transient Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 It had to be done from a football perspective, but I feel bad for McKittrick the person. He seems like a good dude and probably a fun personality for the team to be around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Thank you for your service. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 THANKS FOR EVERYTHING LIL DIRTY, WISH YOU THE BEST! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 33 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Think he'll land in NY? I don't see a more clean fit anywhere else. He'll either compete in camp for the Giants or wind up on an XFL roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: sucks dorsey is an idiot and couldnt use him well. he made me stand up on my feet when he got the ball in the redzone for those sweeps. best of luck son It stinks that Dorsey had him not run out of bounds at Miami. Or double catch passes. Or just be a situationally unaware player. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: There could not be a more fitting end to perfectly encapsulate McKenzie's time here, than him popping off on twitter for Beane to "do something" immediately followed by Beane signing his replacement and cutting him. 🤣 All the best to Lil Dirty. Seriously, do you think his tweet the other day pissed of Beane? You might be correct. 3 minutes ago, BillsVet said: It stinks that Dorsey had him not run out of bounds at Miami. Or double catch passes. Or just be a situationally unaware player. What was the game when he without getting touched just dropped the ball on a return which turned the momentum 100% in the game and we ended up getting beat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I like McKenzie, seems like a good dude. Just too inconsistent out there. One week he could go 10 grabs for 120 yards and two touchdowns then follow up with 2 catches for 11 yards with 3 drops, a fumble, and a 12 yard loss on a jet sweep or something. I can't wait until he has a good game with whatever team he lands on. Half this board gonna be squealin' about it like they do with Isaiah frickin' Hodgins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Seriously, do you think his tweet the other day pissed of Beane? You might be correct. My 3rd cousin's uncle is a janitor on terry's yacht. He confirmed that was the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: So al the poorly run routes, drops and fumbles those were because Dorsey is an idiot. Yeah ok. McKenzie had a long and storied history of muffs and fumbles, that is how we landed him here in the first place. gabe only had 6 more receptions with 28 more passes his way. only knock on mckenzie was his muffs imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think it’ll be Diggs Davis Harty Shakir WR drafted rds 1-3. this WR class isn’t very good and the guys that we’ll be selecting will have a hard time beating out gabe. Maybe they’ll slot in over shakir, but they plan to utilize Harty. Mcdermotts reluctance to give big minutes to draft picks also factors in imo I see the rookie WR being an outside guy who will replace Davis next year. As the primary outside depth guy, he can get a lot of snaps. Spelling Diggs and Davis alone probably gives him 30%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Conflicted on this and not because of the personality. He had some gaffes and Harty made him redundant so I get it, but he was still valuable, productive, and added some variety to the offense. I really hope this is not the case of coaches’ inability to get the best out of him resulting in a release. Just can’t help but think if that 11 catch, 125 yard, 1 TD game against NE* and wonder if we should have been utilizing his skill set more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) I'm sad McKenzie is leaving. He's such a great guy and it was so much to watch him in that Pats games a couple seasons ago. But this past season, he wasn't able to shine in a bigger role. Maybe the talent wasn't quite there. Maybe Dorsey misused him. I'm not sure. But we all know it didn't work out the way anyone had hoped. Edited March 17, 2023 by hondo in seattle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanMike Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Lil’ Dirty will be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bangarang Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Harty better keep his tiny ass healthy. 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFanMike said: Lil’ Dirty will be back. Hope not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, BillsFanMike said: Lil’ Dirty will be back. Odds are he will get signed a vet minimum (or close to that) to compete on another team. If he gets cut, he will be back on the Bills PS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Conflicted on this and not because of the personality. He had some gaffes and Harty made him redundant so I get it, but he was still valuable, productive, and added some variety to the offense. I really hope this is not the case of coaches’ inability to get the best out of him resulting in a release. Just can’t help but think if that 11 catch, 125 yard, 1 TD game against NE* and wonder if we should have been utilizing his skill set more. If we’re simply sticking with Diggs-Davis-Shakir-Harty, then yea.. I might agree.. why not keep McKenzie as WR5. But that’s not a Championship caliber WR room, imo, and I hope this signals that - at the very least - Shakir and Harty are getting bumped down a slot in the WR room pecking order. If that’s the case, McKenzie not playing ST’s, at a 2.5M cap hit, doesn’t make a ton of sense as WR6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFanMike said: Lil’ Dirty will be back. Lol. I agree. Maybe not this offseason, but at some point in the next 5 years I expect him to be a Bill again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: gabe only had 6 more receptions with 28 more passes his way. only knock on mckenzie was his muffs imo I am on record stating relative to expectation, Gabe Davis was the biggest disappointment this year. Regardless, Gabe Davis is largely irrelevant in the McKenzie discussion. And the only knock on him being the miffs is a pretty damn important knock, especially since we have Hines on the team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Harty better keep his tiny ass healthy. Doesn’t matter. There were many times during the season I wanted McKenzie cut, glad we have moved on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t see my as a fit. They have wandale robinson, parris Campbell and Hodgins. All three are best in the slot- their other WR is Sterling IRpard. Maybe Daboll loves him that much that he’ll add a 4th midget WR, but I think he can be used better on other teams That's a good point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 If you listen closely to what Beane says, they have "receiver roles." Right or wrong, it's what he says. Diggs is 1 - outside Davis is 2- outside Shakir is 3 (this is designated for their slot position) Harty is 4 (He said specifically that what they look for in a 4 is a guy who plays inside and out. I think Harty gets more snaps than Shakir, but he is the "4" role...imo this was like Emmanuel Sanders' role for a bit) Their 5 is a receiver who is also a gunner. This has been Jake Kumerow since 2021. Before it was Andre Holmes, Brandon Tate, Damari Scott. If they don't bring back Kumerow, Mack Hollins or Justin Watson makes sense to me. Can play outside as well The 6 is the depth guy who probably doesn't dress on game day. So essentially, imo, any addition going forward is either taking Davis' or Shakir's job. This structure, right or wrong, is why Isaiah Hodgins is gone. They didn't think he was better than the slots we had, and he couldn't play outside or on special teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 It's understandable as a football decision, but sorry to see him go. One of my favorite stories about the connection between the Bills and its fans is the one about him tweeting about dinner on Xmas eve 2021, then being invited into a home by a fan, and he went. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Conflicted on this and not because of the personality. He had some gaffes and Harty made him redundant so I get it, but he was still valuable, productive, and added some variety to the offense. I really hope this is not the case of coaches’ inability to get the best out of him resulting in a release. Just can’t help but think if that 11 catch, 125 yard, 1 TD game against NE* and wonder if we should have been utilizing his skill set more. Seemed like an outlier game. Coaches can’t teach hand skills. We need guys who are consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Conflicted on this and not because of the personality. He had some gaffes and Harty made him redundant so I get it, but he was still valuable, productive, and added some variety to the offense. I really hope this is not the case of coaches’ inability to get the best out of him resulting in a release. Just can’t help but think if that 11 catch, 125 yard, 1 TD game against NE* and wonder if we should have been utilizing his skill set more. No doubt. One off games by receivers/returners have to be treated exactly that, one off. Microcosm of McKenzie's career here, incredibly exciting one game, fraught with peril the next. Look at the raging post season success Gabe Davis had two years ago and what he did this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: If we’re simply sticking with Diggs-Davis-Shakir-Harty, then yea.. I might agree.. why not keep McKenzie as WR5. But that’s not a Championship caliber WR room, imo, and I hope this signals that - at the very least - Shakir and Harty are getting bumped down a slot in the WR room pecking order. If that’s the case, McKenzie not playing ST’s, at a 2.5M cap hit, doesn’t make a ton of sense as WR6. Yep, and I do get the numbers game and allocation of money to the position. That’s why I’m conflicted and not full stop against the move. But I think I’d prefer: (A) Diggs as “WR1”, rotating Davis/Round 1 or 2 Draft Pick as “WR2”, and rotating Shakir/Harty/McKenzie as “WR3” similar to the keeping legs fresh on the DL theory; and (B) ST contribution from a different, defensive, position or positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Looks like a mediocre WR room. Which could be enough if we can find a way to get better OL play, a better offensive scheme and a healthy Josh Allen arm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: If we’re simply sticking with Diggs-Davis-Shakir-Harty, then yea.. I might agree.. why not keep McKenzie as WR5. But that’s not a Championship caliber WR room, imo, and I hope this signals that - at the very least - Shakir and Harty are getting bumped down a slot in the WR room pecking order. If that’s the case, McKenzie not playing ST’s, at a 2.5M cap hit, doesn’t make a ton of sense as WR6. I'm hoping there's one more WR joining the WR room - someone who can at least push Davis for #2. And, yep, that means McK isn't coming back to the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: If you listen closely to what Beane says, they have "receiver roles." Right or wrong, it's what he says. Diggs is 1 - outside Davis is 2- outside Shakir is 3 (this is designated for their slot position) Harty is 4 (He said specifically that what they look for in a 4 is a guy who plays inside and out. I think Harty gets more snaps than Shakir, but he is the "4" role...imo this was like Emmanuel Sanders' role for a bit) Their 5 is a receiver who is also a gunner. This has been Jake Kumerow since 2021. Before it was Andre Holmes, Brandon Tate, Damari Scott. If they don't bring back Kumerow, Mack Hollins or Justin Watson makes sense to me. Can play outside as well The 6 is the depth guy who probably doesn't dress on game day. So essentially, imo, any addition going forward is either taking Davis' or Shakir's job. This structure, right or wrong, is why Isaiah Hodgins is gone. They didn't think he was better than the slots we had, and he couldn't play outside or on special teams. He played outside for the Giants just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillsFanMike said: Lil’ Dirty will be back. Kumerow for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Dayum. Idk why but this kinda breaks my heart lol. As weird as that sounds. He's just such an awesome dude. I hope he goes to a team that knows how to truly use him and that he kicks a&& 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I see the rookie WR being an outside guy who will replace Davis next year. As the primary outside depth guy, he can get a lot of snaps. Spelling Diggs and Davis alone probably gives him 30%. I agree. He’ll replace him next year. Harty is also going to be getting some snaps outside as well. Which is why I put the rookie down some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Might go down as the clumsiest athlete ever to earn several million dollars. An inspiration to millions of teenagers tripping over their own feet. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Looks like a mediocre WR room. It's a good mix of styles. Give Josh a moment more before he has to move with a better OL and give Knox more true routes, they could tear it up. I know everyone has their own opinions, but this is what I hoped for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think it’ll be Diggs Davis Harty Shakir WR drafted rds 1-3. this WR class isn’t very good and the guys that we’ll be selecting will have a hard time beating out gabe. Maybe they’ll slot in over shakir, but they plan to utilize Harty. Mcdermotts reluctance to give big minutes to draft picks also factors in imo A clear missing piece for us right now is a reliable slot, with RAC ability. Draft actually has a decent value for this. Zay Flowers or Downs would be instant upgrades. I like Shakir, but he's not a difference maker, like the guys above. Good backup, #4/5 type. Draft a G in the 2nd. Sign a backup RT. This offense quickly resets and improves weaknesses from last yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Looks like a mediocre WR room. With still an awful OL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Might go down as the clumsiest athlete ever to earn several million dollars. An inspiration to millions of teenagers tripping over their own feet. I gave a angry face because you may be right and I hate agreeing. I still stand by my comment above that he needs to be used correctly. Wishing him nothing but the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: There could not be a more fitting end to perfectly encapsulate McKenzie's time here, than him popping off on twitter for Beane to "do something" immediately followed by Beane signing his replacement and cutting him. 🤣 All the best to Lil Dirty. Love the guy but this is completely true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, MasterStrategist said: A clear missing piece for us right now is a reliable slot, with RAC ability. Draft actually has a decent value for this. Zay Flowers or Downs would be instant upgrades. I like Shakir, but he's not a difference maker, like the guys above. Good backup, #4/5 type. Draft a G in the 2nd. Sign a backup RT. This offense quickly resets and improves weaknesses from last yr. I don’t necessarily think it’s a “missing piece” as much as it is having a “known commodity”. Shakir was drafted partly due to his RAC ability. Harty is one of the best RAC guys in the league. While it’s unknown if shakir can be a successful slot in the nfl or whether Harty can stay healthy, we have two slot WRs that specialize in RAC. So I don’t think it’s a missing piece, but more of an unknown. I was a huge shakir fan prior to drafting him and thought he was worthy of a 2/3rd rd pick. So maybe I’m biased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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