Josh Allen Bashers, what's your solution?

[Eastport bills]

10 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Welp, I've been reading up on the board, and it looks like Allen had another TERRIBLE GAME, with the Bills winning DESPITE HIM for the 8th game in a row. 

 

3 Fumbles!  2 INTS!  Completions under 60%!  This guy is a liability. 

 

BAD JOSH!  I'm tired of HERO BALL.  The ARM ARROGANCE.  352 Yards with long shots to Diggs, Davis and Shakir just don't make up for it. Neither does the perfectly placed TD pass to Knox.  Or the timely run to pick up a key 1st down.  This guy does not deserve a roster spot, let alone a game ball. 

 

It's time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week, because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

Don’t embarrass yourself with these silly posts. “Its time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY “ You’re just a pathetic, frustrated Bears fan who gets some sick pleasure out of trolling a winning board. Try and absorb this, Josh had a couple of picks, one being a tip that was right in Beasley’s chest and the other a ball that Smoke never made an attempt on. The strip sack was on him and he owned it. More importantly, after the strip sack and score, how did Josh respond? Two TD drives with a perfect pass to Davis. Long story short ChicagoDick, Bills advance to Divisional rd,at home after their 8th straight win. Try and restrict your comment to weather conditions or tailgating.

[BillzFreak]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

If no one is ever allowed to criticize Josh Allen or point out times when he makes boneheaded plays, it's gonna be a loooooong decade around here.

Josh Allen is the primary reason the Bills are yearly Super Bowl contenders.

Josh Allen sometimes makes really dumb decisions, disregards situational football, and needlessly puts the ball in harm's way.

Both of these things can be true!

It is OKAY to point out that Josh Allen -- despite being an elite franchise quarterback who may go down as the best the Bills have ever had -- sometimes makes bad plays, sometimes costs the team points, sometimes keeps lesser opponents in games with his carelessness. It's OKAY! It's OKAY to critique your quarterback! It doesn't make you any less of a fan!

The "no one is allowed to badmouth Josh Allen" hero worship is ridiculous.

 

I agree with this 100%. But let's be honest people take there criticism to the next level around here, don't forget a few weeks back we were hearing the whole crowd of people who were saying maybe we should bench Josh for a game or 2  and let Case play. Yes Josh has struggled this year and has done some things that he shouldn't in games but that can be said for every Qb in the league. Pointing out mistakes is fine but calling for a benching is definitely next level buffonery.

[Sestak4ever]

I'll take Josh over any other qb in this league and will ride with him, win or lose, until he decides to call it a career. He has brought more joy and hope to this franchise than anyone I can remember, and I go back to the Jack Kemp, Lou Saban teams. He also is as important to the WNY community off the field. He is our general and would not want anyone leading us in battle. Go Bills!!🏈🍻

[Logic]

16 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

I agree with this 100%. But let's be honest people take there criticism to the next level around here, don't forget a few weeks back we were hearing the whole crowd of people who were saying maybe we should bench Josh for a game or 2  and let Case play. Yes Josh has struggled this year and has done some things that he shouldn't in games but that can be said for every Qb in the league. Pointing out mistakes is fine but calling for a benching is definitely next level buffonery.

Well I definitely agree with that. I haven't read through all the pages of foolishness in response to yesterday's game, but I'm sure a lot of it is over the top.

Anyone calling for him to be benched or not conceding that he is, overall, an elite quarterback and the main reason the Bills win games, is being silly. On the other hand, I see far too much pushback any time anyone says ANYTHING negative about Josh Allen.

Yesterday was Allen's sixth game in 17 starts this season with at least two turnovers. Fans should be allowed to point out that Josh needs to be better than that if the Bills want to win championships. That's all. It's not crime or heresy to critique Josh Allen. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Logic

[Warriorspikes51]

does anyone know what Matt Stafford's stats were in the Rams SB run last year? Would be interesting comparison to Allen 

[Riverboat Ritchie]

10 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

I don’t blame Allen. But he needs a better line. 

A lot of things can be true at once. W/o Josh there is a very little chance we are in the playoffs, our o line is a liability and Josh needs to do better protecting the ball. 

[Shemp]

Go back to the film of the Rams game. Quick passes for the most part, under 3 seconds. Mix in the running game that's developed over the year and there's the formula. 

I'd like to see more no-huddle offense too. Quicken the pace.

 

I worry about manchild Josh. Time after time he steps back and chucks it middle or long, like back in the old neighborhood. They need to shorten his game and put him on a bit of a leash. Allen seems like he's calling his own shots and over and over, there's no variety. Not impressed with Dorsey. There's a reason he's not on the sideline like other OC's. I'd get a new OC next year. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Blah Blah

[Playoffs?]

1 minute ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

A lot of things can be true at once. W/o Josh there is a very little chance we are in the playoffs, our o line is a liability and Josh needs to do better protecting the ball. 

No doubt!

We win or lose with Josh’s successes or failures.  Ultimately he is the biggest reason we are where we are… and I wouldn’t trade him for the world.. warts and all. 
 

But if we want the very best version of Josh, we need a top level O-Line. Plain and simple. And we are so far from that. 
Josh’s turnovers would drop significantly if he wasn’t playing pressured, or feeling the need to go hero-ball style. Also, a consistent running game takes that heat off too. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, Blah Blah said:

Go back to the film of the Rams game. Quick passes for the most part, under 3 seconds. Mix in the running game that's developed over the year and there's the formula. 

I'd like to see more no-huddle offense too. Quicken the pace.

 

I worry about manchild Josh. Time after time he steps back and chucks it middle or long, like back in the old neighborhood. They need to shorten his game and put him on a bit of a leash. Allen seems like he's calling his own shots and over and over, there's no variety. Not impressed with Dorsey. There's a reason he's not on the sideline like other OC's. I'd get a new OC next year. 

This complaint after the dolphins game baffles me but I’d agree with it in some prior games…he threw maybe one risky low percentage deep pass that ironically hit diggs right in the hands.  Everyone else was open(not sure what happened on the brown play but he definitely had a step then seemed to run the wrong route)…the dolphins were jamming everyone/flooding the middle and trying to single cover the outside receivers.

 

they were daring us to go deep and just hoping josh couldn’t connect on the throws or the pass rush would get home. Coverage was tight on a lot of the underneath throws

[Mark Vader]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

My solution is we HAVE to stop turning the ball over. 

 

The OC needs to help him, but Josh needs to make better decisions. He said it himself after the game. He can't keep putting the team in bad positions. 

 

Last night was the full Josh Allen Experience. Incredible plays and bonehead mistakes. That is enough to get past a poor Miami team. But if you give Joe Burrow 7 points and another 4 short fields (2 on offense, 2 on STs) you will lose.  

Yes, the turnovers were killers. Also, Tyler Bass' kickoff out of bounds was bad as well.

 

How many time consuming, sustained touchdown drives did the Dolphins have yesterday? One!

 

The frustrating thing is look at how good the offense was doing in the first quarter. Granted, they had a short field from the Marlowe interception, but they were capitalizing on mistakes from the Dolphins.

 

Yes, we need to mix things up some more. Just like that quick strike to Beasley that went for over 20 yards. How often did we see that this year?

[BuffaloBills1998]

8 hours ago, Airseven said:

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

I bet your one of the fans who wanted Rosen

[Mark Vader]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I bet your one of the fans who wanted Rosen

You're not going to get logic from this guy. He and @jkirchofer are false Bills fans.

 

[ChicagoRic]

55 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Don’t embarrass yourself with these silly posts. “Its time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY “ You’re just a pathetic, frustrated Bears fan who gets some sick pleasure out of trolling a winning board. Try and absorb this, Josh had a couple of picks, one being a tip that was right in Beasley’s chest and the other a ball that Smoke never made an attempt on. The strip sack was on him and he owned it. More importantly, after the strip sack and score, how did Josh respond? Two TD drives with a perfect pass to Davis. Long story short ChicagoDick, Bills advance to Divisional rd,at home after their 8th straight win. Try and restrict your comment to weather conditions or tailgating.

Dude, it's called SARCASM.  Now, as they said waaay back in the old Rochester D&C days:  Go shovel your driveway.

[CincyBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The media fixates on interceptions, but Allen is not a checkdown QB.

 

You want that offense, go watch the Chargers. 

Next season of course!

[Magox]

11 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

He needs to fix the mistakes and not press. The deep pick and the handoff to Cook that josh should have kept were big mistakes. Tbh, he needs to relearn how to take checkdowns. It ok to take 5 yards a pop. That will open up the intermediate and deep game and negate the blitz

 

Absolutely not.   It was that constant deep threat and the effectiveness of those deep plays that was torching the Dolphins.   The Dolphins were on cover 0 and 1 and were blitzing like hell and Josh was making them pay.   He is the best down the field thrower in the league and the reintroduction to that the past 2 games is exactly what this team, Josh Allen and Gabe Davis needs to make teams pay.    

 

The Josh Brown int was a miscommunication between the two.   The only real costly mistake that was on Josh that game was the fumble, that one was on him.  

 

Also, the dropped passes were huge.  The drop by Knox I think sort of took the sails out of the offense and what they were doing....And then the drop by Shakir was huge, it was 17-9 at that time, very real chance if he catches that, that the Bills go into half either 24-9 or 20-9.   Much different looking game.

[CincyBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Fun fact - THREE of our 5 WRs today - one is a rookie that hardly plays and the other 2 just rejoined the team a month ago.   

 

Josh Allen continues to do more and asked to do more with less then any QB. 

 

Not only did they just join the team a month ago but both of them were in street clothes before coming here. What's amazing is that Allen has thrown TD passes to both of them!

 

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Whenever I read the Josh Allen BS, I always think of this... when you have a QB with guts and who takes chances, sometimes you lose but sometimes you win the whole damn thing.

 

 

[Ramza86]

11 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Welp, I've been reading up on the board, and it looks like Allen had another TERRIBLE GAME, with the Bills winning DESPITE HIM for the 8th game in a row. 

 

3 Fumbles!  2 INTS!  Completions under 60%!  This guy is a liability. 

 

BAD JOSH!  I'm tired of HERO BALL.  The ARM ARROGANCE.  352 Yards with long shots to Diggs, Davis and Shakir just don't make up for it. Neither does the perfectly placed TD pass to Knox.  Or the timely run to pick up a key 1st down.  This guy does not deserve a roster spot, let alone a game ball. 

 

It's time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week, because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

 

While he was the reason they won. He was also the reason we almost lost to a 3rd string QB.

 

There was a reason in the post game speech he thanked the team 3 times.

 

I want Josh to play hero ball when its needed. Always. I saw some plays where Josh should have just checked it down. 

 

He was feeling himself and he got a little carried away with the deep shots. (Although most of them were nice balls) Then he got rattled in the 2nd and early 3rd qtr. He needed that big run to get himself poised again towards the end of the game.

[Eastport bills]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

Don’t embarrass yourself with these silly posts. “Its time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY “ You’re just a pathetic, frustrated Bears fan who gets some sick pleasure out of trolling a winning board. Try and absorb this, Josh had a couple of picks, one being a tip that was right in Beasley’s chest and the other a ball that Smoke never made an attempt on. The strip sack was on him and he owned it. More importantly, after the strip sack and score, how did Josh respond? Two TD drives with a perfect pass to Davis. Long story short ChicagoDick, Bills advance to Divisional rd,at home after their 8th straight win. Try and restrict your comment to weather conditions or tailgating.

Sorry, jumped the gun. I didn’t realize you were responding to some delusional posters. My apologies.

[Paup 1995MVP]

11 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The media fixates on interceptions, but Allen is not a checkdown QB.

 

You want that offense, go watch the Chargers. 

Exactly.  Allen is a gunslinger.  He lets it rip.  If Shakir catches the deep ball in the 2nd qtr and Knox catches the TD that the refs ruled was trapped, the game would have been pretty much over.  The TD passes to Knox and to Davis were perfect throws.  As was the long ball to Diggs.  With Josh at QB we always have a chance regardless of where we are on the field.

[Norcalbillsfan]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

The Dolphins defensive gameplan dictated that we throw the ball deep a lot. The problem is three deep throws bounced off the hands of Davis, Diggs, and Shakir, and on another one John Brown stopped running his route and it got picked. That's too many missed opportunities. We honestly should have scored like 50 points in this game and that's only because of Allen's arm talent.

Yes, it was a dangerous gamble that almost paid off for the dolphins. Everyone thinking it was just josh playing hero ball all game doesn't get that the fins sacrificed the deep ball (though there was a few times the check down was there). Fins blitzed heavily, and gave the bills wrs outside leverage for the deep ball all game. The fins knew if they could force deep routes, force the rbs to stay and protect, and see if josh can hit the deep shot with pressure in his face. If the bills recievers caught those balls this game got out of hand quick for the fins, but drops in pivotal moments continues to kill the bills momentum.

[ngbills]

12 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Welp, I've been reading up on the board, and it looks like Allen had another TERRIBLE GAME, with the Bills winning DESPITE HIM for the 8th game in a row. 

 

3 Fumbles!  2 INTS!  Completions under 60%!  This guy is a liability. 

 

BAD JOSH!  I'm tired of HERO BALL.  The ARM ARROGANCE.  352 Yards with long shots to Diggs, Davis and Shakir just don't make up for it. Neither does the perfectly placed TD pass to Knox.  Or the timely run to pick up a key 1st down.  This guy does not deserve a roster spot, let alone a game ball. 

 

It's time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week, because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

Dont be so sensitive. There are high expectations when you are the best. Josh said it himself he was not happy with his play. We have moved well past the that was a great effort everyone gets an award era. Josh knows he needs to get better to Beat KC or CIN. And I wont say all but 99.9% of people on here that say Josh had a bad game are not saying get rid of him. 

1 hour ago, Blah Blah said:

Go back to the film of the Rams game. Quick passes for the most part, under 3 seconds. Mix in the running game that's developed over the year and there's the formula. 

I'd like to see more no-huddle offense too. Quicken the pace.

 

I worry about manchild Josh. Time after time he steps back and chucks it middle or long, like back in the old neighborhood. They need to shorten his game and put him on a bit of a leash. Allen seems like he's calling his own shots and over and over, there's no variety. Not impressed with Dorsey. There's a reason he's not on the sideline like other OC's. I'd get a new OC next year. 

I am with you here. Need to pick up the pace on offense. Go no huddle, take the quick shots, mix in run and play action. When we catch them sneaking up you go deep. Way too many slow developing routes. Way too much bunch formation. Way too predictable. 

[LabattBlue]

I don’t think it has to be Josh is a gunslinger and you just have to accept his reckless style.  I think his mindset and the mindset of the coaches should be, tone it down, and take better care of the ball.  Not every pass has to be gunslinger Josh. 
 

Josh plays that same game at any point for the rest of the playoffs, and there is a very good chance the Bills lose. 

[quinnearlysghost88]

4 hours ago, Chaos said:

How does he do it? Josh Allen's offense put up 34 points yesterday with three turnovers (call it 27 if you want to deduct 7 for not eating the fumble). Joe Burrows no interception team put up 17 points yesterday.  34 points should be sufficient to win most NFL games.  17 points is not.  

During the course of the season Burrows, Allen and Mahomes were all among league leaders in interceptions.  Why are these teams not cellar dwellers? 

The 1970's caveman mind set the is pervasive on this board seems to believe that a time consuming drive where they other team takes possession of the ball at their own 20 after a punt is a great offensive outcome, but a pick off in the endzone brought out to the 20 is an epic disaster.  In fact, these are identical outcomes.   Understanding that, is how you learn that a QB putting up 34 points with two interceptions had a good game (not great, but good).  

True. The issue I’ve seen this year is Josh is making really good heroic plays for TDs but had to do that because he put us behind the 8 ball earlier in the game. He’s cleaning up his own mess. Maybe if he played cleaner earlier, we wouldn’t have to keep sweating 4th quarters. 

[PrimeTime101]

this thread is a never-ending liability. 

[NoSaint]

It can be a grey issue instead of black and white. 
 

you don’t try to turn favre into brees or Bree’s into favre but you can work on softening either one’s pain points (picking a random gunslinger and a random dink and dunker)

[All_Pro_Bills]

The Bills offensive approach is high risk, high reward.  And suddenly Allen seems to have lost the ability to pick the right spots to take the risky play.  I hate to use the word "problem" because even with all the turnovers and execution miscues, they still managed to put up 34 points.  I'm speculating here because I don't personally know either person, but to me the concern is the impact Dorsey is having on Josh.  Not just from a play calling standpoint but from an emotional and mental view in game preparation and play.  Dorsey by all observations is an emotional person.  Do you want your OC to be more jacked-up emotionally than your QB?  I think the difference between last year's Josh and this year's Josh is Daboll was an anchor keeping Josh level and focused while Dosey is a balloon lifting him off to a point where emotion takes over thinking.

Edited January 16, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[SoMAn]

I don’t consider it bashing. I believe we just see areas of his game that have occasionally gotten sloppy and if corrected, nobody will stand a chance against the offense. 
Josh admits it in every post-game press conference. How many times has he said there are mistakes they need to learn from. 
Don’t confuse our hope for continued improvement in his play as ‘bashing’. 

[jethro_tull]

I blame some of the playcalling that puts the O in must-pass situations too often.  

[LABILLBACKER]

12 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

He needs to fix the mistakes and not press. The deep pick and the handoff to Cook that josh should have kept were big mistakes. Tbh, he needs to relearn how to take checkdowns. It ok to take 5 yards a pop. That will open up the intermediate and deep game and negate the blitz

Daboll was 100% the calming influence that encouraged Josh the value of the checkdown (years 3 & 4), to go with the occassional bomb. Now sugar Josh & Dorsey are all in on fly route city.  Never saw Brady, Montana or Manning rely on this strategy. It's super fun and exciting to watch but in order to win a SB and minimize turnovers,  it's not sustainable. 

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, mjt328 said:

There needs to be balance to Josh Allen's play.  

It's possible for him to be extremely aggressive attacking downfield... but also have an element of patience and willingness to take some of the underneath stuff when it's left open.   It's possible for him to move around and escape defenders in the pocket... but also know when it's time to accept the play is dead, protect the ball and take the sack.  It doesn't necessarily have to be an "either/or" situation.

 

Right now, Allen's career trajectory is moving very similar to Brett Favre.

 

Favre had a big arm, with a gunslinger mentality.  Every Packer game was filled with highlights of incredible throws and jaw-dropping plays.  He was easily a Top 3 quarterback in the NFL for the majority of his career, and one of the game's premier faces.  The media adored him, and opponents feared him.  By his retirement, he had loaded up the stat books as the all-time touchdown leader.  First ballot Hall of Famer all the way.  

 

But from a TEAM perspective, the Packers were huge underachievers during Favre's career.  Over his 16 seasons in Green Bay, they won the division 7 times and made the playoffs 11 times.  Despite constantly being favorites to win the Lombardi, the team always seemed to get stuck in the playoffs... mostly because of Favre's erratic decision making and turnovers.  He particularly had trouble getting past the Dallas Cowboys (like us and the Chiefs).  Nobody can question Favre's toughness or greatness.  But the fact his team only made it to one Super Bowl (barely winning it), is definitely a huge disappointment.

 

The Farve comparison is good, but JA is a better QB IMO and the Bills have a pretty good organization around him.

We have to see how it all plays out in the end.

 

2 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:

I'll take Josh over any other qb in this league and will ride with him, win or lose, until he decides to call it a career. He has brought more joy and hope to this franchise than anyone I can remember, and I go back to the Jack Kemp, Lou Saban teams. He also is as important to the WNY community off the field. He is our general and would not want anyone leading us in battle. Go Bills!!🏈🍻

 

Daboll had Josh a bit on a leash and Dorsey is letting Josh be himself this year.  We will soon see if it works, and I wouldn't bet

against him.  Plenty of time to change the schemes in years to come.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

I blame some of the playcalling that puts the O in must-pass situations too often.  

Is it the play calling? A lot of times they run the ball on 1st down and loose yardage.

 

 

13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Daboll had Josh a bit on a leash and Dorsey is letting Josh be himself this year.  We will soon see if it works, and I wouldn't bet

against him.  Plenty of time to change the schemes in years to come.

 

I would say we already know the answer and that at a minimum it's worked out just as well and probably better.  Even if we lose on Sunday the Bills will have gone 14 - 4 and losing in the divisional round.  Last year they went 13 - 7 losing in the divisional round.  And all the offensive metrics are pretty much the same between the two seasons.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, ChasBB said:

I would give it about one half of football with Josh throwing checkdowns for this fan base to give Allen the moniker of "Captain Checkdown".  Can't win.

It's like these people want Allen to do what Cousins did yesterday.  With the game on the line in the playoffs and on 4th and 8 he threw a 5 yard pass.

 

 

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It's like these people want Allen to do what Cousins did yesterday.  With the game on the line in the playoffs and on 4th and 8 he threw a 5 yard pass.

 

 

Yeah…that is exactly what people want. 👎🏻

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I would say we already know the answer and that at a minimum it's worked out just as well and probably better.  Even if we lose on Sunday the Bills will have gone 14 - 4 and losing in the divisional round.  Last year they went 13 - 7 losing in the divisional round.  And all the offensive metrics are pretty much the same between the two seasons.

 

Yes.  It has put some added pressure on the D but even with a depleted secondary for most of the season they have come through so far.

Yesterday put pressure on the OL too having to hold on while Josh found his receiver but that's just the tradeoff you have to accept.

 

It's not exactly what I wanted to see this year and being up in age I'm more conservative in my life than I used to be, but Josh is entering

his prime and I am more than willing to see what he can really do.

[toto8]

This is on Dorsey more than Allen. He needs to hold him back. You are up 17-0 don't press more, play the run and take what the defense gives you. I was expecting more long sustained drives not hero balls all the time. I found myself screaming at the TV to run the ball multiple times but they passed instead.

 

There is something true about running until it works. Some times it takes a while to get a good run and you have to fail a couple of times but once it works it makes the other team tired and it takes a load of your QB shoulders.

[Success]

JA played great yesterday.  I might put the long pass INT on him, though Romo was saying it was more on Brown.  The Beasley pass is one we've seen completed many times - that wasn't on JA.  Bease also got interfered w/ there.

 

On the fumble, that was just tough all the way around.  JA had the quick outlet w/ the RB on the left, but there was no way he could even get into a throwing motion  - the defender was on him almost immediately.  He has to protect the ball, but pass protection cannot break down that quickly.

 

Otherwise, he made all of the usual JA plays that win us games.  No QB in the league I'd rather have.

 

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, toto8 said:

This is on Dorsey more than Allen. He needs to hold him back. You are up 17-0 don't press more, play the run and take what the defense gives you. I was expecting more long sustained drives not hero balls all the time. I found myself screaming at the TV to run the ball multiple times but they passed instead.

 

There is something true about running until it works. Some times it takes a while to get a good run and you have to fail a couple of times but once it works it makes the other team tired and it takes a load of your QB shoulders.

 

Not going to happen.  As someone posted today in one of the threads .........................................

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

looooots of smooth-brain takes in here.

 

Perhaps some of you would like a return to the Kelly Holcomb era

 

[bigduke6]

there was zero reason to launch the ball 50 yards on low percentage tosses when blitzed or when Josh is running around on a broken play.   every play should have short, medium, and long concepts.    i dont know if it was Josh and his inner hero ball coming out again,  but it sucked.    Josh could have run much more than he did yesterday,  but for some reason was launching bombs all over the place.    i felt like i was back to the bad old days of watching Tyrod just chuck it up and pray.

 

there has to be better options.