Chicken Boo Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, papazoid said: without a doubt...the DB's are the strongest position group 3 pro bowlers in poyer, hyde and white a highly rated nickel back in taron johnson last years 1st round pick in kaiir elam we just added taylor rapp for a steal benford beat out elam to start last season dane jackson is great depth I like our DB group, but at the moment Tre isn't all the way back, Hyde ended the year on IR and Poyer was gutting it out through injuries. There's a very good chance their peak years are behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, ngbills said: What legit contender has a supporting cast worse than ours? What position group on the Bills has elite talent? If we are going to win in the playoffs the roster needs upgrades not just role players. Hopkins checks that box. He is a guy you can go to in key spots. Right now you double Diggs and we are hoping for an Allen scramble. It's a legitimate question. I think when factoring in OL, RB's, TE's and WR's, the Bengals, Dolphins and Chiefs currently have (on paper) more proven talent around their QB than we have provided for Allen. The Bills, around Allen, are on the next tier with the Jets and Chargers... maybe Jags with Ridley added to the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawning Frog Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Tim Graham says "barring a significant development, the bills are NOT trading for Hopkins." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Yawning Frog said: Tim Graham says "barring a significant development, the bills are NOT trading for Hopkins." sounds like captain obvious....lol significant developement = arizona lowers their demands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The Chiefs are brilliant for this I suppose…. but the Bills should give up three firsts? Give up that 2nd rounder for sure. The Chiefs have 2 Super Bowl victories in the past 4 seasons. They're playing with house money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Stop saying DHop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mcg said: Why anyone would believe this is beyond me Brandon Beane isn't telling anyone anything lol . You may not like him but Tim is well connected and always right. He hedged with "Barring a significant development" ie they lower the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I don’t see how they could fit Hopkins under their cap without taking a second mortgage (contract extension) and I don’t want to do that for a 31 y.o. who was recently injured AND recently suspended for performance enhancing drugs. I don’t know that his body is breaking down, but at 31 coupled with the PED use, I’ll pass on mortgaging the future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, nucci said: Stop saying DHop How about "D-Ho". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, nosejob said: I'm willing to bet if it happens, it'll be during the draft...and how the first rd. shakes out. It might have to come in terms of a draft day trade of Ed. Maybe they get a couple of decent picks for him and parlay that into DHop. Maybe if Robinson makes it to 27, we can trade with Philly or the Saints for a pick or 2 and then deal. I like the idea of this. If something falls the way Arz wants in the draft. Trade Oliver, and our first for DHop, and their 2nd and maybe more. Just to drop down a few spots and keep your 2nd and 3rd. Imo would be worth it. I don’t have full knowledge of the trade value charts so I’m sure someone could look up what would be more acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, nucci said: Stop saying DHop You don’t buy D Hype? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Give up that 2nd rounder for sure. The Chiefs have 2 Super Bowl victories in the past 4 seasons. They're playing with house money. Give them the second and maybe they give us back a 4th or 5th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, nucci said: Stop saying DHop Why D hell not? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: The Chiefs are brilliant for this I suppose…. but the Bills should give up three firsts? Nobody once said one first much less three a third round pick gets this done, what are we waiting for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Nobody once said one first much less three a third round pick gets this done, what are we waiting for Bills front office: "we can get dhop for a 3rd" Beane: "nah, too valuable. Just forget it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: Bills front office: "we can get dhop for a 3rd" Beane: "nah, too valuable. Just forget it" They may want AZ to retain some salary. It's not a simple negotiation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: They may want AZ to retain some salary. It's not a simple negotiation. That is true. But another part of me thinks the Bills want Hopkins for no more than a 5th also. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: That is true. But another part of me thinks the Bills want Hopkins for no more than a 5th also. I could be wrong. If that's their price point, they don't really want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If that's their price point, they don't really want him. It is only that low because of his high contract $19.5M this year and $14.5M next - and his age. But, if he was making $10M/year, the trade cost would be higher because there would be more teams interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, OldTimer1960 said: It is only that low because of his high contract $19.5M this year and $14.5M next - and his age. But, if he was making $10M/year, the trade cost would be higher because there would be more teams interested. I understand about the salary issue. Just a few posts above, I pointed that out to the fella I was conversing with. Even taking that into consideration, I don't think a fifth alone gets it done. If AZ is posturing to want something akin to what CMC cost the 49ers (a ridiculous proposition), I don't see them scaling back that far. So, Hopkins and his salary altogether may only be worth a fifth, but I don't see AZ taking that return, even if they become more reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Nobody once said one first much less three a third round pick gets this done, what are we waiting for We’re waiting for you to be hired as GM. It’s gonna be a long wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, 4merper4mer said: We’re waiting for you to be hired as GM. It’s gonna be a long wait. You're kinda ornery, aren't ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I understand about the salary issue. Just a few posts above, I pointed that out to the fella I was conversing with. Even taking that into consideration, I don't think a fifth alone gets it done. If AZ is posturing to want something akin to what CMC cost the 49ers (a ridiculous proposition), I don't see them scaling back that far. So, Hopkins and his salary altogether may only be worth a fifth, but I don't see AZ taking that return, even if they become more reasonable. And that’s OK with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This guy is full of crap… not sure why people are buying into his guessing. I would go with the word of legit reporters over a fan playing NFL insider on Twitter I’m sure this is just the Bills trying to “control the narrative” 👌 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, Dr. Who said: You're kinda ornery, aren't ya? No. Just more amazed at people that think running an NFL team is easy and that Beane purposely wants to avoid winning the Super Bowl. 1. I doubt any of the Twitter crap is 100% accurate 2. People use Twitter report 1 to bolster their opinion but ignore Twitter report 2 because it refutes their opinion……I don’t really trust either one. An example of this is the cost for Hopkins being too high for KC but somehow we should do “whatever it takes”. Nobody knows the asking price of either the Cardinals or Hopkins…..but we should meet it. Should Beane also buy a used 1988 Honda Civic for $4,326,419.37 because that’s what the dealer wants? Combine points 1 and 2 and there is some really stupid stuff that gets posted. People claiming they have the proper Bills personnel strategy figured out are wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JohnNord said: This guy is full of crap… not sure why people are buying into his guessing. I would go with the word of legit reporters over a fan playing NFL insider on Twitter They are all full of crap until something happens. That's part of their job. There were legit reporters talking about A. Brown coming to the bills before and that amounted to nothing. It's all throwing stuff until something sticks. And no, I don't necessarily believe the tweet either. Edited March 28, 2023 by The Wiz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: And that’s OK with me. Yep, it's a prudential calculation. I wanted to trade up for Jameson Williams in the last draft. Would have brought in a young WR with star potential. Now we are looking at a subpar draft at the position. If you think it's important to upgrade WR2, Hopkins is now a consideration. If you think it's not that pressing a matter, one is less inclined to bargain. I am somewhere between your view and those who want to throw around a first or second, but it's a risk and an expensive one so not a great situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, JohnNord said: This guy is full of crap… not sure why people are buying into his guessing. I would go with the word of legit reporters over a fan playing NFL insider on Twitter I’m sure this is just the Bills trying to “control the narrative” 👌 What “legit reporter” would use the phrase “reportedly likely”? The kind that failed 4th grade English? Just now, Dr. Who said: Yep, it's a prudential calculation. I wanted to trade up for Jameson Williams in the last draft. Would have brought in a young WR with star potential. Now we are looking at a subpar draft at the position. If you think it's important to upgrade WR2, Hopkins is now a consideration. If you think it's not that pressing a matter, one is less inclined to bargain. I am somewhere between your view and those who want to throw around a first or second, but it's a risk and an expensive one so not a great situation. And it wouldn’t have been expensive to trade up and get Williams? How many parallel dream worlds are we living in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: No. Just more amazed at people that think running an NFL team is easy and that Beane purposely wants to avoid winning the Super Bowl. 1. I doubt any of the Twitter crap is 100% accurate 2. People use Twitter report 1 to bolster their opinion but ignore Twitter report 2 because it refutes their opinion……I don’t really trust either one. An example of this is the cost for Hopkins being too high for KC but somehow we should do “whatever it takes”. Nobody knows the asking price of either the Cardinals or Hopkins…..but we should meet it. Should Beane also buy a used 1988 Honda Civic for $4,326,419.37 because that’s what the dealer wants? Combine points 1 and 2 and there is some really stupid stuff that gets posted. People claiming they have the proper Bills personnel strategy figured out are wrong. Well, if you don't suffer fools gladly, a sports' message board is a fine place to be exasperated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I'm okay if this doesn't happen. Obviously, it would have been exciting, but it also comes with some downsides. We'd be much more "all in" for the short term, and it would wreak some havoc w/ our cap. He's also 31, and I'd prefer to see the team get a little younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Didn't Ian R just say the Bills are still in on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Well thanks for leaking about the Bills’ interest, Erie County Bulls*! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Can’t imagine KC throwing a spending a bunch of money on Hopkins, why wouldn’t they have simply extended Hill if they were going to pay top $ for a WR? If he wants guaranteed money and/or an extension, I think he likely ends up somewhere with a young developing QB who needs a consistent target. He’s at the stage of his career where he can take a little less/re-work his contract in a team friendly way to try and be on a winner, or try to find a team that is willing to give him one last big pay day (since AZ gave him the right to seek a trade, they aren’t forcing it, atleast based on the way it was worded in reports)… Being real, if I’m Hopkins, I find the team willing to pay me and maybe even reup getting one last major pay day, bc after what some of the injuries we’ve witnessed and then what happened with Damar, I’ll never be mad at a guy for trying to get every cent they can playing this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: What “legit reporter” would use the phrase “reportedly likely”? The kind that failed 4th grade English? And it wouldn’t have been expensive to trade up and get Williams? How many parallel dream worlds are we living in? A reporter who actually has been….professional journalist for over 20 years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: What “legit reporter” would use the phrase “reportedly likely”? The kind that failed 4th grade English? And it wouldn’t have been expensive to trade up and get Williams? How many parallel dream worlds are we living in? Lions sent two early seconds and an early third to move up to 12 in the first round. Vikings sent a mid second round pick back as well. Helps if you have draft capital to work with, but that was not a terrible price to get him. I'm going to stick with ornery. And yes, the contemporary American reading level is probably fifth grade in 1960. Writing is abysmal. Very few read genuine literature or think complex, nuanced thoughts. It's easy enough to be a curmudgeon and point out the foibles of humanity. I am a misanthrope myself and much prefer the company of my cats to humankind, but a little tolerance and humor is also helpful. Some folks are obnoxious and invite ridicule, but otherwise the kindness of compassion is not expensive. Edited March 28, 2023 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, JohnNord said: This guy is full of crap… not sure why people are buying into his guessing. I would go with the word of legit reporters over a fan playing NFL insider on Twitter I’m sure this is just the Bills trying to “control the narrative” 👌 SI is a joke these days IMO Edited March 28, 2023 by HamSandwhich 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: A little harder for the skeptics to paint this as a mirage speculated on the basis of IG posts and pseudo-NFL Insiders on Twitter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I understand about the salary issue. Just a few posts above, I pointed that out to the fella I was conversing with. Even taking that into consideration, I don't think a fifth alone gets it done. If AZ is posturing to want something akin to what CMC cost the 49ers (a ridiculous proposition), I don't see them scaling back that far. So, Hopkins and his salary altogether may only be worth a fifth, but I don't see AZ taking that return, even if they become more reasonable. I musta missed the actual news about AZ's price. Is that what they want? The 49ers took a lot of criticism for giving up essentially the heart of their draft board this year (2nd 3rd and 4th) plus a late pick (5th) next year. But, they got a 26 yr old player under contract for 4 years, with a minor salary in 2023 and a reasonable $12M/yr going forward. And, he was a true difference maker. To ask that for a 31 yr old player who gets $19.5M this year and $14.9M next, for a guy who only played 19 of 34 games last two seasons, ended 2021 with an MCL injury, took PEDs and was suspended 6 games in the healing process, and reportedly missed the last two games of 2022 because he "tweaked" that injury - Wow. I do NOT want the Bills to pay that price. Maybe that's just me. 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: A little harder for the skeptics to paint this as a mirage speculated on the basis of IG posts and pseudo-NFL Insiders on Twitter. But Hopkins would not be a "final piece" for the Bills. We need an MLB, another 3TDT, and IMHO at least solid RT competition for Brown. Rapaport is legit, but to take what he tweeted and apply it to the Bills sounds like heavy speculation to me. Edited March 28, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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