DO NOT DRAFT!

[OldTimer1960]

Seconding Dawand Jones - lacks quickness and weight concerns (would not even weigh in at pro day).

 

Seconding Boutte - lack of production after big first year, less than stellar athletic testing and rumored to not have best attitude and work-ethic ( I know rumors aren’t fair and we don’t have any way to know).

 

Add Jaelan Duncan before late round 3 - really disappointed in lack of aggressiveness I saw when watching him block - hard to fix that in spite of his athleticism.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

The guys that are true "do not draft" guys are rubbish late round possibles that I don't think can play.

 

The biggest consensus day 1 or 2 name that I would not draft in the first 3 rounds is Dawand Jones. 

 

If he slipped to round 4, sure I'd take a chance on the size. But he will go at latest round 3 and I wouldn't take him.

 

 

I’m more worried about the OT from Oklahoma, seems he needs another year to be ready.  I think Jones may fit here due to his athletic ability that goes well with a running/mobile QB.  Not my top OT choice and may prefer a G/C like Avila over him.  

 

 

[NeverOutNick]

48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they are picking OL in the first two rounds either. 

 

I do, however, think they will pick a receiver. When the Bills have so many guys at a position in for pre-draft meetings they generally draft that position early. Not saying I know who, but I expect one of our first two picks to be receiver and the other to be a defensive player.

I hope they go OL early. We spend too much time developing later round o lineman that most of the time don’t pan out. Dawkins is getting older and more expensive, Morse I’m sure is retiring soon and Brown is a huge question mark. Protecting Josh is priority one imo and even if Brown turns out to be amazing I’d still be happy we took an O lineman early for depth and for the future. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’m more worried about the OT from Oklahoma, seems he needs another year to be ready.  I think Jones may fit here due to his athletic ability that goes well with a running/mobile QB.  Not my top OT choice and may prefer a G/C like Avila over him.  

 

 

Harrison might need a year before you see the best of him but he has some real technique. Jones is just big. Doesn't understand where his hands are or his fert are. That type almost never translates.

[McBean]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Defense is not irrelevant.  That’s just stupid.
 

we scored 10 points vs Cinci-  was their D irrelevant?

 

the chiefs held the jags and Cinci to 20 points in the playoffs.  
 

Defense matters-  but having stars at every defensive position isn’t necessary to have a great D.  A great scheme and play calling can make up for some lack of star power.  
 

I pray we draft O with our first pick along with either our 2nd or 3rd pick. 
 

but saying defense is irrelevant is just about the most ignorant thing I’ve read in awhile.  And that’s saying a lot for as much as I read this board. 
 

SB losers scored:

2019- 3

2020- 20

2021- 9

2022- 20

 

 

Irrelevant in the sense we should be striving to hold teams under 20 ppg.

 

I should’ve said, If it came down to taking a player with the goal of bettering defense or improving offense, you go offense right now with this team.

 

Line stinks, one weapon in Diggs, and everybody else is just a guy.

 

Trade up for JSN or take Addison if he falls. If neither are available, get a big person to play RT because Spencer brown sure as heck can’t.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I hope they go OL early. We spend too much time developing later round o lineman that most of the time don’t pan out. Dawkins is getting older and more expensive, Morse I’m sure is retiring soon and Brown is a huge question mark. Protecting Josh is priority one imo and even if Brown turns out to be amazing I’d still be happy we took an O lineman early for depth and for the future. 

 

I do too. But I don't think they are.

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said:

Honestly if I don’t see an O linemen in the first 2 rounds drafted I’ll be pretty pissed. Other than that I’ll have a cooler head depending on the player lol

 

It is unusual to take IOL in first two rounds. However, I could see the Bills go with WR in 1st and IOL in second given the need and the fact the Bills choose late in rounds.  Who knows, the team will always proclaim they had a “great draft.”

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

Considering how weak this class is, you almost have to trade down into the 2nd. Use your 2nd and 3rd round picks on MLB, OT, WR, DT.

[Simon Says]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Something about Jordan Addison doesn’t feel right. With that slender frame, I think he’s gonna get pushed around at the NFL level and be a 3rd WR at best.

Webster Slaughter ,Davonte Smith ,Dede Westbrook, DeSean Jackson, and many more skinny WRs did okay in the NFL.

Edited April 14, 2023 by Herb Nightly

[OldTimer1960]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

It is unusual to take IOL in first two rounds. However, I could see the Bills go with WR in 1st and IOL in second given the need and the fact the Bills choose late in rounds.  Who knows, the team will always proclaim they had a “great draft.”

 

 

Mostly true in round 1, IOL are not uncommon in round 2.

[947]

Any of the midget WRs who are primarily slot guys being projected in the 20s-30s. If one slides to the 3rd, sure. But we don't need another midget badly enough to draft one early.

[gonzo1105]

O'Cyrus Torrence

Any of the LB's at 27

Luke Musgrave

Brian Branch (not because the player is bad but because I don't think he is that much better than the guys you can get in round 2-4)

[NeverOutNick]

8 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

Webster Slaughter ,Davonte Smith ,Dede Westbrook, DeSean Jackson, and many more skinny WRs did okay in the NFL.

Man if you could guarantee Addison would be Devonte Smith I’d be all in but Smith is a different breed 

13 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

It is unusual to take IOL in first two rounds. However, I could see the Bills go with WR in 1st and IOL in second given the need and the fact the Bills choose late in rounds.  Who knows, the team will always proclaim they had a “great draft.”

 

 

My ideal draft would be if Wright fell to 27, everyone in the league got scare or Flowers arm length and we get him round 2 and then in round 3 one of the top 3 LBers everyone loved falls to us. But that’s just me in fantasy land lol

[NickelCity]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Get ready to be pissed.  I think Beane feels he’s already fortified the O-line in FA and they like Spencer Brown at RT.  I am steeling myself for MLB and DT/Edge with the first two picks, not necessarily in that order.

 

Yep, that'd piss me off alright. 

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Statistically we should expect WR to be the first pick and not much focus on LB or OL.

 

I would also just about guarantee we will draft a TE at some point considering we've been connected to so many TE prospects.

Small sample size.  But WR would be exciting, means the FO has identified a fit.  And while not much focus on LB it seems a glaring need.

 

To the OP, my DO NOT DRAFT is B Robinson.  No RB in the first for me please.  Maybe round 4 that R Johnson.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Anyone that some Southern drawling, tobacco juice drooling rube deems a 'bell cow'. 
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Edited April 14, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[SCBills]

I don’t think I could stomach LB at 27.  
 

And if we don’t take a LB at 27, there’s probably only about a 25% chance someone who isn’t a JAG in the mix with Bernard/Dodson/Spector is available at 59.  
 

So, I’m pretty much leaning towards DO NOT DRAFT A LB.

 

[Dr. Who]

15 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Anyone that some Southern drawling, tobacco juice drooling rube deems a 'bell cow'. 
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🤨

I'd answer you with proper vigor, but I'm rather busy looking for a spittoon to eradicate some chaw just now.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

The “do not draft” lists are worthless ever since the 2018 draft.

 

that said, I’m still basically anti-running back in the first round no matter what.
 

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I could, of course be wrong, but I hope they don’t draft:

- Quentin Johnston - concerned about hands

- Bijon Robinson/Jahmyr Gibbs - RB too dependent on OL and won’t commit to running enough to justify.

- Brian Branch - most his experience is at sot corner, might be great S, but lesser priority position.

I remember watching some of his videos and going back and trying to find a ball that he didn't let into his body. It took a long time to find one. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I remember watching some of his videos and going back and trying to find a ball that he didn't let into his body. It took a long time to find one. 

 

Yep. Plays smaller than his size because he catches basically nothing above the rim. When you add that into the fact he also drops his share..... hmm. I see the potential but the flaws are real. 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

My unpopular opinion - Darnell Wright. It's nothing against the player. I just don't want to draft a RT only in the 1st round. Then we have a possible scenario where Spencer Brown takes a big step in his development and we either have our 1st rounder on the bench or two good players at the same position. Maybe Wright will be a great player but I'll take the risk of missing on a RT.

 

Didn't Wright play Guard too?

[MJS]

3 hours ago, dorquemada said:

any player that has 'undersized' or 'high motor' in their profile

 

If they're going to pick someone that's going to piss us all off (DL, CB, scat back) then they better be an absolute sure fire prospect and not a project

 

in fact, no projects.  day 1 starters only, at least in first 3 rounds

Wow. You want 3 day one starters? It's pretty unlikely we would have 3 rookies starting day one.

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Wow. You want 3 day one starters? It's pretty unlikely we would have 3 rookies starting day one.

We haven’t had that since Doug Whaley’s famous “ 3 starters off the bus “ draft in 2016.. Shaq Lawson, Reggie Ragland and  Adolphous Washington…

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/11/doug-whaley-believes-bills-drafted-at-least-three-day-one-starters/

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I remember watching some of his videos and going back and trying to find a ball that he didn't let into his body. It took a long time to find one. 

 

Well he isn't going to be a contested catch specialist in the NFL. But that's fine. Contested catch ability is overrated anyways in the pros. He projects as a vertical separation + YAC specialist. Those are much more important traits IMO. I would compare him to Christian Watson from last year's draft, but stronger and harder to bring down in the open field even if you manage to catch up to him. And unlike Watson he produced big time against top college teams, namely Michigan in the playoff semifinals.

 

After weeks of reading up and watching film on draft prospects, I've come to the conclusion that my preferred 1st round outcome for the Bills is Quentin Johnston drops far enough that we can use our 3rd round pick to trade up to draft him. No way a player with elite physical traits that fills a need and plays a premium position is going to drop to us at 27. It's a weak draft anyways so I want us to take that swing. The bust factor with Johnston is real, I just think his high football character and physical traits makes it unlikely.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

My unpopular opinion - Darnell Wright. It's nothing against the player. I just don't want to draft a RT only in the 1st round. Then we have a possible scenario where Spencer Brown takes a big step in his development and we either have our 1st rounder on the bench or two good players at the same position. Maybe Wright will be a great player but I'll take the risk of missing on a RT.

There would be an opportunity to trade said player for picks or another player in a position of need…,  but I get you are saying, 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

We haven’t had that since Doug Whaley’s famous “ 3 starters off the bus “ draft in 2016.. Shaq Lawson, Reggie Ragland and  Adolphous Washington…

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/11/doug-whaley-believes-bills-drafted-at-least-three-day-one-starters/

I wouldn't expect 3 rookies starting for a 13-3 team unless something drastic happened.

 

It's possible, I suppose. If you got Campbell at MLB, a WR #2, and a RT. But I seriously doubt a WR or RT will come in and start day 1 unless they are 1st rounders, and we aren't getting 3 players good enough at those positions to start day one over what we already have.

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

I wouldn't expect 3 rookies starting for a 13-3 team unless something drastic happened.

 

It's possible, I suppose. If you got Campbell at MLB, a WR #2, and a RT. But I seriously doubt a WR or RT will come in and start day 1 unless they are 1st rounders, and we aren't getting 3 players good enough at those positions to start day one over what we already have.

Yes .. I agree that it is unlikely to happen and didn’t even happen in 2016 either despite Doug’s prediction…

 

I want them to have a mindset though of picking guys in those early rounds that can contribute in 2023 ( if not Day 1) to help them win a Championship …

 

No more Bernard’s in the third round …

 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

The “do not draft” lists are worthless ever since the 2018 draft.

 

that said, I’m still basically anti-running back in the first round no matter what.
 

I might get flamed for this, but in a draft with so few impact players (especially irt WRs), I wouldn't be mad at drafting Robinson who (someone smart correct me if I'm wrong) does look like he'd be an impact player. In fact, I wouldn't be mad if we traded up to get him, because frankly, I would be mad in the Patriots* got him. Seems like he'd be a pretty good fit in NE*.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said:

I might get flamed for this, but in a draft with so few impact players (especially irt WRs), I wouldn't be mad at drafting Robinson who (someone smart correct me if I'm wrong) does look like he'd be an impact player. In fact, I wouldn't be mad if we traded up to get him, because frankly, I would be mad in the Patriots* got him. Seems like he'd be a pretty good fit in NE*.

I don't think you should go into the draft fixated on what your opponents are doing and trying to prevent them from getting certain players. You have to be focused on what makes your own team better.

 

Let the Patriots worry about what WE are doing to improve. They are the ones who should be worried.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Something about Jordan Addison doesn’t feel right. With that slender frame, I think he’s gonna get pushed around at the NFL level and be a 3rd WR at best.

Yeah that times speed at 4.49 and 4.55 was slower than expected. 

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

My unpopular opinion - Darnell Wright. It's nothing against the player. I just don't want to draft a RT only in the 1st round. Then we have a possible scenario where Spencer Brown takes a big step in his development and we either have our 1st rounder on the bench or two good players at the same position. Maybe Wright will be a great player but I'll take the risk of missing on a RT.

The flip side of course is that Brown doesn’t improve… 

 

He was terrible last year.. if that continues then I could see that being  something that could derail a season…

 

They kept expecting Ford to take a big step forward which never happened..

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

He was terrible last year.. if that continues then I could see that being  something that could derail a season…

 

The Chiefs had an elite OL with Andrew Wylie as the weak link at RT. Even worst case scenario if Spencer Brown doesn't progress at all, it's an easy position to work around. I still want us to draft OL once or twice at some point, RT just isn't my preference in the 1st round.

[Aussie Joe]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Chiefs had an elite OL with Andrew Wylie as the weak link at RT. Even worst case scenario if Spencer Brown doesn't progress at all, it's an easy position to work around. I still want us to draft OL once or twice at some point, RT just isn't my preference in the 1st round.

Wylie may have been their least player on the OL but he was much better than Brown last year… I see he is making $8m a year now …

 

[Prospector]

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I'd answer you with proper vigor, but I'm rather busy looking for a spittoon to eradicate some chaw just now.

I believe you mean 'expectorate'

[Dr. Who]

14 minutes ago, Prospector said:

I believe you mean 'expectorate'

Yes, that is the apt verb, but I'm going to stick with eradicate as an acceptable alternative for get rid of. Yours is more correct, but somehow I find it less funny.

[Prospector]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yes, that is the apt verb, but I'm going to stick with eradicate as an acceptable alternative for get rid of. Yours is more correct, but somehow I find it less funny.

well Gaston from Beauty and Beast is especially good at it, and he's my role model

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

I don't think you should go into the draft fixated on what your opponents are doing and trying to prevent them from getting certain players. You have to be focused on what makes your own team better.

 

Let the Patriots worry about what WE are doing to improve. They are the ones who should be worried.

Oh of course. I wasn’t suggesting that as a draft strategy— just my own feelings. 
 

As far as draft strategy in regards to a running back is concerned, I do think that drafting a RB in the first becomes more forgivable when the quality of the skill positions offered in the draft is lower, assuming the RB in question is an impact player. 

[BigAl2526]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The guys that are true "do not draft" guys are rubbish late round possibles that I don't think can play.

 

The biggest consensus day 1 or 2 name that I would not draft in the first 3 rounds is Dawand Jones. 

 

If he slipped to round 4, sure I'd take a chance on the size. But he will go at latest round 3 and I wouldn't take him.

 

I assume he means do not draft at #27.  Jordan Addison is my guy.  I think his size limits him to slot and despite being small, he's got pretty much average timed speed.  If I'm going to draft someone in round one, I'm hoping I can find a guy who is a bit closer to being elite at something besides his route running.  Route running is something that receivers picked lower can develop.  Josh Downs is in that category too, but he has slipped out of the first round in the thinking of most.  Zay Flowers is small, but at least he runs pretty fast.  I can live with that.

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

I assume he means do not draft at #27.  Jordan Addison is my guy.  I think his size limits him to slot and despite being small, he's got pretty much average timed speed.  If I'm going to draft someone in round one, I'm hoping I can find a guy who is a bit closer to being elite at something besides his route running.  Route running is something that receivers picked lower can develop.  Josh Downs is in that category too, but he has slipped out of the first round in the thinking of most.  Zay Flowers is small, but at least he runs pretty fast.  I can live with that.

 

Whereas I place route running #1 and hands #2 at receiver. They are the most translateable attributes.