Patrick Duffy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Definitely possible, but you don't save a lot of money. About $1.4M, but after you subtract the salary of the guy who replaces him on the roster, that's not much. My guess is they bring him back to compete and worry about whether or not to cut him in August. Yeah it could play out that way also....I can certainly understand if it does. Either way regarding slot position in particular, I feel good about Shakir coming out on top of the competition and winning over the starting role. If they part ways with McK or if they end up keeping him for depth/gadget plays here and there etc it's fine too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 30 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Definitely possible, but you don't save a lot of money. About $1.4M, but after you subtract the salary of the guy who replaces him on the roster, that's not much. My guess is they bring him back to compete and worry about whether or not to cut him in August. Cutting McKenzie saves 2.7M. For perspective, Connor McGovern's YR1 cap hit is 3.6M. McKenzie's role is already filled by players on the team so that savings will towards a different position or towards signing a better WR. Just can't see him coming back after they basically signed guys off the couch to replace him last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, akcash said: I don't know why but I feel like its D Hop. That would be sick but I think beane grabs his #1 of the future in Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 13 hours ago, BarleyNY said: bored beyond belief that's me for sure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 12 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: I am guessing if you keep guessing, it might turn out right. My turn to guess. He knew about the Diggs restructure, and Diggs signed off on the WR they are bringing in (that they can co-exist) Whomever that may be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, BrooklynBills said: Cutting McKenzie saves 2.7M. For perspective, Connor McGovern's YR1 cap hit is 3.6M. McKenzie's role is already filled by players on the team so that savings will towards a different position or towards signing a better WR. Just can't see him coming back after they basically signed guys off the couch to replace him last year. His cap hit is 2.5M. He has a signing bonus hit of 300k, so 2.2M max IF you cut him today. He has a 250k roster bonus paid out on Friday. If you cut him after that you're looking at slightly less than 2M in savings. There's a workout bonus and a per-game active bonus as well. FWIW - Noah Brown just got 1yr 2.6M and he caught 4 passes last year. My issue with doing it now is there are always potential injuries. We only have 4 dudes under contract at the moment - and the FA WRs are trash who will get overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Hopefully the move is cutting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said: His cap hit is 2.5M. He has a signing bonus hit of 300k, so 2.2M max IF you cut him today. He has a 250k roster bonus paid out on Friday. If you cut him after that you're looking at slightly less than 2M in savings. There's a workout bonus and a per-game active bonus as well. FWIW - Noah Brown just got 1yr 2.6M and he caught 4 passes last year. My issue with doing it now is there are always potential injuries. We only have 4 dudes under contract at the moment - and the FA WRs are trash who will get overpaid. I'm not a big fan of Isaiah....but McKenzie does has a bit of a knack in the Redzone. He has 12 TD's over his last 3 seasons....which is pretty good considering his limited time and usually the 4th option on offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: His cap hit is 2.5M. He has a signing bonus hit of 300k, so 2.2M max IF you cut him today. He has a 250k roster bonus paid out on Friday. If you cut him after that you're looking at slightly less than 2M in savings. There's a workout bonus and a per-game active bonus as well. FWIW - Noah Brown just got 1yr 2.6M and he caught 4 passes last year. My issue with doing it now is there are always potential injuries. We only have 4 dudes under contract at the moment - and the FA WRs are trash who will get overpaid. I think I’m fine with McKenzie as WR5 Diggs FA or Draft Pick Davis Shakir McKenzie We could certainly use the 2-3M he frees up, but having McKenzie as WR5.. a guy who’s made plays in this league and has been with Josh since jump, isn’t the worst insurance to have. However, I also recognize that Hines as RB3 and McKenzie as WR5 is pretty redundant, especially for a rookie OC that showed zero creativity in using gadget pieces last year. Tough call… I can go either way on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: My turn to guess. He knew about the Diggs restructure, and Diggs signed off on the WR they are bringing in (that they can co-exist) Whomever that may be. This seems fairly likely. Hopkins, OBJ, Thielen, Jeudy, Evans or a surprise name that hasn't been brought up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 14 hours ago, eball said: The guy loves being a Bill, has a great personality, and has contributed meaningfully on the field, yet we have a lot of wannabe comedians on this board trashing the guy. I’d like for every player to embrace the team the way Li’l Dirty has. sure... but preferably theyd be a good player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, SCBills said: I think I’m fine with McKenzie as WR5 Diggs FA or Draft Pick Davis Shakir McKenzie We could certainly use the 2-3M he frees up, but having McKenzie as WR5.. a guy who’s made plays in this league and has been with Josh since jump, isn’t the worst insurance to have. However, I also recognize that Hines as RB3 and McKenzie as WR5 is pretty redundant, especially for a rookie OC that showed zero creativity in using gadget pieces last year. Tough call… I can go either way on him. It shouldn't be that hard to use gadget players. He's made tons of plays as a jet motion player. Him as a conventional weapon wasn't a particularly successful season, so don't use him that way. Hines should be a change of pace back - not a gadget player. Put him out there on specific drives (end of halves), specific situations (3rd downs and some red zone), and probably a 2 RB formation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limeaid Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 13 hours ago, ScottLaw said: The dudes a goner. Thank you for affirmation that he is still on roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 16 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: I find it hilarious he calls him BBB I thought they were going to report him to the Better Business Bureau BBB for his lack of production at his job ... I hope they cut him to save money against the cap & off sett he other signing of the Harte guy from the Saints . Edited March 15 by T master 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, SCBills said: I think I’m fine with McKenzie as WR5 Diggs FA or Draft Pick Davis Shakir McKenzie We could certainly use the 2-3M he frees up, but having McKenzie as WR5.. a guy who’s made plays in this league and has been with Josh since jump, isn’t the worst insurance to have. However, I also recognize that Hines as RB3 and McKenzie as WR5 is pretty redundant, especially for a rookie OC that showed zero creativity in using gadget pieces last year. Tough call… I can go either way on him. Their WR 5 is going to be a gunner. Is that Justin Watson or Mack Hollins or something? Maybe. But I think they have to add 1 more legit receiver, and that's would have to be via draft or OBJ or Hopkins and then they will add a WR5 who plays special teams imo. McKenzie would basically be scratched on game day in this scenario. That's why he is gone imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Yea.. I’m gonna go ahead and assume McKenzie’s tweets mean nothing. No moves since he tweeted all that.. aside from his replacement being signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Life was so much better before this thing called "TWITTER" existed. The ability for every idiot in this country to directly blast his random thought of the moment out to the entire world is greatly over-valued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Life was so much better before this thing called "TWITTER" existed. The ability for every idiot in this country to directly blast his random thought of the moment out to the entire world is greatly over-valued. You mean like Elon Musk, a guy who overpaid for Twitter then continues to run it into the ground and actually Tweets what most of us already know to be true.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 31 minutes ago, T master said: I thought they were going to report him to the Better Business Bureau BBB for his lack of production at his job ... I hope they cut him to save money against the cap & off sett he other signing of the Harte guy from the Saints . 32 minutes ago, T master said: I thought they were going to report him to the Better Business Bureau BBB for his lack of production at his job ... I hope they cut him to save money against the cap & off sett he other signing of the Harte guy from the Saints . If they don't need the cap space, they may keep both during camp and the preseason, we do need 90 players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 16 hours ago, eball said: The guy loves being a Bill, has a great personality, and has contributed meaningfully on the field, yet we have a lot of wannabe comedians on this board trashing the guy. I’d like for every player to embrace the team the way Li’l Dirty has. He tried to embrace all this love you've given him, but he dropped it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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