Leslie Frazier "taking a year off from coaching" per Bills PR

[FireChans]

Just now, Meatloaf63 said:

Did you watch the game? Did you see the wide open drops their receivers had? How may points did they put up against the jets? If you felt comfortable at any point that we were in control and were absolutely positive we were going to win you are nothing but a liar. But keep up the personal attacks cause they make you appear so smart👍

So your point is "they pretty much got stuffed by the Jets the week before" except the Bills held them to less yards, 3rd down conversions, and first downs?

 

Skylar Thompson had a passer rating of 76 against the Jets.  He had a passer rating of 44 against the Bills.

 

The Dolphins put up points because the Bills gave them points with sloppy play, mostly on the offensive end.

 

Also, the Jets LOST.  Should they have been comfortable all game "STUFFING" them? 

 

Everything you said is wrong.  And you're doubling down on it now.  Don't take it personally, but if you're this good at something, you should never do it for free.  lmao

[Meatloaf63]

5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The defense played very well. The 3 turnovers by the offense (one for a defensive TD), big PR and kickoff out of bounds gave Miami fantastic opportunities. 
 

Miami had 231 total yards, 16 first downs and only converted 25% of their 3rd downs… that doesn’t equal 31 points 😂

 

Their scoring drives started on…

 

MIA 40 (FG) Kick of OOB

BUF 48 (FG) INT returned 49 YDS

BUF 27 (FG) Punt returned 50 YDS

BUF 18 (TD) INT returned 29 YDS

BUF 30 (TD) Fumble Returned

MIA 25 (TD) 

 

But yeah… defense sucked. 

Did you watch the game? It wasn’t Buffalo’s defense as much as it was receivers dropping wide open passes and not having their number one back. They had a chance to win on the final drive with Skylar at Qb. A top defense should have held them scoreless or to a field goal at best. Judging a game on stats is foolish, watching it told a completely different story. Buffalo’s defense was far from impressive considering they had a third string Qb, missing their starting running back and missing 3 offensive linemen. If that performance impressed you I have nothing else to say. 

[pigpen65]

Whatever. Nice way to get rid of your friend I guess but McD still got rid of him. Now do Dorsey

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Did you watch the game? It wasn’t Buffalo’s defense as much as it was receivers dropping wide open passes and not having their number one back. They had a chance to win on the final drive with Skylar at Qb. A top defense should have held them scoreless or to a field goal at best. Judging a game on stats is foolish, watching it told a completely different story. Buffalo’s defense was far from impressive considering they had a third string Qb, missing their starting running back and missing 3 offensive linemen. If that performance impressed you I have nothing else to say. 

231 yards, multiple short fields, two offensive touchdowns and a 25% 3rd down conversion rate. 
 

They did hold them scoreless on their final drive… 
 

I was at the game in person and the stats tell you exactly what happened. They had trouble moving the ball and were aided by short fields. If we didn’t gift them the ball on the 18 and a defensive TD… it would’ve been FG and punts all day. They weren’t going to sustain drives - Josh Allen helped them out a ***** ton. 

[Meatloaf63]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So your point is "they pretty much got stuffed by the Jets the week before" except the Bills held them to less yards, 3rd down conversions, and first downs?

 

Skylar Thompson had a passer rating of 76 against the Jets.  He had a passer rating of 44 against the Bills.

 

The Dolphins put up points because the Bills gave them points with sloppy play, mostly on the offensive end.

 

Also, the Jets LOST.  Should they have been comfortable all game "STUFFING" them? 

 

Everything you said is wrong.  And you're doubling down on it now.  Don't take it personally, but if you're this good at something, you should never do it for free.  lmao

I get it, you’re impressed by stats and a Buffalo defense shutting down a third string Qb missing over half his o line and top running back. The difference of the game was Waddle dropping a wide open pass that cost them 7 points. Ohh you so impressed me with your stats. Anyone who isn’t a🤡 that watched  the game knows we very well could have lost. But you keep looking at the stats, you certainly have proven you really know what you are talking about stat boy…

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

I get it, you’re impressed by stats and a Buffalo defense shutting down a third string Qb missing over half his o line and top running back. The difference of the game was Waddle dropping a wide open pass that cost them 7 points. Ohh you so impressed me with your stats. Anyone who isn’t a🤡 that watched  the game knows we very well could have lost. But you keep looking at the stats, you certainly have proven you really know what you are talking about stat boy…

White flag.  God I love TBD.

[Meatloaf63]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

231 yards, multiple short fields, two offensive touchdowns and a 25% 3rd down conversion rate. 
 

They did hold them scoreless on their final drive… 
 

I was at the game in person and the stats tell you exactly what happened. They had trouble moving the ball and were aided by short fields. If we didn’t gift them the ball on the 18 and a defensive TD… it would’ve been FG and punts all day. They weren’t going to sustain drives - Josh Allen helped them out a ***** ton. 

Cause being at the game tells a different story than watching on tv gotcha👍 I guess you were at the bathroom when Waddle dropped an easy 60 yard toss and run for a TD along with Hill out of character dropping balls. Tell me are you impressed that the Bills stopped a 3rd string Qb in his first playoff game? I bet you are,  that tells us more than the stats you gave do.

It’s  really impressive that so many of you are satisfied with level of play our defense came up with against a team decimated by injuries on the road in a seriously hostile environment.  Going down to the last two minutes to secure victory. 

[Beast]

44 minutes ago, par73 said:

Time for a fresh look and new perspective. Not sure if that happens , though, if McDermott just assumes the duties. Hope there is an outside hire.

McDermott is not going to let someone take his defense over that doesn’t share his own views.

[mjt328]

Leslie Frazier deserves a lot of blame for our disappointing playoff exits the last 4 seasons.

Does he deserve all the blame?  Does he deserve most of the blame?  That's a tough question to answer, because nobody really knows how much of the decision-making falls on him vs. Sean McDermott.

 

Also... replacing a coach is only a good thing IF you can manage to land an upgrade.  This does not seem to be a planned exit by our front office.  And at this point, most of the better options have been snatched up.  Which is not ideal at all.

 

I understand why many fans are excited.  But I'm not so sure.

 

[RyanC883]

7 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Leslie Frazier deserves a lot of blame for our disappointing playoff exits the last 4 seasons.

Does he deserve all the blame?  Does he deserve most of the blame?  That's a tough question to answer, because nobody really knows how much of the decision-making falls on him vs. Sean McDermott.

 

Also... replacing a coach is only a good thing IF you can manage to land an upgrade.  This does not seem to be a planned exit by our front office.  And at this point, most of the better options have been snatched up.  Which is not ideal at all.

 

I understand why many fans are excited.  But I'm not so sure.

 

 

Agree with your points but I think it was planned, the Holcomb hire.  

[Shaw66]

6 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Also... replacing a coach is only a good thing IF you can manage to land an upgrade.  This does not seem to be a planned exit by our front office.  And at this point, most of the better options have been snatched up.  Which is not ideal at all.

 

I understand why many fans are excited.  But I'm not so sure.

 

Oh, this hasn't happened without the Bills having a plan.  If they didn't think that the plan for the future is something that promises to make things better, the Bills wouldn't have let Frazier take the time off.   They would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse, in a monetary and workload sense.   The Bills have a plan, for sure.   Beyond that, it just seems like there's no way this was anything but an orchestrated way to let Frazier down gently.   If it wasn't initiated by the Bills, it certainly was encouraged.   

 

As someone else suggested, and apparently Beane intimated, is that part of the plan is that McDermott will be more involved.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

This entire offseason feels like a new beginning now. Fraizer has held us back for 3 full seasons, this is the best thing imaginable for us. Never thought it would happen. I think we can finish this whole thing now. Thank god this happened 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

10 hours ago, arcane said:

The defense was excellent in the Ravens game. It was good in the Dolphins and Pats games. It was bad in the Bengals game, and horrific against two chiefs teams. The first chiefs loss had a lot to do with the DL issues that caused our defense to be gashed all year, they weren't a good unit that season. And a lot of players had deer in headlight moments that game. I don't really pin that one on coaching, that was a team learning what that big moment is like. 

 

But I'm happy to move on as well, I just think Bills fans take things far too extreme when they like or don't like something 

 

The histrionics on this board this offseason have been as unbearable as they are hyperbolic

“unbearable”

5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This entire offseason feels like a new beginning now. Fraizer has held us back for 3 full seasons, this is the best thing imaginable for us. Never thought it would happen. I think we can finish this whole thing now. Thank god this happened 

who called the timeouts during 13 seconds allowing KC to adjust. There’s audio to go with the video in case you need more proof 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Anyone believe Leslie Frazier is returning to coaching after a year off?
 

Why does this organization continue to lack transparency with its fan base?

 

I understand withholding certain things, but not in a situation like last year after 13 seconds and now this offseason starts with them straight up lying to us. 

[Perk71]

I'm convinced some posters here are not Bills fans.  Frazier's contract expired, time to move on.  Simple.

 

Go Bills!!

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 minutes ago, Perk71 said:

I'm convinced some posters here are not Bills fans.  Frazier's contract expired, time to move on.  Simple.

 

Go Bills!!

If it’s so simple then why don’t they just say that?

[Green Lightning]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

This is changing the subject. You said they scored at will; they did not.

Gosh sue me. Not at will but hung 24 of their 31 points on us on offense with a rookie last string QB. 

[chongli]

14 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

If it’s so simple then why don’t they just say that?

 

Maybe they wanted to preserve his future job opportunities and let him go in a non-negative way? Not sure.

[BillMafia716ix]

Leslie Frazier is a class act and did a very good job from the day he was hired. I expect we will promote from within. New Coordinator, with Edmunds and Poyer potentially gone as well. Defense will definitely look a whole lot different.

[RiotAct]

41 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This entire offseason feels like a new beginning now. Fraizer has held us back for 3 full seasons, this is the best thing imaginable for us. Never thought it would happen. I think we can finish this whole thing now. Thank god this happened 

yeah I’m cautiously optimistic here.  We could do a LOT worse than Frazier.

[Nextmanup]

27 minutes ago, Perk71 said:

I'm convinced some posters here are not Bills fans.  Frazier's contract expired, time to move on.  Simple.

 

Go Bills!!

 

21 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

If it’s so simple then why don’t they just say that?

Definitely not that simple, but we aren't going to know the true story for a long time...if we ever do.

 

The way it's been handled is weird, but I'm just happy he won't be around next year.

 

Now, about that OC problem of ours....

 

 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Anyone believe Leslie Frazier is returning to coaching after a year off?

 

Don’t know.  Doubt Frazier knows either, at this point.  A lot depends on why he’s doing it.  Medical?  Family?  Gap year to ensure time to study and reflect?  Polite way of being forced out?  All of those reasons could have for/against arguments

 

3 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Why does this organization continue to lack transparency with its fan base?

 

why do some fans feel the organization owes them anything but football games and reporter access to ask questions?

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[Thrivefourfive]

Anyone have a feeling the defensive scheme will be exactly the same..? My hope has not been captured yet. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I am ok moving on but Frazier deserves some respect.   Over his 6 years the bills gave up the fewest yards and second fewest points in the league.   The performance in big spots can be judged but he is largely under appreciated.  

[Victory Formation]

Would Mike Pettine come back to Buffalo as our DC? I would love to see a fusion between the two schemes.

[Einstein's Dog]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I am ok moving on but Frazier deserves some respect.   Over his 6 years the bills gave up the fewest yards and second fewest points in the league.   The performance in big spots can be judged but he is largely under appreciated.  

True, Frazier had some good results overall.  But I was harboring some of the feelings a lot of others on here had - 1.  His bend but don't break base set was kind of annoying, and 2.  The Playoff problems.

 

I wonder/hope if this move might also signal that the FO is considering moving some resources to emphasis offense a little more.  For instance, letting Edmunds and Poyer leave and contemplate seeing what they can get for Oliver.  And instead invest in OL, WR, and maybe RB.

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

Definitely not that simple, but we aren't going to know the true story for a long time...if we ever do.

 

The way it's been handled is weird, but I'm just happy he won't be around next year.

 

Now, about that OC problem of ours....

 

 

 

Well I still get the feeling it could be just a respectful gesture by both sides as a way for parting ways.....

 

And I'm aware what Beane said etc...but I still feel that's possibly what it is. 

[Patrick Duffy]

10 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I am ok moving on but Frazier deserves some respect.   Over his 6 years the bills gave up the fewest yards and second fewest points in the league.   The performance in big spots can be judged but he is largely under appreciated.  

 

I think most ppl definitely has plenty of respect for him, I mean he's earned that for sure....that said while many have much respect they also feel like it's time to move on

[Steptide]

I'm obviously late to the party, as this is page 34, but next year we're really gonna see if our defensive woes were really Fraizer, or a product of something else 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Frazier will be McDermott’s DC in 2024, but it won't be in Buffalo. And for those saying it took Reid 20 years to win, Josh Allen doesn’t have 20 years to play. 

I was going to post the LOL emoji. But then I thought: hey, this kind of makes sense. McD wins (at least makes the SB) without Frazier, he doesn't need him. McD fails to get to the SB again, he's good as gone, and Leslie is part of the package deal for his next stop.

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Cause being at the game tells a different story than watching on tv gotcha👍 I guess you were at the bathroom when Waddle dropped an easy 60 yard toss and run for a TD along with Hill out of character dropping balls. Tell me are you impressed that the Bills stopped a 3rd string Qb in his first playoff game? I bet you are,  that tells us more than the stats you gave do.

It’s  really impressive that so many of you are satisfied with level of play our defense came up with against a team decimated by injuries on the road in a seriously hostile environment.  Going down to the last two minutes to secure victory. 

You asked if I watched the game… I said I was there… it was an answer to your question. No idea why you’re being so hostile with me in particular. 
 

I’m not disputing that they *could* have lost the game. I disagree with where you’re placing the blame for the potential loss and am using evidence to support my stance. If they lost to Miami, it would not have been on the defense.

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by JGMcD2

[purple haze]

12 hours ago, dma0034 said:

Wonder who they'll get for DC. I'm happy, I can't stand Frazier

 

Some coach who believes in the philosophy Sean McDermott believes in.  

[finn]

I wouldn't be surprised if he signs with another team as DC or position coach, after a short, face-saving interval. 

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

Gosh sue me. Not at will but hung 24 of their 31 points on us on offense with a rookie last string QB. 

After our offense kept giving the ball away and putting the D on short fields.  That part.

2 hours ago, ChasBB said:

Agree.  I have no problem generally trying to rush with only 4, but blitzes can be very effective scattered in here and there.  Not saying I want to see the team blitz all the time.  Just saying let's mix things up a bit at times and situations.

They do blitz.  Milano, Edmunds and Johnson.   Poyer sometimes.  Doesn’t always work but that doesn’t mean they don’t do it.

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Let’s also not forget the wide open bomb that Waddle dropped on their opening series, which would’ve changed the complexion of the game.  

Is the Frazier’s fault or the DB ‘s who dropped coverage? 🤔

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Sometimes the truth is toxic.

Sometimes the “truth” is some truth with a lot of BS mixed in.

[thunderingsquid]

Frazier gives coaching a "15 yard cushion"

[Buffalo Ballin]

This is bad. Hope Leslie Frazier is ok health wise.

 

I truly believe Beane and McDermott were going to keep him. Let's wait and see when the truth emerges regarding Frazier's year off. I hope it's not Cancer related.

[transplantbillsfan]

Good. This is the classy way to go about things.

 

Sorry for any Frazier defenders but our last 2 Postseason losses have really soured me on Frazier as a Sunday big game gameplanner.

 

The defensive gameplan against the Bengals was absolutely criminal.

 

McDermott or Babbich or the new guy we just brought in from Carolina all seem like good replacements.

Edited March 1, 2023 by transplantbillsfan

[Georgia Bill]

I sure hope next year at this time everybody's not sitting around griping about how much the defense sucked.  It seems like a lot of Bills fans are now spoiled and feel they deserve nothing less than a super bowl win.  Of course that's the goal, but getting incrementally better is a much safer approach than blowing things up.  We had a very good D.  Yes it didn't always look great in the playoffs but there you are playing the best offenses.  Having a top 5 D consistently is nothing to sneeze at and things might have been different this year without the Hyde and Von Miller injuries, to name a couple. 

 

Things don't always get better just because you want to celebrate change.  I'll hope for the best now that this is done.  Wishing Frazier the best and I'm thankful for what he did for our team.

[Thurman#1]

54 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

True, Frazier had some good results overall.  But I was harboring some of the feelings a lot of others on here had - 1.  His bend but don't break base set was kind of annoying, and 2.  The Playoff problems.

 

I wonder/hope if this move might also signal that the FO is considering moving some resources to emphasis offense a little more.  For instance, letting Edmunds and Poyer leave and contemplate seeing what they can get for Oliver.  And instead invest in OL, WR, and maybe RB.

 

 

The thing about the playoff problems is that we didn't have  playoff problems.

 

We had three games in the playoff problems. 

 

All three of those games were without Von Miller or any serious pass rush. 

 

Without the wave of defensive injuries it would very possibly have been an entirely different game on that side of the ball. Of course, the defense wasn't good against the Bengals but the offense was absolutely horrific. 

 

That was probably Frazier's fault too.