Who hoists the hardware first?

[GreggTX]

Who will do it first? Will it be the Bill's hoisting the Lombardi Trophy, the Sabres hoisting the Stanley Cup or neither?

[Xwnyer]

my hope is First Bills SB than Sabres hoisting cup.   Just worry will never see either happening 😞

[Not at the table Karlos]

Good question. That’s tough. The Bills are in their window but once the Sabres defense and goaltending develops/improves they’re going to be a force for years. They’re building something special.  
 

If I had to guess I would say Bills but I think both will have championships in the near future.
 

[KDIGGZ]

I chose the last option, but I do think one of them will statistically win one eventually, I just might not be alive to see it happen 😔

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Who will do it first? Will it be the Bill's hoisting the Lombardi Trophy, the Sabres hoisting the Stanley Cup or neither?

by not showing names in a poll like this you are setting it up for trolls.

 

we either have 11 trolls or 11 non bills fans voting. as a fan of both sports, i cant even put in my head that neither team will win it. 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

…i cant even put in my head that neither team will win it. 

I have been waiting 50+ years for one or the other to win it all, so you might want to “put it in your head”. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

I have been waiting 50+ years for one or the other to win it all, so you might want to “put it in your head”. 

So why do you watch if you believe it is impossible?

[chongli]

Remember the Bills were world champions in 1964 and 1965. The SB would start the next year in 1966.

[78thealltimegreat]

The Sabres haven’t made the playoffs in 11 years and have less points then a rebuilding red wings team. If you don’t pick the Bills I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe follow log rolling 🤷‍♂️

[dwight in philly]

13 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Who will do it first? Will it be the Bill's hoisting the Lombardi Trophy, the Sabres hoisting the Stanley Cup or neither?

Well , Im 70.. saw the Hockey Bisons win the AHL Championship in 62-63 , 69-70, and the Bills in 64 -66 two AFL Championships , and obviously both franchises made it close over the years.. i will believe it when i see it happen for one of them.. "13" seconds ,in  my opinion was the closest so far.. more so than wide right.. And will add another variable , even though, not in the context of the post..  The Buffalo Braves in the mid 70's/McAdoo years came real close.. if not for an official's BS call in a playoff game in Buffalo , very good chance , they would have won it all  in the NBA that year 

Edited February 18, 2023 by dwight in philly

[Success]

To the 30% saying neither team will ever win:

 

Josh Allen will not retire without a ring.  It is mathematically impossible.  

[Talley56]

No option for the Bulls winning the national championship?

[LabattBlue]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

So why do you watch if you believe it is impossible?

Did i say it was impossible?   Just said I have yet to see it in 50+ years of following the teams.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Imagine the parades when we win both the SB and Stanley Cup next season? It's going to be magical!

[US Egg]

Ace will be selling hardware for awhile longer before Bills or Sabres are hoisting any.

[Big Turk]

Honestly I think maybe the Sabres. They legit have at least 3 elite players right now in Thompson, Dahlin and Power and several other very good ones along with one of the deepest pipelines of talent in the NHL coming up if not THE deepest. I mean they are going to have a bunch of NHL ready players that might be stars that may have nowhere to play and be stuck in Rochester.

 

They could be contending for cups within 2 years.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Big Turk

[prissythecat]

2 hours ago, Success said:

To the 30% saying neither team will ever win:

 

Josh Allen will not retire without a ring.  It is mathematically impossible.  

 

I 'd like to see your proof showing the probability being close to zero lol

[PrimeTime101]

9 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I have been waiting 50+ years for one or the other to win it all, so you might want to “put it in your head”. 

same. point? I love my teams... and because I do, I will root for the best all the time. Def. not think like this.

8 hours ago, MJS said:

So why do you watch if you believe it is impossible?

this

[par73]

Neither. I've pretty much given up hope that it will happen in my lifetime.

[chongli]

11 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

by not showing names in a poll like this you are setting it up for trolls.

 

we either have 11 trolls or 11 non bills fans voting. as a fan of both sports, i cant even put in my head that neither team will win it. 

 

Have you read this forum since the loss to Cincy? Half of the people are negative about the Bills under McD and/or the Bills perpetually having bad luck. I didn't vote, but I am deciding between the options of nether, or the Bills win first. Having lived through Wide Right, the Music City Miracle, 13 seconds, 4th and 18, the last-second loss to the Chargers in the 1980 divisionals, 3 SB blowouts, etc., you can understand my pessimism.

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, chongli said:

 

Have you read this forum since the loss to Cincy? Half of the people are negative about the Bills under McD and/or the Bills perpetually having bad luck. I didn't vote, but I am deciding between the options of nether, or the Bills win first. Having lived through Wide Right, the Music City Miracle, 13 seconds, 4th and 18, the last-second loss to the Chargers in the 1980 divisionals, 3 SB blowouts, etc., you can understand my pessimism.

lived through it all and NEVER ONCE will i ever say "neither team will win it"

 

crazy talk.

[Buftex]

Sabres are winning it all this year! Just you wait!

[Mango]

6 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The Sabres haven’t made the playoffs in 11 years and have less points then a rebuilding red wings team. If you don’t pick the Bills I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe follow log rolling 🤷‍♂️

Interesting wording because they have more wins than DET and also played one less game. 

[Bob Malooga]

18 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The Sabres haven’t made the playoffs in 11 years and have less points then a rebuilding red wings team. If you don’t pick the Bills I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe follow log rolling 🤷‍♂️

Lmfao, this is hilarious and shows you nothing absolutely nothing about hockey...

The Red Wings were picked by everyone to finish ahead of the Sabres this season and make the playoffs. They accelerated their rebuild last summer by signing veteran free agents like David Perron, Andrew Copp, Ben Chiarot, Dominik Kubalik, Olli Maata, and Mark Pysyk. They also traded for Ville Husso. The Sabres are the youngest team in the league, with the oldest player in the league, so they're actually the youngest in the league by a bit if you take Craig Anderson away. But go off with your clownish statements that are just flat-out wrong.

Oh, and missing the playoffs for 11 years isn't as bad as missing the playoffs for 17 years, huh?

PS. The Bills front office can't draft well or sign good contracts, meanwhile the Sabres are crushing both.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Bubbles from Sunnyvale

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The Sabres haven’t made the playoffs in 11 years and have less points then a rebuilding red wings team. If you don’t pick the Bills I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe follow log rolling 🤷‍♂️

I picked neither 40+ years experience tells me so 

[SoCal Deek]

Wait! We’re TRYING to win a championship? Go figure! Who knew? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

In a few hundred years when global warming makes buffalo into a tropical paradise, the bills will finally win a superbowl at home (because Pegula stadium was the neutral site) 

[Nextmanup]

15 hours ago, Success said:

To the 30% saying neither team will ever win:

 

Josh Allen will not retire without a ring.  It is mathematically impossible.  

Hard disagree.  If that's your way of sayin "he's really good" I agree with you.

 

Dan Marino was really good too.  Played in the big dance in year 2 of his career.

Never won a ring.  To name one comp.  

 

Nothing is guaranteed and a lot has to come together to win it all, especially with our in-game coaching staff, which remains a liability.

 

 

[T master]

21 hours ago, chongli said:

Remember the Bills were world champions in 1964 and 1965. The SB would start the next year in 1966.

 

The Sabre's won the Presidents cup does that count for anything ?

[cle23]

21 hours ago, chongli said:

Remember the Bills were world champions in 1964 and 1965. The SB would start the next year in 1966.

 

AFL Champions, not NFL Champions. Cleveland won the NFL Championship in 64. The Bills joined the NFL in 70.

Edited February 19, 2023 by cle23

[uticaclub]

Sabres might be on the something, they should be a real contender in 2 or 3 years. If Josh wins a ring, it wont be with McDermott. There will always be hope with Allen but not with this coaching staff or front office

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’m a die hard bills fan from way down state…drive 7 hours each way to the stadium, Sunday ticket forever, listen to WGR every day, never miss a snap of the seasons. I’m Guna come at this from an alt end here being a big Rangers fan….stop. Stop trying to make the Sabres good. The Bills are among the Super Bowl favorites, I get it…people are having fun for some reason. The Sabres aren’t good. I’m sorry 

[chongli]

2 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

AFL Champions, not NFL Champions. Cleveland won the NFL Championship in 64. The Bills joined the NFL in 70.

 

Doesn't matter. The point is both teams were world champions. The AFL was not inferior to the NFL.

[Trogdor]

18 hours ago, Success said:

To the 30% saying neither team will ever win:

 

Josh Allen will not retire without a ring.  It is mathematically impossible.  

Dan Marino retired without a ring lol nothing is impossible. We probably have the same chance at being the Rivers Chargers as we do anything else. Unless you think the Chief's and Bengal's window is shutting quicker. 

[Success]

32 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Dan Marino retired without a ring lol nothing is impossible. We probably have the same chance at being the Rivers Chargers as we do anything else. Unless you think the Chief's and Bengal's window is shutting quicker. 

 

Yeah - I got a lot of "Marino" responses to my comment.  It's valid.  I try to be aspirational in my posting, but sometimes reality gets marginalized when I do that.

 

I'm curious about the Chiefs' window.  Like us or Cincy, it's kind of open as long as they have the QB they have.  But how long will Reid coach?  And Kelce is such a difference-maker for that offense.  He's approaching his mid-30s.  They'll still be a very tough team without either of those guys - but the dynamics will certainly shift. 

 

I'm still not buying much Bengals stock.  Maybe I'm just being stubborn. I look at that divisional round game as more of a case of the Bills not showing up that day, as opposed to Cincy being that far ahead of us.

 

[Trogdor]

Just now, Success said:

 

Yeah - I got a lot of "Marino" responses to my comment.  It's valid.  I try to be aspirational in my posting, but sometimes reality gets marginalized when I do that.

 

I'm curious about the Chiefs' window.  Like us or Cincy, it's kind of open as long as they have the QB they have.  But how long will Reid coach?  And Kelce is such a difference-maker for that offense.  He's approaching his mid-30s.  They'll still be a very tough team without either of those guys - but the dynamics will certainly shift. 

 

I'm still not buying much Bengals stock.  Maybe I'm just being stubborn. I look at that divisional round game as more of a case of the Bills not showing up that day, as opposed to Cincy being that far ahead of us.

 

I think the Chief's have a longer window because their GM is better. His drafts hit at an unusual rate and he is able to combine cheap rookie talent and veterans. The Bills haven't hit at all and are going to start losing the vet contributors because they can't afford it. I mean we have Dawson Knox paid in the top 10 and he isn't that at all. The Bengals though are going to have trouble when the WRs have to get paid and the results of that remain to be seen. 

[McBean]

19 hours ago, Success said:

To the 30% saying neither team will ever win:

 

Josh Allen will not retire without a ring.  It is mathematically impossible.  

We keep Sean McDermott he will retire without a ring.

 

Big facts.

 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

16 hours ago, Mango said:

Interesting wording because they have more wins than DET and also played one less game. 

When you’ aren’t bashing Allen you’re telling me the Sabres are a juggernaut interesting wording 

[cle23]

57 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Doesn't matter. The point is both teams were world champions. The AFL was not inferior to the NFL.

 

Except it was almost half the size, 14 to 8 teams.  I wouldn't call either "World Champions" given there were competing leagues.

[78thealltimegreat]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I picked neither 40+ years experience tells me so 

Well a portion of this board wants Allen traded so they can go back to looking at the draft every year so point taken. 

4 hours ago, Bob Malooga said:

Lmfao, this is hilarious and shows you nothing absolutely nothing about hockey...

The Red Wings were picked by everyone to finish ahead of the Sabres this season and make the playoffs. They accelerated their rebuild last summer by signing veteran free agents like David Perron, Andrew Copp, Ben Chiarot, Dominik Kubalik, Olli Maata, and Mark Pysyk. They also traded for Ville Husso. The Sabres are the youngest team in the league, with the oldest player in the league, so they're actually the youngest in the league by a bit if you take Craig Anderson away. But go off with your clownish statements that are just flat-out wrong.

Oh, and missing the playoffs for 11 years isn't as bad as missing the playoffs for 17 years, huh?

PS. The Bills front office can't draft well or sign good contracts, meanwhile the Sabres are crushing both.

the franchise that’s crushing everything is currently sitting checks notes 11th in the eastern conference with absolutely brutal part of their schedule ahead all part of the plan to become the next Edmonton Oilers let me guess Tuch is Gretzky…Thompson is Messier…Dahlin is Paul Coffey…Cousins is Jari Kurri…and Anderson is Grant Fuhr … etc yeh I kinda know a little about hockey 👍

Edited February 19, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat