billsfan89 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 David would be a possible upgrade at MLB but what would it cost and how long would they be tied to him? Not a fan of breaking the bank for a 33-year-old linebacker no matter how good he may be. Still worth checking out what the market is for him a one-year 10 million dollar deal wouldn't be terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Could be. But at the end of the day the ONE position group I don’t worry that this team knows how to fill is Safety. So I will stay worried about the other side of the ball. I am not arguing for them to throw big assets at safety. But the end of the Jordan and Micah combo this year was a classic case of don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, billsfan89 said: David would be a possible upgrade at MLB but what would it cost and how long would they be tied to him? Not a fan of breaking the bank for a 33-year-old linebacker no matter how good he may be. Still worth checking out what the market is for him a one-year 10 million dollar deal wouldn't be terrible. Simply put, he isn’t an upgrade over Edmunds. Just a bandaid and a good mentor for the young LBs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: David would be a possible upgrade at MLB but what would it cost and how long would they be tied to him? Not a fan of breaking the bank for a 33-year-old linebacker no matter how good he may be. Still worth checking out what the market is for him a one-year 10 million dollar deal wouldn't be terrible. I’d guess 2 or 3 years with a void year and 9-12 mil per 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Simply put, he isn’t an upgrade over Edmunds. Just a bandaid and a good mentor for the young LBs. Simply put, David is a better LB right now than Edmunds 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: He’s honestly a pretty significant downgrade at his age. Gave up 55 completions last year (75% and 6.8 ypa). Also had a missed tackle rate of 6.8% (9 missed tackles). He’s just a name at this point. There are better, younger options available. Graded higher than Edmunds on PFF… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I’d guess 2 or 3 years with a void year and 9-12 mil per Simply put, David is a better LB right now than Edmunds Prove it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 This was my pick to replace Edmonds if he walked 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: David would be a possible upgrade at MLB but what would it cost and how long would they be tied to him? Not a fan of breaking the bank for a 33-year-old linebacker no matter how good he may be. Still worth checking out what the market is for him a one-year 10 million dollar deal wouldn't be terrible. Spotrac has David @ 9.7 so I'd only sign him to a 2 year deal totaling 18M. But be aware that's going to take a big chunk out of offensive FA cap money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am not arguing for them to throw big assets at safety. But the end of the Jordan and Micah combo this year was a classic case of don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. You don’t dedicate 10 million a season to a 32 year old safety who last year started showing his age in coverage and with his body(multiple injuries). This is the perfect time to walk away from him 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: He had a good amount of TFL (10) but lots of missed as well (9). I’d pass on him till wave 2 or 3. He was on the field non stop. Tampa offense couldn't sustain squat. He had almost 300 more snaps on field then Edmunds and played 1 week less. Defense gets worn down. It's hilarious to even have these conversations. David is better and it's not even an argument imo. I've watched tons of Tampa Bay over the last two years. Their LBs in White and David put our to shame. The Bears made a stupid investment. Edmunds is not worth the highest paid LB in the NFL..period. Any fan who watches more than just the Buffalo Bills knows this. He made next to zero impact plays here. For the kind of money they paid him, he needs to be a game changer....new flash...he's not and never will be. 6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Prove it Go watch the games, not just look at numbers on a paper. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: He had a good amount of TFL (10) but lots of missed as well (9). I’d pass on him till wave 2 or 3. "Lots"? He missed 9 tackles on 1075 snaps! He had 124 total and 80 solo. lol wtf... 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 I won't hold my breath for Edmunds highlight reel. 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: "Lots"? He missed 9 tackles on 1075 snaps! He had 124 total and 80 solo. lol wtf... Exactly...homerism at its finest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: He was on the field non stop. Tampa offense couldn't sustain squat. He had almost 300 more snaps on field then Edmunds and played 1 week less. Defense gets worn down. It's hilarious to even have these conversations. David is better and it's not even an argument imo. I've watched tons of Tampa Bay over the last two years. Their LBs in White and David put our to shame. The Bears made a stupid investment. Edmunds is not worth the highest paid LB in the NFL..period. Any fan who watches more than just the Buffalo Bills knows this. He made next to zero impact plays here. For the kind of money they paid him, he needs to be a game changer....new flash...he's not and never will be. Go watch the games, not just look at numbers on a paper. Listen, I'm not going to argue the pros & cons of Edmunds anymore. He's gone and frankly it's exhausting. McB did the right thing letting him walk for the 18M he got. I like what Lavonte can bring as a veteran bridge LB for maybe a couple years @ 9M. He can mentor a new LB and yes he's likely to make a few more splash plays than Tremaine. Sign me up...... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 If the Bills end up with David, even if it's just for a year, that's all they need right now. It's perfect. Lets them push back the calendar one year at MLB, while bringing in a SB Champion caliber veteran teammate. It fits... 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I disagree. My ideal world would have been keep Poyer another year let Micah walk. Poyer is the more impactful player IMO. But their contracts didn't line up that way. And at their ages I don't really want either extended. So Poyer walks this year, Micah walks next. I'd consider both for the wall down the line. Interesting post. What were your thoughts on Poyer being out of position at times toward the end of last season and in the playoffs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Prove it Compare the PFF grades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Prove it David has elite instincts, is a natural playmaker, more physical and as good or better coverage. There’s no debate. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 I want Wagner. The dude is basically the same age as David but still played at an all pro level last season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Sign the man. Upgrade to Edmunds IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just watch the Super Bowl and the job he did on Kelsey… he next to Milano would be lights out even at 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I want Wagner. The dude is basically the same age as David but still played at an all pro level last season They're both really good... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I am not arguing for them to throw big assets at safety. But the end of the Jordan and Micah combo this year was a classic case of don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. I certainly know what we didnt have last year... an Offensive Line... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: They're both really good... I know Wagner still is. I haven't really kept up with David in a while 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Hope the Miller and Allen restructures are tied to this getting done soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 If we sign David I’ll be ecstatic. Loved that dude since he was at Nebraska. Such a smart LB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, CDogg20 said: Trade Oliver and get Jefferey Simmoms would most likely be the move in this scenario This "wood" get me to 12:00 in a hurry! 😋 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Comparing him to Edmunds is moot now. That being said...David's a baller and on field leader. He'd be great for the D for a couple years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: In my opinion this is an upgrade from Edmunds. It would also match with Sean’s comments about playing with a nastier edge This is where you have to be careful. Dude is going to be 34. Guys fall off a cliff really fast. I love the player and would welcome him but I’ve seen these story a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, bills6969 said: He’s old And great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I am not arguing for them to throw big assets at safety. But the end of the Jordan and Micah combo this year was a classic case of don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. Idk, we knew what we had didn't we? Thats why we paid them back then & thought of them as the best safety tandem in the league right? The 2 of them worked together like hand in glove & you didnt have to worry about much when they were out there together on the field. Surely a dropoff was to be expected when you lose 1 or both of them? But them being gone last season is part of the reasoning to move on. Availability is the best ability & Hyde was out the whole year injured & Poyer missed another 4 weeks. Their availability as they age will not improve... it likely should only get worse. Spending top dollar on 2 safeties past 30 isn't my ideal way to allocate limited resources. All that being said i'd like 1 more year to run it back if Poyer would take it, since on the surface we're so close to the SB & have many other positions to focus on. Otherwise i say move on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 55 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I know Wagner still is. I haven't really kept up with David in a while I was thinking...It's too bad Wagner did not go to LA one season earlier so Von could better recruit him now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Would be an upgrade at middle linebacker AND he meets the minimum 30 year age threshold to be a Beane defensive signing. Would be a slam dunk signing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: The Kid from San Fran would be my target. al-sheer. And 25 years OL. Really, really, really bad in coverage in 2021, not great in 2022. Maybe McD can coach him up? 2 hours ago, TwistofFate said: He was on the field non stop. Tampa offense couldn't sustain squat. He had almost 300 more snaps on field then Edmunds and played 1 week less. Defense gets worn down. It's hilarious to even have these conversations. David is better and it's not even an argument imo. I've watched tons of Tampa Bay over the last two years. Their LBs in White and David put our to shame. The Bears made a stupid investment. Edmunds is not worth the highest paid LB in the NFL..period. Any fan who watches more than just the Buffalo Bills knows this. He made next to zero impact plays here. For the kind of money they paid him, he needs to be a game changer....new flash...he's not and never will be. Go watch the games, not just look at numbers on a paper. I’m not saying I don’t want either old LBers, but Father Time is unbeaten. Losing Edmunds sucks, I think he’ll be harder to replace than fans want to admit… Hope I’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: "Lots"? He missed 9 tackles on 1075 snaps! He had 124 total and 80 solo. lol wtf... And Edmunds had 1 missed tackle all year and was better vs the pass. It’s all a moot point now, but let’s all stop acting like Edmunds was garbage, he did things better than Wagner/David did last year due to his superior athleticism and isn’t even in his prime. He did some things worse because he doesn’t yet still have great instincts and probably had too much responsibility. If Bills land Davis/Wagner, awesome. They are instinctive vets who have a tendency for big wow plays. IMO it’s a wash between them, you trade off. I’m worried about if we DON’T land David/Wagner, because now we might be talking significant downgrade. Edited March 14, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Bills need a 33-year-old, slowing LB this year about as much as they needed Terrel Bernard last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Airseven said: Bills need a 33-year-old, slowing LB this year about as much as they needed Terrel Bernard last year. Yawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Airseven said: Bills need a 33-year-old, slowing LB this year about as much as they needed Terrel Bernard last year. Problem is, Wagner and Davis are probably the only ones left who aren’t significant downgrades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 I’ll take either guy, can’t wait for Chi to realize the got JAG in Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 this would be a great signing if Beane gets it done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Problem is, Wagner and Davis are probably the only ones left who aren’t significant downgrades. Best to use an early draft pick for LB and free agency for S. Of course, they also need a pass rusher.😩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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