offseason about how much Buffalo means to him and he's only goal is the win the Super Bowl for the city. Who the ***** cares if he's slinging dick in the offseason?!?!?!?

 

Yeah, but he just bought a beach house too for $7M.  What, something within walking distance of the Big Tree isn't good enough for him.  Enough is enough.  

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Irwin Dwyer said:

I have been on this site for many years and cannot remember the last time I posted.  
 

I’ve been a Bills fan my whole life and the last few years have been among the most fun.

 

Josh Allen has been one of my favorite Bills of all time since the moment he was drafted.

 

Sadly I feel compelled to write and strongly fear that the other two sentences above will also soon come to an end as well.

 

I’ve read this board with great interest for a long time.  I think it is clear lately that even among the most ardent Bills supporters there is a growing concern about the team’s ability to have the ultimate success.  
 

Some of this concern is expressed based on the capabilities of the roster.  That has always been the case and I suspect is true among the fan bases of every team in every sport, even defending champions.  I’ll set that to the side.

 

I have seen lately much consternation about Sean McDermott.  This is somewhat new.  
 

I have also seen people surmising that Stefon Diggs is creating problems amongst his teammates and hampering our ability to be a solidified unit moving forward.

 

What I have not seen, but what is obvious to me, is that Josh Allen has changed and that this is the most likely cause for eroding team chemistry and fan’s nervousness even if unrealized.  
 

In the 1940’s, our World was a different place.  The last few generations have had it easy in relative terms.  Today’s greatest athletes are revered for their exploits on the field of play, but often step beyond their bounds once off of it.  They dabble in topics on which they have no expertise, they are in trouble with the law at times.  In short, they have an inflated opinion of themselves.  By contrast, a mere eighty years ago, men like Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, and Jackie Robinson risked their very lives so that future generations could thrive.  And how we have thrived.  While not perfect, these men and so many others less known than them, helped create the fields on which today’s athletes play.

 

By today’s standards, Josh Allen, is hardly a disruptive force or bad person of some sort.  Please do not mis-read what I am about to type because it causes me pain as a Bills fan. Far from needing to risk his life, Allen was quickly embraced by this fan base.  He gave his all on the field and we as fans recognized it.  We became attached.  He was the underdog who was working hard.  He was active in the community.  When his grandmother died, fans banded together and gave over a million dollars to Josh’s favorite charity, a children’s hospital.  A million dollars!  Josh has publicly stated on many occasions his desire to win a Lombardi trophy to Buffalo.

 

Have you heard Josh say anything about Buffalo lately?  About his desire to work hard and win?  Or have you seen him putting on weight, partying at high profile events, dating Hollywood personalities, and buying beach homes?  Josh is young.  It is a trait among youth to be self centered.  He is not a bad person because of these things.  He is simply unappreciative of those who came before him like Ted Williams, or those who gave their hard earned dollars on his behalf.  He has lost his way.  Might he find it again someday?  Certainly; but this is unlikely to happen soon.

 

Ask yourself the following.  Who has changed most in the past year?  McDermott?  Beane?  Diggs?  Or Allen?  The answer is obvious even if heart wrenching.

 

The Bills could receive many assets trading Allen.  I fear that will diminish as 2023 moves forward because these undesirable traits will likely impact on field performance and thus trade value.  The Los Angeles Rams seem like a logical destination, given their impending rebuild, propensity to trade high draft picks and Allen’s newfound glitz and glamour profile.  They will probably not be very good in 2023.  With Allen, their pick probably won’t end up being #1 but Beane has shown he can bundles assets for a lucrative return.  We could have our next QB as early as next year.
 

This is indeed the inexorable beginning of a sad chapter, but it can be one that does not have to be devastating in the long run.  
 

I am sorry to have written this, but I suppose that one of the purposes of a fan board is to share our sadness about the team.  My earnest hope is that I can return some day and share the joy of victory that I once thought would be with Allen, but now realize will have to be with someone else.

Maybe you missed the "Josh buys a beachhouse" thread. Seems to be on a pretty good path right now.

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Just now, The Red King said:

Talk to me again when Allen has an o-line that isn't tissue paper and can give him more then a second to process.

 

Need Davis to be better this year and/or Kincaid to be the real deal. Need another reliable weapon to go along with Allen and Diggs.

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13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If Josh is moving to the Rams he’d be an idiot for buying a home in Dana Point. It’s going to take him six hours just to drive to work on the 405 Freeway every day! 😂

Philip Rivers' old commute-in-style van is available!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/philip-rivers-to-make-hellish-l-a-commute-in-200000-luxury-office-on-wheels/

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Crazy take.

 

Josh is going to golf tournaments in the off-season so he's "partying too much."

 

Josh bought a beach house so he's somehow lost his competitive edge.

 

Josh is dating a female actor so he's unfocused and should be traded.

 

How many times did we hear about Josh getting in trouble with the law? Making an ass of himself drunk or high? Saying controversial statements about the direction of this team?

 

Go back to your blessed  1940s.

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16 minutes ago, Irwin Dwyer said:

I have been on this site for many years and cannot remember the last time I posted.  
 

I’ve been a Bills fan my whole life and the last few years have been among the most fun.

 

Josh Allen has been one of my favorite Bills of all time since the moment he was drafted.

 

Sadly I feel compelled to write and strongly fear that the other two sentences above will also soon come to an end as well.

 

I’ve read this board with great interest for a long time.  I think it is clear lately that even among the most ardent Bills supporters there is a growing concern about the team’s ability to have the ultimate success.  
 

Some of this concern is expressed based on the capabilities of the roster.  That has always been the case and I suspect is true among the fan bases of every team in every sport, even defending champions.  I’ll set that to the side.

 

I have seen lately much consternation about Sean McDermott.  This is somewhat new.  
 

I have also seen people surmising that Stefon Diggs is creating problems amongst his teammates and hampering our ability to be a solidified unit moving forward.

 

What I have not seen, but what is obvious to me, is that Josh Allen has changed and that this is the most likely cause for eroding team chemistry and fan’s nervousness even if unrealized.  
 

In the 1940’s, our World was a different place.  The last few generations have had it easy in relative terms.  Today’s greatest athletes are revered for their exploits on the field of play, but often step beyond their bounds once off of it.  They dabble in topics on which they have no expertise, they are in trouble with the law at times.  In short, they have an inflated opinion of themselves.  By contrast, a mere eighty years ago, men like Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, and Jackie Robinson risked their very lives so that future generations could thrive.  And how we have thrived.  While not perfect, these men and so many others less known than them, helped create the fields on which today’s athletes play.

 

By today’s standards, Josh Allen, is hardly a disruptive force or bad person of some sort.  Please do not mis-read what I am about to type because it causes me pain as a Bills fan. Far from needing to risk his life, Allen was quickly embraced by this fan base.  He gave his all on the field and we as fans recognized it.  We became attached.  He was the underdog who was working hard.  He was active in the community.  When his grandmother died, fans banded together and gave over a million dollars to Josh’s favorite charity, a children’s hospital.  A million dollars!  Josh has publicly stated on many occasions his desire to win a Lombardi trophy to Buffalo.

 

Have you heard Josh say anything about Buffalo lately?  About his desire to work hard and win?  Or have you seen him putting on weight, partying at high profile events, dating Hollywood personalities, and buying beach homes?  Josh is young.  It is a trait among youth to be self centered.  He is not a bad person because of these things.  He is simply unappreciative of those who came before him like Ted Williams, or those who gave their hard earned dollars on his behalf.  He has lost his way.  Might he find it again someday?  Certainly; but this is unlikely to happen soon.

 

Ask yourself the following.  Who has changed most in the past year?  McDermott?  Beane?  Diggs?  Or Allen?  The answer is obvious even if heart wrenching.

 

The Bills could receive many assets trading Allen.  I fear that will diminish as 2023 moves forward because these undesirable traits will likely impact on field performance and thus trade value.  The Los Angeles Rams seem like a logical destination, given their impending rebuild, propensity to trade high draft picks and Allen’s newfound glitz and glamour profile.  They will probably not be very good in 2023.  With Allen, their pick probably won’t end up being #1 but Beane has shown he can bundles assets for a lucrative return.  We could have our next QB as early as next year.
 

This is indeed the inexorable beginning of a sad chapter, but it can be one that does not have to be devastating in the long run.  
 

I am sorry to have written this, but I suppose that one of the purposes of a fan board is to share our sadness about the team.  My earnest hope is that I can return some day and share the joy of victory that I once thought would be with Allen, but now realize will have to be with someone else.

I think your thinking is seriously skewed. What caused your brain to be filled with such nonsense? Your use of fatalistic language reads as drama filled teenage angst to me.  Borrow trouble much? This is a sad sad tale you are posting here mate

 

either that or this it's a total mind **** parody job. If you are indeed serious man Chin UP for crying out loud. wow

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28 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

We are screwd 

Doomed I say, doomed…, 

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Allen has talked extensively this offseason about how motivated he is and dialed in to win.

 

I haven't seen anything amiss with him, personally. So, he is spending some of the insane wealth that he has earned? Is that the problem?

 

There is a lot of speculation about his personal life floating around. A lot of it is just speculation.

 

And I'll tell you what, those sports figures from the past did all this same stuff. There wasn't social media, or cameras everywhere, or such scrutiny into their personal lives. We didn't hear about their personal lives except what they wanted to tell us, or hushed, local rumors.

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25 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

I admit, this was an interesting read. Up until the point where you throw out the idea of the Bills trading Allen. Our franchise QB!   Under no circumstances do you trade Allen.  NO CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!

I felt the same. What are you thinking! Was his favorite period in Bills history the 17 year drought. We can go back to trading away all our talent for garbage picks while they go to the Super Bowl.

 

Josh Allen is in the top 3 of QBs in the NFL and when he is on his A game, he is #1. I feel the only step Josh Allen needs to take to bring the Bills all the way to win the Lombardi (besides not getting injured) is trust his check downs. If he does that, he is unstoppable.

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36 minutes ago, Irwin Dwyer said:

 I am sorry to have written this, but I suppose that one of the purposes of a fan board is to share our sadness about the team.  My earnest hope is that I can return some day and share the joy of victory that I once thought would be with Allen, but now realize will have to be with someone else.

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To the OP: You, like I, are definitely "Old School", and you make some good points. This coming year, and maybe for the year after that, we shall see what JA17 does on the field. The latter will determine whether you are right, or just excessively worried about these young, rich athletes, who have it so much easier than most people in the world.

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