DO NOT DRAFT!

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they are picking OL in the first two rounds either. 

 

I do, however, think they will pick a receiver. When the Bills have so many guys at a position in for pre-draft meetings they generally draft that position early. Not saying I know who, but I expect one of our first two picks to be receiver and the other to be a defensive player.

 

I will add in Bijan Robinson to that list if he was to fall to us at 27.  I could even seem them possibly making a small trade up to get ahead of say Dallas to get him if he got close enough to us.  They have shown and established interest in him as well.  It also depends on which WR's they covet and if any of them are on the board too.  That being said, I don't think Bijan will reach us and I do think WR is the most plausible pick.  

 

I just feel like first round is going to end up being some sort of offensive playmaker either at 27 or a small to reasonable trade up to get either the WR they want or maybe Bijan.  

 

I won't totally rule out OL though, I mean if the top playmakers they wanted were gone and the BPA was someone on the OL, I think Beane would take the OL guy and stay true to his board rather than reach elsewhere.   

[ScorpionZero]

DND, Van Ness. All they'd have to do is ask Epenesa to add some weight. If you watch the film there's really no difference between the two in Epenesa draft year.

Edited April 14, 2023 by ScorpionZero

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I will add in Bijan Robinson to that list if he was to fall to us at 27.  I could even seem them possibly making a small trade up to get ahead of say Dallas to get him if he got close enough to us.  They have shown and established interest in him as well.  It also depends on which WR's they covet and if any of them are on the board too.  That being said, I don't think Bijan will reach us and I do think WR is the most plausible pick.  

 

I just feel like first round is going to end up being some sort of offensive playmaker either at 27 or a small to reasonable trade up to get either the WR they want or maybe Bijan.  

 

I won't totally rule out OL though, I mean if the top playmakers they wanted were gone and the BPA was someone on the OL, I think Beane would take the OL guy and stay true to his board rather than reach elsewhere.   

 

At this stage I'd be shocked if the Bills stay at #27 and draft an OL in that spot. 

 

I think the first two picks will be a receiver and a defensive player in some order. But if they traded back maybe all bets are off.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Yes, that is the apt verb, but I'm going to stick with eradicate as an acceptable alternative for get rid of. Yours is more correct, but somehow I find it less funny.

Hawwwwk!  Ptoey!  Ding!

[Chaos]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

At this stage I'd be shocked if the Bills stay at #27 and draft an OL in that spot. 

 

I think the first two picks will be a receiver and a defensive player in some order. But if they traded back maybe all bets are off.

It seems like the Bills realistic choice for the outcome of this draft is one or zero starters for 2023.  Trading back may increase the liklihood of it being zero.  If there is someone they believe is a three down starter at 27 for 2023, just pick him. Any position is fine. 

[Chaos]

@GunnerBill real question.  With his current contract does Dawson Knox have any trade value?  The reason I ask, is that if Kincaid or Meyer fall to 27, there may be a real chance to clear quite a bit of cap space, and maintain current production levels with the rookies.  I like Knox, but this is a brutal business, and he is a highly paid player at position wer are not getting great production out of of. 

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

@GunnerBill real question.  With his current contract does Dawson Knox have any trade value?  The reason I ask, is that if Kincaid or Meyer fall to 27, there may be a real chance to clear quite a bit of cap space, and maintain current production levels with the rookies.  I like Knox, but this is a brutal business, and he is a highly paid player at position wer are not getting great production out of of. 

The point of drafting Kincaid is not to replace Knox. His production is limited by Dorsey and maybe Josh Allen not looking for him enough. It's not a limitation rooted in Knox's deficiencies. You draft Kincaid and use 12 personnel to put Knox and him on the field at the same time.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

The point of drafting Kincaid is not to replace Knox. His production is limited by Dorsey and maybe Josh Allen not looking for him enough. It's not a limitation rooted in Knox's deficiencies. You draft Kincaid and use 12 personnel to put Knox and him on the field at the same time.

Depends on his trade value.  Kincaid is a TE1. If Dorsey isn't going to use TE  (we punt fewer times than any other team, I am not sure we are in desperate need of a chain moving strategy) it might make more sense to have a TE1 under a rookie contract, rather than under a very expensive (for the position) vet contract. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Depends on his trade value.  Kincaid is a TE1. If Dorsey isn't going to use TE  (we punt fewer times than any other team, I am not sure we are in desperate need of a chain moving strategy) it might make more sense to have a TE1 under a rookie contract, rather than under a very expensive (for the position) vet contract. 

 

If Dorsey isn't going to use a tight end drafting one in round 1 makes no sense. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Depends on his trade value.  Kincaid is a TE1. If Dorsey isn't going to use TE  (we punt fewer times than any other team, I am not sure we are in desperate need of a chain moving strategy) it might make more sense to have a TE1 under a rookie contract, rather than under a very expensive (for the position) vet contract. 

Kincaid is a chain mover the way Kelce is. I'm not saying he is Kelce, but he's that kind of TE and I think he can develop quickly into a threat you have to prepare for. I don't see using him in 12 personnel as slowing the offense down or making it less capable of explosive plays. 

Anyway, I like Knox and don't want to get rid of him to allocate funds elsewhere. I think he is underutilized, but that's not his fault. I think of Kincaid as someone who can be an alternative focus to WR2 rather than a replacement for TE1.

[Chaos]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

If Dorsey isn't going to use a tight end drafting one in round 1 makes no sense. 

Disagree. We are going to line someone up at TE. If they are not being used, cheaper is better.  And if you can have cheaper without losing quality that is a potential win.  If another team is willing to give up a clear WR2 for Knox, drafting Kincaid in reality becomes a WR2 pick.  If no one wants Dawson for anything of value, then it makes no sense.  The mock draft simulation sites accept George Pickens from Pittsburgh, even up for Knox. That seems wrong to me.  But I would be excited to roll out Kincaid/Pickens in 2023 (plus have a bunch of cap space).  I don't understand how people can say they don't like a two sided deal with only one side known.  I don't know what Knox would attract, maybe nothing.  That is why I asked the question. 

[ndirish1978]

This draft is FULL of short WRs, I don't want another smurf. Draft analysts pumping up short shifty guys without world class speed is just famine mentality. You can improve the passing and running game with a top end TE, I'd rather have one of the top 3 guys.

[Mikie2times]

7 hours ago, Prospector said:

Tyjae Spears... he's like a 'Wish' version of Singletary

 

7 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Something about Jordan Addison doesn’t feel right. With that slender frame, I think he’s gonna get pushed around at the NFL level and be a 3rd WR at best.

Tulane road Spears all year and won vs Kansas State and USC. Watching him play, very elusive, great balance, can win with the pass or run. Addison was very good in two major conferences, two systems. Mind you, generally looked at as the two weaker conferences. Watching both this year, they stood out. Now, I don't have a huge appetite for either position very early, but as far as players, I think both can do very well in the NFL.  

[Yantha]

6 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I don't have a dog in this fight but participating in the mock draft here, when the Bills have come up, there is alot of debate about who they should or should NOT take.

 

Post your guys that you hope the Bills avoid at all costs....who would piss you off if the Bills call their name and why.

1.  Any quarterback earlier than a round 6 flier.

2.  Any pass rusher in the first 3 rounds.

3.  Any cornerback in the first 3 rounds.

4.  DT Bryan Bresee

5.  WR Zay Flowers.  5'9".  I'm sorry but just no....

There are others...

[Mark Vader]

Dawand Jones

[Iverwig]

Darnel Wright

Edited April 14, 2023 by Iverwig

[Bills Bud]

Zay Flowers. We have enough small receivers 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

At this stage I'd be shocked if the Bills stay at #27 and draft an OL in that spot. 

 

I think the first two picks will be a receiver and a defensive player in some order. But if they traded back maybe all bets are off.

 

I dont disagree, but like I said, if the offensive players they want are off the board at 27 and they don't find a trade down partner, I have no doubt that if Beane's remaining BPA is on the OL he would stick to his board and take them.  I don't see Beane reaching for someone else was my point if the BPA on his board was an OL at 27 and they had to say at 27.  

 

But I do agree, I think the first 2 picks are most like a weapon of some sort and a defensive player, probably in that order.

[purple haze]

10 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Something about Jordan Addison doesn’t feel right. With that slender frame, I think he’s gonna get pushed around at the NFL level and be a 3rd WR at best.

Like DeSean Jackson or Devante Smith?   They’re slender too.   Addison is going be open a lot the way he runs routes.

Edited April 15, 2023 by purple haze

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Bills Bud said:

Zay Flowers. We have enough small receivers 

McKenzie, Crowder, Beasley and Brown are gone.   They have Deonte Harty.  Everyone else is 6’0 or taller.   Flowers, along with Harty would be the most explosive of all them once he walked into the building.  Don’t worry about size.   Worry about production . Yards after catch would be a definite thing with him.  Isn’t that what Beane/McD say they want?

[NeverOutNick]

3 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Kincaid is a chain mover the way Kelce is. I'm not saying he is Kelce, but he's that kind of TE and I think he can develop quickly into a threat you have to prepare for. I don't see using him in 12 personnel as slowing the offense down or making it less capable of explosive plays. 

Anyway, I like Knox and don't want to get rid of him to allocate funds elsewhere. I think he is underutilized, but that's not his fault. I think of Kincaid as someone who can be an alternative focus to WR2 rather than a replacement for TE1.

Kincaid does remind of a modern day Jimmy Graham type. He’s just fun to watch as a big slot. Best pass catching “TE” in the class. Hope he learns how to block a little better. I’d love him but don’t think he’s a McBeane guy. Mayer wouldn’t surprise me as much because he’s dependable in both blocking and pass catching even if he doesn’t have the wow Kincaid does. All in all I don’t think Beane goes TE early. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

Kincaid does remind of a modern day Jimmy Graham type. He’s just fun to watch as a big slot. Best pass catching “TE” in the class. Hope he learns how to block a little better. I’d love him but don’t think he’s a McBeane guy. Mayer wouldn’t surprise me as much because he’s dependable in both blocking and pass catching even if he doesn’t have the wow Kincaid does. All in all I don’t think Beane goes TE early. 

I don't think it will happen either. He's not listed on the 30 visits allowed to each team and that is usually one of the prerequisites for the Bills' first pick. Pretty astute poster said if a visit shows up late, that might be a tell. I'd take Kincaid over the probable available wrs. What I expect is Beane is going to take a damn lb and I'm going to yell at the telly and scare my cats.

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

I don't think it will happen either. He's not listed on the 30 visits allowed to each team and that is usually one of the prerequisites for the Bills' first pick. Pretty astute poster said if a visit shows up late, that might be a tell. I'd take Kincaid over the probable available wrs. What I expect is Beane is going to take a damn lb and I'm going to yell at the telly and scare my cats.

Man I hope not. Just nab Cunningham on a one year $1.7 mil contract and call it a day lol. I have a feeling Rapp is going to play a lot of Big Nickel/Hybrid LB for us anyways…

 

I hope Wright or Broderick Jones falls and is the pick but if we have to go defense we better either better trade back for that LB or take a dude that dropped like maybe Kancey who would rotate in for Oliver and eventually be his replacement next year 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Man I hope not. Just nab Cunningham on a one year $1.7 mil contract and call it a day lol. I have a feeling Rapp is going to play a lot of Big Nickel/Hybrid LB for us anyways…

 

I hope Wright or Broderick Jones falls and is the pick but if we have to go defense we better either better trade back for that LB or take a dude that dropped like maybe Kancey who would rotate in for Oliver and eventually be his replacement next year 

All those picks Beane wasted on mediocre DL and it's still a need. I think Mazi Smith is a possibility. Not a bad player and DT is better value than LB, but still wouldn't make me happy. I agree about signing a vet LB or minimally trading back. I am not really sold on any of the potential first round OT outside of Paris Johnson who will definitely go early. Broderick Jones I'm a little less sure of, but I'd be pretty happy to get him. I don't see him lasting to 27. Matthew Bergeron in the second is a fella I've had my eye on, though he might only be a guard. I think he's going to be good, though.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

3 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

This draft is FULL of short WRs, I don't want another smurf. Draft analysts pumping up short shifty guys without world class speed is just famine mentality. You can improve the passing and running game with a top end TE, I'd rather have one of the top 3 guys.

Most of the 1st round guys (after Quentin Johnston) are shorter, but there are some good receivers with height like Cedric Tillman, Michael Wilson, A.T. Perry, and Jonathan Mingo who could be available in rounds 3-5. 

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

All those picks Beane wasted on mediocre DL and it's still a need. I think Mazi Smith is a possibility. Not a bad player and DT is better value than LB, but still wouldn't make me happy. I agree about signing a vet LB or minimally trading back. I am not really sold on any of the potential first round OT outside of Paris Johnson who will definitely go early. Broderick Jones I'm a little less sure of, but I'd be pretty happy to get him. I don't see him lasting to 27. Matthew Bergeron in the second is a fella I've had my eye on, though he might only be a guard. I think he's going to be good, though.

Good call on Mazi Smith. Don’t want DT early but I would be as mad at him or Kancey being the pick

[Rigotz]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

Like DeSean Jackson or Devante Smith?   They’re slender too.   Addison is going be open a lot the way he runs routes.

Since you’re the second person to mention these two guys, I’ll address it.
 

DeSean Jackson and Devonta Smith both have elite physical traits. The way they get open is nobody can touch them. Addison doesn’t have that.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but comparing Addison to a player who runs 4.35 is like comparing Isaiah McKenzie to DK Metcalf.

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, McBean said:

Very simple for me.

 

If they Draft a defensive guy at 27, my TV is going to be busted.

 

weapons and protection for 17. All picks. Let’s win games 41-38. Just score.

 

Defense is irrelevant now in the league. Hold a team under 30 with a QB like Allen and you are going to win games.

So, a defense is relevant as ours couldn't even hold the Chiefs to under 30 in our last two playoff losses against them.  I'd watch the draft on a cheap TV if I were you.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Any RB in the 1st 2 rounds, we would have picked back to back 1st/2nd round or 2 second rounders in consecutive years. James Cook looked really promising for a rookie and paired up with Harris will make a solid 1-2 punch imo. I'm alright with pretty much any other positions, I'd prefer OL help but if there isn't 1 rated high enough and it's ILB, or DL then so be it as long as we find OL help in round 2. 

[BigAl2526]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Whereas I place route running #1 and hands #2 at receiver. They are the most translateable attributes. 

Cole Beasley was a superb route runner who rarely dropped a ball at his peak, but nobody would ever have thought to draft him in the first round.  Stefon Diggs is a superlative route runner with outstanding hands (usually).  He was drafted in the fifth round and he has a lot more physical tools than Addison.  It's not that I wouldn't like Addison on my team.  I just don't want him at #27.  It seems to me that there has to be more value still left on the board than that.

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Since you’re the second person to mention these two guys, I’ll address it.
 

DeSean Jackson and Devonta Smith both have elite physical traits. The way they get open is nobody can touch them. Addison doesn’t have that.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but comparing Addison to a player who runs 4.35 is like comparing Isaiah McKenzie to DK Metcalf.

You mentioned size not speed.   That said, Addison gets off the line well and runs great routes.   Very good runner after the catch too.  Those things translate.  Lot of speed demons get to the league and can’t do anything but run straight ahead so don’t oversell that aspect.   And Addison isn’t slow.  He wins doing what WR’s do.  Creates separation with his precision, agility  and speed.   He plays inside and outside.

 

He does need to get stronger, but that’s what the strength and conditioning coaches are for.  That can be gained.   Smith-Njigba is my favorite receiver but if the Bills wound up with Addison he’d do well for them.

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Cole Beasley was a superb route runner who rarely dropped a ball at his peak, but nobody would ever have thought to draft him in the first round.  Stefon Diggs is a superlative route runner with outstanding hands (usually).  He was drafted in the fifth round and he has a lot more physical tools than Addison.  It's not that I wouldn't like Addison on my team.  I just don't want him at #27.  It seems to me that there has to be more value still left on the board than that.

 

Cole Beasley wasn't really a route runner in the true sense. He just had an innate feel for the soft spot in zones. He also was a slot only. And those guys should not go round 1. 

 

We have done the Stef Diggs thing before. The reason he went in the 5th was his college production was majorly impacted by injury. He broke a leg one year then had multiple injuries his junior year. Not saying he'd have gone round 1 necessarily but he'd have gone day 2 easily. And the point is he WAS worth a 1st round pick later in his career when the Bills traded for him.

 

As for better value on the board... I'd be surprised. I have a borderline 1st/2nd grade on Addison but he is the 14th best player on my board. This draft sucks. If he is there at #27 he is almost definitely the best available.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Since you’re the second person to mention these two guys, I’ll address it.
 

DeSean Jackson and Devonta Smith both have elite physical traits. The way they get open is nobody can touch them. Addison doesn’t have that.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but comparing Addison to a player who runs 4.35 is like comparing Isaiah McKenzie to DK Metcalf.

 

Devonta Smith wasn't a 4.3 guy. There was no comine his year (covid) but he ran in the 4.4s the year before at Alabama's pro day (admittedly it wasn't part of a draft process so he likely hadn't trained for it). Jackson fair enough was a 4.35 guy but Smith wasn't and Smith isn't a speed guy on his film either. The biggest physical difference between he and Addison that I see is actually he is a tad longer - an inch taller and with longer arms - that helps him getting off press. 

 

And nobody is arguing Addison is Smith. He was a top 10 pick and for good reason. In this class he'd be at worst the 3rd best player in the draft. But you can only pick people who are in this draft... and if Addison is there at #27 it is a very strong chance he is the best of the players in this draft left for you to pick.

[purple haze]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Cole Beasley wasn't really a route runner in the true sense. He just had an innate feel for the soft spot in zones. He also was a slot only. And those guys should not go round 1. 

 

We have done the Stef Diggs thing before. The reason he went in the 5th was his college production was majorly impacted by injury. He broke a leg one year then had multiple injuries his junior year. Not saying he'd have gone round 1 necessarily but he'd have gone day 2 easily. And the point is he WAS worth a 1st round pick later in his career when the Bills traded for him.

 

As for better value on the board... I'd be surprised. I have a borderline 1st/2nd grade on Addison but he is the 14th best player on my board. This draft sucks. If he is there at #27 he is almost definitely the best available.

Diggs also had to play with multiple QBs.  At one point due to injuries to the top 3 QBs on the depth chart the Terrapins had to play a LB at the QB position.  For real.   He was a high school QB that had been converted to LB.  it was crazy.   But when he was healthy, in spite of the QB issues, Diggs still looked like Diggs.  Same dude we see now in terms of play style, emotion and effectiveness.  It was obvious he was a pro early on.  

[freddyjj]

21 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I don't have a dog in this fight but participating in the mock draft here, when the Bills have come up, there is alot of debate about who they should or should NOT take.

 

Post your guys that you hope the Bills avoid at all costs....who would piss you off if the Bills call their name and why.

Clyde Edwards-Helaire - erggghhhh!!!

 

Oh no that was my 2020 no fly guy.  😎

[RiotAct]

23 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I don't have a dog in this fight but participating in the mock draft here, when the Bills have come up, there is alot of debate about who they should or should NOT take.

 

Post your guys that you hope the Bills avoid at all costs....who would piss you off if the Bills call their name and why.

A Running Back, Kicker, Punter, or Long Snapper

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

23 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

Let’s just trade all of our first 3 rounds to AZ for DHop, I heard he was available. 

id do it for our past 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders. 
 

Oliver, Basham/Epenesa, and Moss, oh I mean Brown or Terrell Bernard. Should be more than enough 

[Bills Bud]

13 hours ago, purple haze said:

McKenzie, Crowder, Beasley and Brown are gone.   They have Deonte Harty.  Everyone else is 6’0 or taller.   Flowers, along with Harty would be the most explosive of all them once he walked into the building.  Don’t worry about size.   Worry about production . Yards after catch would be a definite thing with him.  Isn’t that what Beane/McD say they want?

 

We need a guy that can make contested catches. I think we need to model our offense like the Bengals, we know Josh likes to throw the ball downfield. We need our Tee Higgins, we have enough small shifty guys.

 

I'm hoping we get Evans or Hopkins on a trade, or draft Quinten Johnston 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

14 minutes ago, Bills Bud said:

 

We need a guy that can make contested catches.

 

Darnell Washington.

 

6'7" 

largetst hands by about half an inch at 11"

heaviest TE at the combine (264lbs) and yet the 6th fastest 40 time at the position.

longest arms (34.38") by about half an inch

 

Only reason he might be available at #27 is due to his underutilization in the Georgia offense. 

[GunnerBill]

43 minutes ago, Bills Bud said:

 

We need a guy that can make contested catches. I think we need to model our offense like the Bengals, we know Josh likes to throw the ball downfield. We need our Tee Higgins, we have enough small shifty guys.

 

I'm hoping we get Evans or Hopkins on a trade, or draft Quinten Johnston 

 

Quentin Johnston's contested catch rate is dreadful.

Edited April 15, 2023 by GunnerBill