Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[billsfan89]

53 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That's how I see it.

 

When we traded for Diggs, several posters here critiqued the deal saying that it's not just "we traded a first and stuff for Diggs, a great WR, and the Vikes got Jefferson in the first, so we both won".    The Vikes got a great player on a cost-controlled rookie deal while we got a great older player for whom we had to pay a fat contract. 

 

I still think the deal was a good one: the Bills got a savvy vet who could help Allen develop and help raise the level of the WR room; the Vikes got a youngster who could learn to do things as their savvy vet QB wanted them done.

 

But that's not where we are now.  If the Bills are going to sustain success, they have to get production from cost-controlled drafted players.

I remember this coming up when Jefferson started to blow up his rookie year but there is no guarantee that Jefferson would be the same WR in Buffalo that he is in Minnesota.
 

I am paraphrasing this because its been a few years so if this is vague please forgive the poor explanation. Jefferson’s biggest weakness coming out of college was a particular type of route running. That type of route running was something that Adam Thielen was an expert in. Jefferson learned from Thielien in the off-season and camp. 
 

Without Thielen it is possible that Jefferson could have developed slower and not been an impact player his first couple of years in the league.

[OldTimer1960]

12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

If he hasn't been moved on Draft Day...if we get to pick 27 and the Bills don't have a very highly graded player....I'd call AZ and offer them our pick, we trade down to their 2nd rounder (which I think is only 7 picks lower) and give them our 3rd next year 

How are you going to fit Hopkins’ contract under the cap?

[JGMcD2]

6 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Ha really?  I know you've become the most vocal regime apologist on TSW but even you should be concerned if they end up going into the season with Allen and a bunch of spare parts on offense.  

 

I know, I know, hE tRaDeD a fIRsT fOr dIgGs... 

 

I will withhold judgement until September but if the offense doesn't get a significant talent upgrade across the board - other than this bizarre Goldilocks routine with running backs - it's a very bad look for the GM.

Apologist, really? I’ll criticize when necessary, but I’m not going to pretend the world is ending. They’ve had success and turned around a pathetic franchise. They need to get better to win a Super Bowl. Everyone agrees with that. 
 

Most of what I say is an attempt to compare to the rest of the league… not just bitching and moaning about things without context. You’re only good or bad by comparison. 
 

If you’re implying a guy who put together 2 Super Bowl winning teams is a failure, you’re insane. 

[Coach Tuesday]

8 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

If you’re implying a guy who put together 2 Super Bowl winning teams is a failure, you’re insane. 

 

I think even Beane would admit he's been a failure to date.  They don't give out participation trophies, or Cap Management Executive of the Year awards.  It's Lombardi or bust, and being afraid to take bold steps because it may cost an extra $2-$3M or a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick is extremely shortsighted and the quickest way to be out of a job.

[JGMcD2]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I think even Beane would admit he's been a failure to date.  They don't give out participation trophies, or Cap Management Executive of the Year awards.  It's Lombardi or bust, and being afraid to take bold steps because it may cost an extra $2-$3M or a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick is extremely shortsighted and the quickest way to be out of a job.

You implied Ted Thompson was a failure and he has 2 Super Bowl trophies to his name. Your response doesn’t track… 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I think even Beane would admit he's been a failure to date.  They don't give out participation trophies, or Cap Management Executive of the Year awards.  It's Lombardi or bust, and being afraid to take bold steps because it may cost an extra $2-$3M or a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick is extremely shortsighted and the quickest way to be out of a job.

 

Meanwhile Beane entering year 6 with the Bills....

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I remember this coming up when Jefferson started to blow up his rookie year but there is no guarantee that Jefferson would be the same WR in Buffalo that he is in Minnesota.
 

I am paraphrasing this because its been a few years so if this is vague please forgive the poor explanation. Jefferson’s biggest weakness coming out of college was a particular type of route running. That type of route running was something that Adam Thielen was an expert in. Jefferson learned from Thielien in the off-season and camp. 
 

Without Thielen it is possible that Jefferson could have developed slower and not been an impact player his first couple of years in the league.

 

I agree

 

IIRC Jefferson's first two years under Zimmer and the Kubiaks, the Vikes offense was built around running the ball to set up the pass, and throwing it deep to Jefferson.  I'm oversimplifying, obviously, but Jefferson had 15.9 and 15.0 yds/reception, top-10 in the league.  Jefferson is very good at those routes and elite at tracking the ball and clinching the deal.  But this past year, he started playing all the receiver positions including from the slot. 

 

Anyway, as you say, no guarantee that either Jefferson or Allen would have developed the same way if he were in B'lo.  The accurate deep ball was NOT one of Allen's strengths in his first 2-3 years.

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You implied Ted Thompson was a failure and he has 2 Super Bowl trophies to his name. Your response doesn’t track… 

 

Ted Thompson absolutely, 100% was a failure.  With the QB talent he had, in a crappy division, he should've steered that team to dynasty-level status.

[Green Lightning]

4 hours ago, Jerboski said:

Not if they don’t start doing a much better job managing this roster around him and finding coaches who don’t ***** themselves in the playoffs 

 

sean has been outcoached thoroughly in the playoffs 

 

Can't say I disagree. Only McBean can get us over the hump and they need to do better than years past to do so.

[papazoid]

when was the last time a player was given permission to seek a "trade" (not explore free agency)......and then stayed with the team ?

 

usually thats the kiss of death.....that player will almost certainly be somewhere else within a year.    you're not wanted, help us move you.

 

 

2023 - Derek carr, D-Ho, Ekeler, Rodgers (only jets), allen robinson, Darius slay (he stayed, might be the exception)

 

2022- tyreek hill, lael collins, jimmy g(left following yr), jarvis landry, cole beasley (left and came back)

 

2021 -  akiem hicks (left following yr)

 

2020 - trent williams,

[4merper4mer]

7 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Ha really?  I know you've become the most vocal regime apologist on TSW but even you should be concerned if they end up going into the season with Allen and a bunch of spare parts on offense.  

 

I know, I know, hE tRaDeD a fIRsT fOr dIgGs... 

 

I will withhold judgement until September but if the offense doesn't get a significant talent upgrade across the board - other than this bizarre Goldilocks routine with running backs - it's a very bad look for the GM.

Lol you’ll withhold judgement until September.  Next sentence……..judgement.

[Warriorspikes51]

The "significant development" being the Cardinals lowering their asking price after Hopkins and his agent inevitably demand a deal gets done....

[strive_for_five_guy]

13 minutes ago, papazoid said:

when was the last time a player was given permission to seek a "trade" (not explore free agency)......and then stayed with the team ?

 

usually thats the kiss of death.....that player will almost certainly be somewhere else within a year.    you're not wanted, help us move you.

 

 

2023 - Derek carr, D-Ho, Ekeler, Rodgers (only jets), allen robinson, Darius slay (he stayed, might be the exception)

 

2022- tyreek hill, lael collins, jimmy g(left following yr), jarvis landry, cole beasley (left and came back)

 

2021 -  akiem hicks (left following yr)

 

2020 - trent williams,

It’s essentially telling your partner “you’re welcome to start seeing other people.”

[Royale with Cheese]

31 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Ted Thompson absolutely, 100% was a failure.  With the QB talent he had, in a crappy division, he should've steered that team to dynasty-level status.

 

You aren't a failure if you win 2 Super Bowls.  

 

You want Sean Payton as HC who had Drew Brees for like 12-15 years and only won one Super Bowl.  Several early playoff exits as well.

What's the difference?

[Figster]

this may have been posted already

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, Figster said:

this may have been posted already

 

 

 

It has. But if you watch the video, he never mentions the Bills. Mentions fits with other teams, mentions Raiders don't make sense, never mentions the Bills. So I don't know how this is giving anyone an impression. Unless we're once again trying to read deeply into things that may or may not be there.

 

"He mentions every team but the Bills. This must mean the Bills are trading for him soon!"

Edited March 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Figster]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It has. But if you watch the video, he never mentions the Bills. Mentions fits with other teams, mentions Raiders don't make sense, never mentions the Bills. So I don't know how this is giving anyone an impression. Unless we're once again trying to read deeply into things that may or may not be there.

 

"He mentions every team but the Bills. This must mean the Bills are trading for him soon!"

Nodding yes on Buffalo soldier IMO.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Mcg said:

 

 Let me summarize .

 

I'm a kid on Spring break having a fun time fooling old people 

I think most people can see that.   There are some Bills fans who really want Hopkins so they want to believe ECBulls is somehow connected.  
 

But we all know it’s a regular dude pretending to somewhat important.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Apparently, Ian not even mentioning the Bills but not outwardly excluding them like he did the Raiders is him giving the "impression" that the Bills are in 🙄

Considering how tight lipped the Bills are when it comes to these things and how they typically get done out of nowhere, I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills made it known they don't want their interest getting out. It looked to me like he wanted to say other teams but refrained from doing it. I wouldn't say the Bills are out

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Considering how tight lipped the Bills are when it comes to these things and how they typically get done out of nowhere, I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills made it known they don't want their interest getting out. It looked to me like he wanted to say other teams but refrained from doing it. I wouldn't say the Bills are out

Saying this is really reading into the video.  He also didn’t speak of the interest from NE or Baltimore.  It doesn’t mean they are out or in on Hopkins

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Saying this is really reading into the video.  He also didn’t speak of the interest from NE or Baltimore.  It doesn’t mean they are out or in on Hopkins

I'm aware. But he also didn't deny interest either. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills or other franchises don't want anything said for the time being

[BillsFanForever19]

Since like Friday, this is all I see in when I visit this thread

 

 

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Since like Friday, this is all I see in when I visit this thread

 

 

Me: Ian didn’t say the Bills were in on Hopkins 

 

Members of this thread:  But he didn’t say the Bills WEREN’T in on Hopkins 

[OZBILLS]

Absolutely nothing from Ian. He was nodding to the other stuff before the delay.

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Me: Ian didn’t say the Bills were in on Hopkins 

 

Members of this thread:  But he didn’t say the Bills WEREN’T in on Hopkins 

 

Members of this thread: He nodded when McAfee sang "Buffalo Soldier"

 

Me: Yeah... at most he's nodding that the IG post was made, if not about something else that was said.

 

Members of this thread: Confirmation the Bills are trading for Hopkins today.

Edited March 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[WMDman]

we will trade for Hopkins I feel it in my glutes 

 

 

or it could be that yesterday was leg day, but I prefer the first one

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Rumors Brandon Aiyuk is available.

[Mcg]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Rumors Brandon Aiyuk is available.

   you haven't heard hes a chief like the rest of the wide receivers in the NFL

[JohnNord]

35 minutes ago, WMDman said:

we will trade for Hopkins I feel it in my glutes 

 

 

or it could be that yesterday was leg day, but I prefer the first one

I have no problem with people hoping it happens.  I hope the trade happens too.  I just get annoyed at these bad actors on Twitter making up fake information

[BillsFanForever19]

11 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I have no problem with people hoping it happens.  I hope the trade happens too.  I just get annoyed at these bad actors on Twitter making up fake information

 

That and posters taking that as gospel and dragging others who are legit sources through the mud to fit their narrative.

 

It's one thing to hope it happens. Hell, I hope it happens. It's another thing to simply ignore the entire story and focus on straw man arguments to push their beliefs as legitimate.

 

Critical thinking gone by the wayside in favor of blind fanatical emotionally driven posting.

Edited March 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[3rdand12]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Rumors Brandon Aiyuk is available.

read that as a possibility too

[Warriorspikes51]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That and posters taking that as gospel and dragging others who are legit sources through the mud to fit their narrative.

 

It's one thing to hope it happens. Hell, I hope it happens. It's another thing to simply ignore the entire story and focus on straw man arguments to push their beliefs as legitimate.

 

Critical thinking gone by the wayside in favor of blind fanatical emotionally driven posting.

good Lord. This is a message board. People are free to think and believe whatever they like.

 

For all you know, some posters on here could be going thru tough times and picturing Hopkins on the Bills offense gives them hope/ takes their mind off things for a bit.

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[mikemac2001]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

good Lord. This is a message board. People are free to think and believe whatever they like.

Not if you disagree with some people 

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

good Lord. This is a message board. People are free to think and believe whatever they like.

 

You're right. This is a message board. So if posters post things that are one sided and don't look at the full spectrum, you should expect someone to point out that they're one sided and not looking at the full spectrum.

Edited March 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're right. This is a message board. So if posters post things that are one sided, you should expect someone to point out that they're one sided.

 

thankful you’ve put up the “one way traffic” signs for us🙂

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Can’t imagine KC throwing a spending a bunch of money on Hopkins, why wouldn’t they have simply extended Hill if they were going to pay top $ for a WR?

 

If he wants guaranteed money and/or an extension, I think he likely ends up somewhere with a young developing QB who needs a consistent target.  

He’s at the stage of his career where he can take a little less/re-work his contract in a team friendly way to try and be on a winner, or try to find a team that is willing to give him one last big pay day (since AZ gave him the right to seek a trade, they aren’t forcing it, atleast based on the way it was worded in reports)…

 

Being real, if I’m Hopkins, I find the team willing to pay me and maybe even reup getting one last major pay day, bc after what some of the injuries we’ve witnessed and then what happened with Damar, I’ll never be mad at a guy for trying to get every cent they can playing this game.

They wouldn’t be-  they’d renegotiate.  And Hill is making 30M a year.  Not 19-14

[The Wiz]

 

[papazoid]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Rumors Brandon Aiyuk is available.

 

would be even better for the bills than d-ho

 

younger, lower cap for 2023 ($4 mil), and statistically a better WR who is trending up, while D-ho likely trending down

[hondo in seattle]

Where can we buy the Beane bobblehead?

 

 

[Special K]

BUMP!!🤣🤣🤣