Why isn't Frazier interviewing for Head Coaching positions?

[fasteddie]

I know it's a rhetorical question,  but why isn't our "beloved" D coordinator being interviewed for all of these head coaching positions?

I would think that the Bills would get a clue and see that no team would want him running their organization when he totally got outcoached for the last three playoff years.

Just wondering. 🤔

[LeGOATski]

Maybe he just wants to retire

[4th&long]

I think the answer is obvious. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I am sure it has nothing to do with his age of 63 I. A league where 3 guys have coached into their 70s.  How many 63 year old have ever been hired.  
 

Also could be that he is a defensive coach and most teams want an offensive coach.  also could be recency bias due to the last game.  Also maybe teams read this board and find out he is terrible.  

Edited January 26, 2023 by Matt_In_NH

[plenzmd1]

Lou Anarumo had zero interviews as well. 
 

Sure you can figure out why

 

 

[freddyjj]

Just remember that Marv Levy lied about his age in 1986 when he was hired by Bills as he was already 61 and thought being >60 would hurt his chances.  Have to believe Polian knew as he and Levy worked together in Montreal in CFL and Chicago in USFL.
 

Ageism might be the most prevalent form of discrimination in our society today. 

[dave mcbride]

He is old. His scheme is very old hat and not innovative (not necessarily a bad thing but also not a thing that “sells” you). He wasn’t particularly successful in Minnesota (21-32-1). And 11 of the past 12 championship game coaches and 8 of the last 8 SB coaches will have been offensive ones. Owners look at the numbers and want offensive guys.

17 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Lou Anarumo had zero interviews as well. 
 

Sure you can figure out why

 

 

Why? He is not that old. He has also overseen only one legit defense in his years as a DC: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/AnarLo0.htm

Edited January 26, 2023 by dave mcbride

[TampaBillsJunkie]

Because he is not that good. The Bills have one of the most talented defenses in the league, riddled with first round picks, especially on the DL. Yet we get no pressure on the QB and good teams and coaching scheme around us.  I just don't think Frazier is HC material. And neither is Dorsey. I don't mind if we bring in someone fresh to maximize our talents on offense and defense. I didn't think we'd miss Daboll so much, but we did. 

[Epstein's Mother]

9 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Ageism might be the most prevalent form of discrimination in our society today. 

 

There's so many to keep track of.

[Gregg]

23 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Lou Anarumo had zero interviews as well. 
 

Sure you can figure out why

 

 

 

This is surprising. He has done a good job. I know the 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans has turned down some interview requests. I would expect he will be getting a HC job once their season is over.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Gregg

[Beck Water]

56 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I am sure it has nothing to do with his age of 63 I. A league where 3 guys have coached into their 70s.  How many 63 year old have ever been hired.  
 

Also could be that he is a defensive coach and most teams want an offensive coach.  also could be recency bias due to the last game.  Also maybe teams read this board and find out he is terrible.  

 

This. 

 

Just look at the interview requests Lou Anarumo has gotten: 🦗

 

The current hiring trend is to hire inexperienced hot-shot offensive minds, either from the college ranks or from the staff of hot offensive teams.  I think last year, Matt Eberflaus was the only hire from the D side, and he was over-due and had been overlooked for interviews in previous years.   (OK, Lovie Smith with the Texans, but I think they're in their own world)

 

Nathaniel Hackett, Mike McDaniel, Kevin O'Connell, Brian Daboll.

 

14 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

This is surprising. He has done a good job. I know the 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans has turned down some interview requests. I would expect he will be getting a HC job once their season is over.

 

Who requested to interview Ryans that he turned down?

 

Oh, OK - turned down interviews with Colts and Arizona, accepted interviews with Broncos and Texans.  So he has interviewed.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/22/demeco-ryans-had-four-interviews-scheduled-but-he-canceled-two-of-them/

Edited January 26, 2023 by Beck Water

[plenzmd1]

17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He is old. His scheme is very old hat and not innovative (not necessarily a bad thing but also not a thing that “sells” you). He wasn’t particularly successful in Minnesota (21-32-1). And 11 of the past 12 championship game coaches and 8 of the last 8 SB coaches will have been offensive ones. Owners look at the numbers and want offensive guys.

Why? He is not that old. He has also overseen only one legit defense in his years as a DC: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/AnarLo0.htm

D coordinators are not favored right now as HC positions just because of the old “ continuity “ concern. 
 

NFL is an offensive league. Hire a D guy, and his offense performs , his offensive coordinator leaves for a HC position, and you have to start all over again with possibly new systems/schemes  etc. 

 

hire an offensive guy, he is guy calling plays and setting schemes etc, even if O coordinator gets hired somewhere else, scheme/ calls etc stay the same. 
 

That’s why very few D Coordinaters are getting interviews. Age/race/sex etc really has nothing to do with it. Nor does relative success. 

[BuffaloRebound]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

D coordinators are not favored right now as HC positions just because of the old “ continuity “ concern. 
 

NFL is an offensive league. Hire a D guy, and his offense performs , his offensive coordinator leaves for a HC position, and you have to start all over again with possibly new systems/schemes  etc. 

 

hire an offensive guy, he is guy calling plays and setting schemes etc, even if O coordinator gets hired somewhere else, scheme/ calls etc stay the same. 
 

That’s why very few D Coordinaters are getting interviews. Age/race/sex etc really has nothing to do with it. Nor does relative success. 

Yep.  Throw in 13 seconds and how bad the defense looked on Sunday, there’s no way Frazier is getting a head coaching job unless the Texans are looking for another guy to fire after a year.  

[dave mcbride]

8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

D coordinators are not favored right now as HC positions just because of the old “ continuity “ concern. 
 

NFL is an offensive league. Hire a D guy, and his offense performs , his offensive coordinator leaves for a HC position, and you have to start all over again with possibly new systems/schemes  etc. 

 

hire an offensive guy, he is guy calling plays and setting schemes etc, even if O coordinator gets hired somewhere else, scheme/ calls etc stay the same. 
 

That’s why very few D Coordinaters are getting interviews. Age/race/sex etc really has nothing to do with it. Nor does relative success. 

I thought you were suggesting he wasn’t getting interviews because he is old. My bad.

[Mark92]

I have read that his contract is up.  If this is the case I bet McDermott either keeps him on but has more control of the Defense himself or he lets him go and McDermott becomes HC / DC.  

The first thing McDermott did when he came to Buffalo was to sign Hyde and Poyer and draft White.  His style of defense obviously puts a lot of emphasis on safeties and corners.  I have to believe he would like them to be more aggressive.  

Edited January 26, 2023 by Mark92

[NoHuddleKelly12]

This history of having McD jump in to take away playcalling mid-game back in the day, can't help the cause much either...

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/17/buffalo-bills-play-calling-sean-mcdermott-leslie-frazier/

[boater]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

Ageism might be the most prevalent form of discrimination in our society today. 

It is. It is. Want to hear stories from my job search?

[Alphadawg7]

I mean did you watch the Bengals and Dolphin games?  It’s a what have you done for me lately league, and his defense struggled against a depleted Dolphins team and then utterly embarrassed by the Bengals.  Too much focus always on recency bias in this league.  You can be great one day and a problem the next.  

 

2 weeks ago McD was beloved, untouchable, had some COY support growing, and now has his head being called for.  Josh Allen was a top 2 QB by most standards 2 weeks ago…now he’s suddenly the new Phillip Rivers and people turning on him.  
 

A lot can change in 2 weeks in the NFL

Edited January 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Dubie54]

Who wants a washed up DC as their head coach. The 13 seconds debacle and the fact that he runs a soft defensive scheme. If the Bills don't move on from this guy my faith in the front office is gone. He should have been let go last year after the KC game.    

[Man with No Name]

McDermott should just be de facto d coordinator/head coach. can hire a new d coordinator just for that fresh set of eyes and ears.

 

bring in an o coordinator with full autonomy. I don't know who that can be. A great coordinator who has shown to be a failed head coach would be nice. somebody who we know isn't going anywhere. 

I have no idea who that is or if it exists. 

[T master]

If you look around the league there has been a changing of the guard when it comes to the HC most teams are trending toward younger Head Coaches .

 

Green Bay, Buffalo, the Bengals, Philly, Fins, & so on . I don't think that it is so much their resume it's that the league as a hole is going to a younger different change of thought which is the same as them saying the RB position is not nearly as important as it once was it's all about the passing game .

 

Which in every championship team they have had a good running game so all of that thought isn't 100% correct but the game it is a changing even in the coaching ranks !! 

[TheFunPolice]

the defense completely no-showed and let us down 3 playoffs in a row.

 

2020: Chiefs blew us out in AFCG

2021: 13 seconds plus 42 points to the Chiefs 

2022: total domination by the Bengals and their 3 backup OL 

 

It's a pattern at this point and IMO some one has to be accountable. Either all the 1st and 2nd round picks were bad picks or the coaches are not getting anything out of talented players. 

[BananaB]

Why haven’t we heard if they are bringing him back or not? I think that’s better question. Most people want a change

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Went to Disneyland? 🤔

[Brand J]

I don’t even want a demoted Frazier back as safeties coach. 

[MWK]

1. He was terrible in Minnesota

2. He's 63 years old

3. His defense is not that good and blows it in the playoffs. 

4. He is boring 

[Yobogoya!]

Look at the vacancies.

 

Texans— even that org can’t be dumb enough to try and sell Frazier as the follow up to Lovie Smith. 
 

Cards/ Broncos— Frazier is not the guy who’s going to rehab Murray or Wilson’s career. No chance. 
 

That only leaves the Panthers and Colts, and who knows how those two nimrod owners think. But as has been pointed out in this thread and elsewhere multiple times, teams want to go young and offensive for HC these days. It’s sad to say but realistically he only gets a shot from an owner who wants a one year fall guy placeholder, like Lovie was for the Texans this past year. 

[Fleezoid]

2 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Just remember that Marv Levy lied about his age in 1986 when he was hired by Bills as he was already 61 and thought being >60 would hurt his chances.  Have to believe Polian knew as he and Levy worked together in Montreal in CFL and Chicago in USFL.
 

Ageism might be the most prevalent form of discrimination in our society today. 

 

 

[goldenboy81]

Nobody wants his predictable soft defense,that's why he's still here.

Edited January 26, 2023 by goldenboy81

[HoofHearted]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

He is old. His scheme is very old hat and not innovative (not necessarily a bad thing but also not a thing that “sells” you). He wasn’t particularly successful in Minnesota (21-32-1). And 11 of the past 12 championship game coaches and 8 of the last 8 SB coaches will have been offensive ones. Owners look at the numbers and want offensive guys.

Why? He is not that old. He has also overseen only one legit defense in his years as a DC: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/AnarLo0.htm

Buffalo brought Quarters coverage to the NFL - before it was a "college" coverage that'd never work in the NFL... oops. Now it's a staple of every defense in the league. This schtick is getting old...

[BBills_88]

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

Buffalo brought Quarters coverage to the NFL - before it was a "college" coverage that'd never work in the NFL... oops. Now it's a staple of every defense in the league. This schtick is getting old...

Just like the wildcat  

[boater]

Reading the tea leaves: I think Frazier is staying.

 

They fired the Safeties Coach today ... usually the coordinator is let go before the position coaches.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

28 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Look at the vacancies.

 

Texans— even that org can’t be dumb enough to try and sell Frazier as the follow up to Lovie Smith. 
 

Cards/ Broncos— Frazier is not the guy who’s going to rehab Murray or Wilson’s career. No chance. 
 

That only leaves the Panthers and Colts, and who knows how those two nimrod owners think. But as has been pointed out in this thread and elsewhere multiple times, teams want to go young and offensive for HC these days. It’s sad to say but realistically he only gets a shot from an owner who wants a one year fall guy placeholder, like Lovie was for the Texans this past year. 

Well, Frazier would be the exact opposite of Saturday in Indy, and we all know how much Irsay likes to make moves against the grain of public opinion, so...

[AlfaBill]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Maybe he just wants to retire

His contract is up. Why not announce and let the Bills get in on the hiring now?

[BillsFanSD]

2 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Ageism might be the most prevalent form of discrimination in our society today. 

As I've gotten older, I've swung around strongly to the view that age discrimination should be perfectly legal.  The idea that people don't slow down as they age is just nuts.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I mean did you watch the Bengals and Dolphin games?  It’s a what have you done for me lately league, and his defense was carved up by a depleted Dolphins team and then utterly embarrassed by the Bengals.  Too much focus always on recency bias in this league.  You can be great one day and a problem the next.  

 

2 weeks ago McD was beloved, untouchable, had some COY support growing, and now has his head being called for.  Josh Allen was a top 2 QB by most standards 2 weeks ago…now he’s suddenly the new Phillip Rivers and people turning on him.  
 

A lot can change in 2 weeks in the NFL

The Dolphins put up 15 points (they were gifted 16 by the Bills offense and ST) and averaged less than 4 yards per play! The QB had a rating of 31.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, Man with No Name said:

McDermott should just be de facto d coordinator/head coach. can hire a new d coordinator just for that fresh set of eyes and ears.

 

bring in an o coordinator with full autonomy. I don't know who that can be. A great coordinator who has shown to be a failed head coach would be nice. somebody who we know isn't going anywhere. 

I have no idea who that is or if it exists. 

 

I seriously doubt they'll get rid of Dorsey since Allen put up about the exact same stats when Daboll was here not that I agree with it but for those hoping for a new OC may be disappointed. If he stays OC (I believe he will) then I hope he gets more creative with screens to RB's and also incorporate TE Dawson Know alot more, this guy should be on Travis Kelce type of level but his brother passing away clearly had an affect on him and understandably so. Lets hope for bigger things in 2023-2024

[NoHuddleKelly12]

30 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

As I've gotten older, I've swung around strongly to the view that age discrimination should be perfectly legal.  The idea that people don't slow down as they age is just nuts.

But sneaky old man game is a real thing too!  The biggest asset with age (normally), would be wealth of experience, insight and know-how. Of course there will be exceptions to any rule.   

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, fasteddie said:

I know it's a rhetorical question,  but why isn't our "beloved" D coordinator being interviewed for all of these head coaching positions?

I would think that the Bills would get a clue and see that no team would want him running their organization when he totally got outcoached for the last three playoff years.

Just wondering. 🤔

Same reasons he hasn’t been hired as a HC in the past.  His past as a HC was poor.  He’s old.  His defense failed his team in season ending losses. 
 

I don’t see why anyone would ever hire him to be the HC unless it was a David Culley/Lovie Smith type hire.  Placeholder 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Maybe he just wants to retire

God we could only hope. If he returns I will lose it.

3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

But sneaky old man game is a real thing too!  The biggest asset with age (normally), would be wealth of experience, insight and know-how. Of course there will be exceptions to any rule.   

With old age also comes stubborn behavior.