mrags Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: "In" can be simply calling. Which I haven't denied they did. But you're implying there was more to it than that and I just don't see it. The disparity between what AZ is asking and what we can afford and/or be interested in doing given our circumstances is too great for me to believe it was anything more than that. If there was a chance, Beane wouldn't have said what he said and Tim Graham wouldn't have reported what he reported. I also wouldn't point to us bringing back Smoke and Bease and talking to OBJ as "we've been in on every WR". There's tons of FA's that have signed this offseason that I'm sure we haven't talked to. My point was that we’ve been “in” on getting more weapons for Allen since last season. It’s continued. Some/many of us believe it’s not enough. That a bigger splash is needed. That is debatable. But the fact is we still don’t have a legit #2 that churns our yards and first downs like we would like. At least haven’t found one yet. Beane has shown he msg had interest. He was in on OBJ talks going back to last year. He was in on talks regarding DHop. He’s picked up multiple FAs. The facts are there that he’s aware what we have hasn’t been enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 10 hours ago, GoBills! said: DHOP signed yet? We are so close to 200 pages....Heard he is going to the raiders now lol It. is. not. a. signing. He's highly likely to be traded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It. is. not. a. signing. He's highly likely to be traded Let’s offer them Zach Ertz, straight up! Oh wait…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: They think he'll be released and it's possible he signs with Pats or Chiefs under certain conditions. This is considered reporting now I guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Getting nothing for him would be a very Cardsy move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, nucci said: They think he'll be released and it's possible he signs with Pats or Chiefs under certain conditions. This is considered reporting now I guess The Chiefs I could see but New England? Why would he goto a team that seems destined for last place in its division he just left that setup in Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Only 13 more pages to go until Hopkins is a bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 @Alphadawg7 so far nothing Only some speculation by someone named Dan kleevman saying dhop could be released and the pats and chiefs are linked 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, Negan said: Getting nothing for him would be a very Cardsy move. A Big Baller Beane move as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, One Buffalo said: If he is released, there is no reason not to pursue this further. We wouldn't have to give up a thing and can possibly sign him to a better deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: If he is released, there is no reason not to pursue this further. We wouldn't have to give up a thing and can possibly sign him to a better deal 1) he'd not be a comp pick factor 2) contract would be partially offset by Arizona's previous contract so we get him discounted. Does anyone know how much AZ guaranteed him? Edited April 3, 2023 by boyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, boyst said: @Alphadawg7 so far nothing Only some speculation by someone named Dan kleevman saying dhop could be released and the pats and chiefs are linked Actually, Dan K is quoting SI reporter Albert Breer, who is saying some teams think DHop will be released. Ridiculous thought by some teams that may just be leaking this to reduce the price. The supposed logic behind teams thinking DHop will be released is: “There’s nobody who was willing to take on Hopkins’ contract and pay the Cardinals initial asking price.” Seems like a lot of negotiating room is being missed there- between initial asking price and release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Yeah seems to me like part of the negotiating process playing out in the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: If he is released, there is no reason not to pursue this further. We wouldn't have to give up a thing and can possibly sign him to a better deal The Bills need to keep pursuing this prior to release. IMO, if the Cards released DHop it would show an error from Beane. IMO DHop is worth his salary and a low round pick. If DHop is released it would be a free for all and auction that would be tough to win. The price drops for how much of DHop's contract the acquiring team needs to pick up. Since it is starting to look like the Cards do not want to pay, it is mostly a salary dump, then the deal can be a slightly increased version of the B Cooks deal. But with the flexibility of negotiating before the trade, you can arrange it so DHop doesn't take a salary reduction but the cap hit could be better for us. You can extend it out and give upfront signing bonuses and guarantees. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 maybe dhop and his agent are helping to force his way out by refusing to renegotiate his contract with any team interested in trading for him and spreading these stories ? if a free agent....that could favor kc a little as they are likely to pay more than bills and he would immediately be their #1 WR......in buff he'd be #2WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, papazoid said: maybe dhop and his agent are helping to force his way out by refusing to renegotiate his contract with any team interested in trading for him and spreading these stories ? if a free agent....that could favor kc a little as they are likely to pay more than bills and he would immediately be their #1 WR......in buff he'd be #2WR He probably chose KC. They have an offense that's actually well-coached and they win Superbowls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 At this point, I'm thinking that the end result will be DHop staying in Arizona under a reworked contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: At this point, I'm thinking that the end result will be DHop staying in Arizona under a reworked contract. If no one is meeting Arizona’s demands, the only leverage they have is to wait. Which they are. Somebody will answer the bell in a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 If DHop does get traded, I believe it’ll happen the week of, or during the draft. I believe they will part ways for sure. Too much smoke, there has to be some fire there. But I firmly believe it’ll be during the draft when someone falls the way they want in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: If he is released, there is no reason not to pursue this further. We wouldn't have to give up a thing and can possibly sign him to a better deal Wed be much better off offering something ughhhhhhhhh. If he gets released I think it's 0% we get him. Just seems that way in my head. Maybe If released though we can structure a deal better than the deal we'd be trading for. Maybe that's the hold up. Man I want this bad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Wed be much better off offering something ughhhhhhhhh. If he gets released I think it's 0% we get him. Just seems that way in my head. Maybe If released though we can structure a deal better than the deal we'd be trading for. Maybe that's the hold up. Man I want this bad Yeah. If he’s released we’re not gonna get him. Lol. Some team will overpay for him. Which is really the issue. get him for minimal draft picks but eat his contract. Or the cards will eat some of the contract but they want more in return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) I'm starting to wonder if the allure for Beane was to offer a Day 3 pick in exchange for Arizona eating half his salary for '23 - that giving us a star WR this year for around 10M and next year for 15M. If Arizona won't budge and/or releases him, I'm pretty confident Hopkins isn't coming here given our financial constraints and a potential bidding war. Edited April 3, 2023 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 52 minutes ago, Airseven said: If no one is meeting Arizona’s demands, the only leverage they have is to wait. Which they are. Somebody will answer the bell in a month. if i'm AZ i wait until the season starts and look for a team on the bubble. i call up jacksonville after a couple of losses and say "give us a second and he's yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, boyst said: if i'm AZ i wait until the season starts and look for a team on the bubble. i call up jacksonville after a couple of losses and say "give us a second and he's yours." Yeah but they likely want picks for this year. Get guys in there now so that next year when their midget QB comes back they can hit the ground running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, mrags said: Yeah but they likely want picks for this year. Get guys in there now so that next year when their midget QB comes back they can hit the ground running. new head coach - yeah. but i don't know that htey'll get that and a bird in the hand is worth twice in the bush. the new coach may want to try his hands on working with the super star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, boyst said: new head coach - yeah. but i don't know that htey'll get that and a bird in the hand is worth twice in the bush. the new coach may want to try his hands on working with the super star. Sounds like it’s a pretty rough relationship. I’d bet they cut ties at draft time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Pretty amazing how disciplined all NFL front offices have become. Hard to imagine there’s not a team out there that would give up something for Hopkins. He must want a pretty big new deal with guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 56 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Wed be much better off offering something ughhhhhhhhh. If he gets released I think it's 0% we get him. Just seems that way in my head. Maybe If released though we can structure a deal better than the deal we'd be trading for. Maybe that's the hold up. Man I want this bad That makes most of us 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 4 hours ago, boyst said: 1) he'd not be a comp pick factor 2) contract would be partially offset by Arizona's previous contract so we get him discounted. Does anyone know how much AZ guaranteed him? 42.75m. 49.4m total vested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 not an easy decision for beane do you want to spend $6-8mil/yr or more on dhop or 1 really good player or sign 3-4 veteran free agents at $2/mil each.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Airseven said: If no one is meeting Arizona’s demands, the only leverage they have is to wait. Which they are. Somebody will answer the bell in a month. Lol no they won't. He'll be traded between now and the draft for less than what AZ's ask was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, papazoid said: not an easy decision for beane do you want to spend $6-8mil/yr or more on dhop or 1 really good player or sign 3-4 veteran free agents at $2/mil each.... With the state of our offense and what we need. I’d say go with the proven star WR. Give your star QB weapons. And then in the draft, double down and take more weapons and help on OL. They won’t do any of that tho. They will likely draft 2 defensive players in the first 3 rounds is my guess. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, mrags said: With the state of our offense and what we need. I’d say go with the proven star WR. Give your star QB weapons. And then in the draft, double down and take more weapons and help on OL. They won’t do any of that tho. They will likely draft 2 defensive players in the first 3 rounds is my guess. I hate this take. You're probably right... But I hate it anyways 😆. Edited April 3, 2023 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 I don't think Beane is spending any time thinking about a Hopkins trade anymore. He no doubt listened to Arizona's wants, maybe offered them an idea where his thoughts are, and it sat there. He's concerned now about the draft and what to do immediately after. Unless big changes in Arizona happen, that's where it lies. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 If it wasn't for some meaningless tweet by Hopkins about Buffalo Soldier, this thread would have died at about 3 pages 🤣 1 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: If it wasn't for some meaningless tweet by Hopkins about Buffalo Soldier, this thread would have died at about 3 pages 🤣 Kinda true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I hate this take. You're probably right... But I hate it anyways 😆. I hate it too. But I bet I’m right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 54 minutes ago, mrags said: With the state of our offense and what we need. I’d say go with the proven star WR. Give your star QB weapons. And then in the draft, double down and take more weapons and help on OL. They won’t do any of that tho. They will likely draft 2 defensive players in the first 3 rounds is my guess. I agree with ya. To be honest, I don’t have trust in this staff drafting a player we can lean on this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty shackleford Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said: If it wasn't for some meaningless tweet by Hopkins about Buffalo Soldier, this thread would have died at about 3 pages 🤣 A butterfly can flap its wings in Beijing, and in Central Park you get rain instead of sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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