Ed Oliver big extension

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

The only real problem isn't that Oliver is a bad player, he's not.

It's that there's a real possibility that he's going to spend a large chunk of his career regularly fighting injuries that hamper his speed and strength. 

That is my only worry. But the only injury he has had so far is an ankle yes? 

[Fetou]

Why not just allocate that towards keeping Edmunds if you are inclined to overvalue your own picks? I'm hoping that aren't too many more bad long term deals that will hamper the next GM into the future 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Prime....if Ed balls out and leads us toward a championship with the "learning curve" issues, I will be the first one to personally apologize to you. I just see Dareus 2.0 in this whole extension.  And we all remember how that worked out.  Ed shows me nothing that screams 10M/yr, let alone a whopping 17 large. And I think you're extremely underestimating Sean's "Belichick-like" abilities to micro manage.  

This is 100% fair. Like i said. we are right a third of the time and wrong the rest lol. Your track record for being right is a little higher but seriously. only time will tell. I guess my point is? No point getting overly wrapped up over this in the now~ understand? 

[BarleyNY]

28 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

sounds like its actually 15.75 million making him the 16th highest paid interior defensive lineman.  Are there 15 better 3 technique Defensive tackles in the league?

 

The bills have no dt signed for next year except Oliver.  Its unreasonable to think you would be able to sign 2 or 3 above average DT's who are free agents and draft 2 more in one offseason.  Its going to be hard enough with oliver still here.

 

also it sounds like he may have an opt out after the 3rd year which is an incentive for the player and maybe why he signed the extension right now.

 

The extension is 4 years, $68 million as his 5th year option in 2023 was already fully guaranteed. People are going to want to put this in the best possible light, but it is what it is. Judging by guarantees, yes, it’s likely that the earliest out is after 2025. 

 

Also the contract comparisons are for all DTs, not just 3Ts. 

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

What’s the cap savings this year?  Not sure it’s DHop money, but gives us sone breathing room.
 

We are definitely up against the cap and I believe Beane likes ability for moves during the season.  Need cap space for injury replacements and such.

We don’t know yet… they don’t need much space for D Hop as they can backload the crap out of it like Von’s contract that cost them like $5m last year on the cap

[BuffBillsForLife]

Horrific

[Simon]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

That is my only worry. But the only injury he has had so far is an ankle yes? 

 

No, he's had a pec injury, has had to wear a knee brace and has had "core muscle" surgery in the offseason previously.

And those ankle injuries are chronic for him; they've popped up I think every single year he's been in the league.

It's a problem because a) at his size he has to work so hard that it makes him more prone to injury and b) when he does get injured it's more detrimental to an undersized guy who relies so much on effort.

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

We don’t know yet… they don’t need much space for D Hop as they can backload the crap out of it like Von’s contract that cost them like $5m last year on the cap

Assuming they want to sign him for multiple years.  Next year they are already -14m against the cap.

 

This could free up this year for a one year deal with an option for more.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

No, he's had a pec injury, has had to wear a knee brace and has had "core muscle" surgery in the offseason previously.

And those ankle injuries are chronic for him; they've popped up I think every single year he's been in the league.

It's a problem because a) at his size he has to work so hard that it makes him more prone to injury and b) when he does get injured it's more detrimental to an undersized guy who relies so much on effort.

 

When healthy, do you believe he is a top 10 interior d-linemen?

[GETTOTHE50]

13 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

isn't the bigger question "how do you replace him" going forward.  Having no DT's signed for next year, especially the under tackle would be a huge problem.

 

Which other 3T would be available to step right in and play his snaps?  How much would he cost in free agency compared to oliver?  What is available in the draft next year etc.  

 

Extending him fills one spot and allows the organization to at least have him going forward who they can rely on.  There will be enough gators in the swamp as it is on defense next year.

thats a next year problem.

 

and i wouldnt mind seeing a rookie fill that spot. it would at the very least, give us a new whipping boy.

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

No, he's had a pec injury, has had to wear a knee brace and has had "core muscle" surgery in the offseason previously.

And those ankle injuries are chronic for him; they've popped up I think every single year he's been in the league.

It's a problem because a) at his size he has to work so hard that it makes him more prone to injury and b) when he does get injured it's more detrimental to an undersized guy who relies so much on effort.

your right.. i guess i was thinking of someone else.. I looked up his injury history? Damn...

[Success]

Oliver is a better player than some give him credit for.  He's had some outstanding games for us.  Consistency is more of the issue - but the talent and upside are there.

 

[Simon]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

When healthy, do you believe he is a top 10 interior d-linemen?

 

I don't watch film of 50 other NFL DLinemen and neither do you.

My guess would be that he's somewhere in that neighborhood.

 

 

[JerseyBills]

31 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Finally a move worthy of our standard knee-jerk overreactions. 
 

This one is absolutely bizarre, Beane. I literally can’t figure out how this makes sense. Ed ***** Oliver is now a top 10 paid DT in the NFL??? For what ***** reason? I can count on two fingers how many truly impactful/game-changer Sundays he had - and I’d be left with one lonely finger. 

He's in the 11-16 range. Once Q Williams and a cpl other dts get paid , he'll be alot lower. 

For the most part Beane has hit on his contracts and timing of them. If Ed lives up to his potential,  Beane just saved 5 mil a year. If not, im sure they'll have an out in 3 years or so. Ed would start on any nfl team, the #s look big, im surprised but I trust this F.O

[Airseven]

Beane and McDermott have peaked with the Bills. This is the type of desperate move you see on the backend of a regime. It justifies their past moves as opposed to maximizing them.

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ha. I have been at a comedy gig. But I have been telling people since January and certainly since they didn't trade him before FA that the most likely outcome was an extension. 

 

You are still at a comedy show, of sorts. Soak it in and have a good belly laugh.  

[Awwufelloff]

Beane ain’t him

Edited June 3, 2023 by Awwufelloff

[LABILLBACKER]

10 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

This is 100% fair. Like i said. we are right a third of the time and wrong the rest lol. Your track record for being right is a little higher but seriously. only time will tell. I guess my point is? No point getting overly wrapped up over this in the now~ understand? 

So basically we're both hitting. 333.  Cool

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Assuming they want to sign him for multiple years.  Next year they are already -14m against the cap.

 

This could free up this year for a one year deal with an option for more.

He won’t be at the Bills on a 1 year deal.. they would need to spread it out like Vons deal

[Forward Progress]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

Just for the record, I was wrong on Edmunds, and I was wrong on Oliver. So for future reference just take the opposite of what I say and you'll know what's going to happen. 

 

Are you also the poster formally known as "Wrong Josh?"

[zevo]

1 minute ago, Airseven said:

Beane and McDermott have peaked with the Bills. This is the type of desperate move you see on the backend of a regime. It justifies their past moves as opposed to maximizing them.

Oh boy

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

So basically we're both hitting. 333.  Cool

lol! all in good humor man. hope you realize that.. I been trying to keep it "lite" lately lol

[RichRiderBills]

I don't get this. 

 

Huge mistake. Frankly the 5th year option was a small error. Guy needs a fire under his ass. Would have considered giving him $ if he had a big year....but not a second prior. 

 

Honestly I thought Daquan Jones deserved this money. 

[Simon]

Fun fact:

Last year there were only 5 DTs in the NFL that had more Tackles for Loss per game than Ed Oliver.

But please keep telling us how awful he is and that you never see him make any plays.

It's funny because it just shows how little you actually see. 

[PrimeTime101]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

When healthy, do you believe he is a top 10 interior d-linemen?

this is so hard. #1 I think you have to talk top 15 not top 10 seeing he is being paid a top 15. #2 its so hard to tell when a player is still struggling with an injury. 

[Maynard]

I’m very shocked. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

this is so hard. #1 I think you have to talk top 15 not top 10 seeing he is being paid a top 15. #2 its so hard to tell when a player is still struggling with an injury. 

 

Like the QB market, he is also “the most recent”. That matters. In that regard I think it’s a fair deal for all. 

[MikePJ76]

10 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

thats a next year problem.

 

and i wouldnt mind seeing a rookie fill that spot. it would at the very least, give us a new whipping boy.

They can still draft a DT next year.  This contract doesn't stop anything from happening at the DT position.

[Taro Nimbus]

I was told he is awful!!!!   Considering players, coaches and experts around the league speak highly of Oliver,  I guess most of this fanbase know more than them.  🙄

[MikePJ76]

20 minutes ago, Fetou said:

Why not just allocate that towards keeping Edmunds if you are inclined to overvalue your own picks? I'm hoping that aren't too many more bad long term deals that will hamper the next GM into the future 

Because of the position.  The under tackle is the more important position in the defense and the more expensive one in free agency.

[BufBills83]

8 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Beane and McDermott have peaked with the Bills. This is the type of desperate move you see on the backend of a regime. It justifies their past moves as opposed to maximizing them.

I hate overly dramatic, unjust criticism that in no way, shape or form can you even explain at this point in time.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

42 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

I'm not mad

It's not you.  It's us.

😁

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, BufBills83 said:

I hate overly dramatic, unjust criticism that in no way, shape or form can you even explain at this point in time.

 

Best to just ignore this one, then. I try not to feed the trolls. 

[FLFan]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

Fun fact:

Last year there were only 5 DTs in the NFL that had more Tackles for Loss per game than Ed Oliver.

But please keep telling us how awful he is and that you never see him make any plays.

It's funny because it just shows how little you actually see. 

As soon as I saw this come across the wire I knew the cats would be screaming here.  This is not a surprise to anyone paying attention.  This contract makes Oliver the 16th highest paid DT in the league over the life of the contract, for production that is much better than that as you point out.  The Bills chose this course rather than opening up a huge hole in the middle of their defense.  How shocking. Oliver is not Donald which it seems most Bills fans cannot forgive him or Beane for, but he is one of the top players at his position in the NFL, with upside.  

[BullBuchanan]

What an absolutely horrific contract. It should be inarguable that Oliver has been a disappointment during his first four years here, never eclipsing a level beyond "flashes potential" at any point. He's put up 14.5 sacks over 4 years, with 2.5 and 34 tackles in 2022 and he gets rewarded with a 17m a year contract. They could have signed Suh for 1/3 of that contract and he would have been an instant upgrade.

As much as I can't stand Edmunds, if Beane was going to waste the money this way he should have just re-signed him. Are we going to see a $15M deal for Gabe Davis next? What the ***** is Beane doing?

Just now, FLFan said:

As soon as I saw this come across the wire I knew the cats would be screaming here.  This is not a surprise to anyone paying attention.  This contract makes Oliver the 16th highest paid DT in the league over the life of the contract, for production that is much better than that as you point out.  The Bills chose this course rather than opening up a huge hole in the middle of their defense.  How shocking. Oliver is not Donald which it seems most Bills fans cannot forgive him or Beane for, but he is one of the top players at his position in the NFL, with upside.  

Can you back this up with even 1 stat? I'm not sure he's top 20.

[transplantbillsfan]

Are people nuts? Good deal for Buffalo. This contract doesn't even make Oliver top 10 AAV in terms of all DTs in the NFL.

 

Basically, he got the contract for a slightly above average NFL DT. And that's about what he is with the potential to be better moving forward hopefully looking back on injuries as the excuse for 2022.

 

And I'm sure very quickly other DTs will sign more lucrative deals making this look even better.

 

Love the deal. Now extend Jones for another year or 2 and maybe Ford in season if he's playing as well as we hope.

 

Anyone know yet how much CAP space this clears for this year? Extending Jones could clear more.

[FLFan]

5 minutes ago, BufBills83 said:

I hate overly dramatic, unjust criticism that in no way, shape or form can you even explain at this point in time.

You should just ignore trolls like this.  He has yet to post anything that deserves a response.  

[Success]

It's important to note that if anyone who posts on this board was GM, we'd still be deep into the drought.

 

No offense to anyone, of course.

 

[Steptide]

2 hours ago, zevo said:

Gotta think he is a major piece in mcd defense 

Gotta be this. Wonder if McDermott thought raiser wasn't using him properly 

[BullBuchanan]

36 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

isn't the bigger question "how do you replace him" going forward.  Having no DT's signed for next year, especially the under tackle would be a huge problem.

 

Which other 3T would be available to step right in and play his snaps?  How much would he cost in free agency compared to oliver?  What is available in the draft next year etc.  

 

Extending him fills one spot and allows the organization to at least have him going forward who they can rely on.  There will be enough gators in the swamp as it is on defense next year.

blowing 7.5% of your cap on a chronic under-achiever just so you don't have to replace him is a complete loser mentality.