Rumor: McDaniel could be fired if Fins lose to the Jets and miss playoffs

[Greg S]

(1) Fins Talk Sports Network on Twitter: "#BreakingNews per @ArmandoSalguero of @Outkick - Mike McDaniel, Chris Grier, and Josh Boyers jobs are at risk if the Miami Dolphins lose against the Jets and miss the Playoffs next Sunday 👀 #FinsUp https://t.co/MiOT1bHHmm" / Twitter

[May Day 10]

Is that going to be the Payton/Brady move?

[Franco_92]

I don't think this would be smart, I think McDaniel is a good coach. I think he outcoached our staff (a very good staff) in both games. 

[PetermansRedemption]

Just now, arcane said:

I don't think this would be smart, I think McDaniel is a good coach. I think he outcoached our staff (a very good staff) in both games. 

I also think this would be short sighted by the dolphins. But I also didn’t think Flores should have been fired. Miami seems to have a recent history of letting go of above average-good coaches. 

[gonzo1105]

I think McDaniel has done a great job with the offense especially with a limited Quarterback maximizing his abilities. I don't know if the guy will make a great HC but he is one hell of an offensive coordinator. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, arcane said:

I don't think this would be smart, I think McDaniel is a good coach. I think he outcoached our staff (a very good staff) in both games. 

Can you explain why you think he outcoached our staff in the first meeting?

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, arcane said:

I don't think this would be smart, I think McDaniel is a good coach. I think he outcoached our staff (a very good staff) in both games. 

 

Agree but weren't they 8-3. To miss the playoffs at that point is a pretty big collapse.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

That would be asinine; but let's hope they do.  

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Can you explain why you think he outcoached our staff in the first meeting?

He chose to seat his team on the shady side of the field. 

[MiltonWaddams]

We should hope for this. There’s only Payton out there and that will cost a boatload of picks. And it’s not like Payton won big year in year out.

Edited January 5, 2023 by MiltonWaddams

[H2o]

7 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Is that going to be the Payton/Brady move?

This was my thought exactly. Here come Sean Payton and Tom Brady to South Beach. 

[uticaclub]

4 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I also think this would be short sighted by the dolphins. But I also didn’t think Flores should have been fired. Miami seems to have a recent history of letting go of above average-good coaches. 

Flores didnt make the playoff for 3 years, thats a fireable offense in the NFL and McDaniels is a nerd that will end the season on a 6 game losing streak

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, arcane said:

I don't think this would be smart, I think McDaniel is a good coach. I think he outcoached our staff (a very good staff) in both games. 

 

I think he is a good coach too. Not sure I agree with the second half though. The Bills totally outplayed them in Miami. In Buffalo the offense certainly got the better of our defense, but our offense had its way with them too. 

 

I'd fire Josh Boyer personally if I was Miami. Keep McDaniel and upgrade at DC. Get someone less boom or bust, someone who understands that blitzing every play is for Madden not the real NFL. 

[May Day 10]

Im kind of torn on McDaniel.  X's and O's he seems like a savant.  However, his general demeanor seems like he will have trouble getting grown alpha-males who are physically at the top of our species to follow him and go to the mat for him.  He will get players to buy in when things are going well, but I can see things turning on him bad in tough times.  I also think he was boorish in dealing with the Tua injuries and players pick up on that.

 

IMO Payton is a bit overrated, although I would be frothing at the mouth for Ralph to open the checkbook for him if this were 2008.  Brady could probably make that offense work, but that machine is a Hill or Waddle injury away from being shut right down.  

[KDIGGZ]

They must think they are getting the Payton and Brady combo they tried to get last year and lost a draft pick over

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he is a good coach too. Not sure I agree with the second half though. The Bills totally outplayed them in Miami. In Buffalo the offense certainly got the better of our defense, but our offense had its way with them too. 

 

I'd fire Josh Boyer personally if I was Miami. Keep McDaniel and upgrade at DC. Get someone less boom or bust, someone who understands that blitzing every play is for Madden not the real NFL. 

It’s pretty crazy that Boyer continues to do what he does.  Phillips has been very good this year.  Wilkins has been outstanding.  While he hasn’t been as advertised, they trade and paid Chubb….. WHY leave your undermanned secondary 1 on 1 the majority of the game?  Boyer needs to go and will go

[TheBrownBear]

4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

They must think they are getting the Payton and Brady combo they tried to get last year and lost a draft pick over

That's the only way this would "make sense" to the Dolphins idiot ownership. (not that I think it does).

[GustheDog33]

24 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I also think this would be short sighted by the dolphins. But I also didn’t think Flores should have been fired. Miami seems to have a recent history of letting go of above average-good coaches. 

And also Adam Gase Hahahaha

[Captain Hindsight]

28 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Is that going to be the Payton/Brady move?

I wouldn’t rule out Harbarugh. Ross has always been obsessed with him

 

Should have removed the ping pong tables sooner!

Edited January 5, 2023 by Captain Hindsight

[HOUSE]

This is a great organization. 

The owner was banned for attempting to tank

The Dolphins have no draft choices, no cap space, no quarterback 

And they give the head coach one year before threatening his job.

Gee, can I have a job...

[Captain Hindsight]

22 minutes ago, H2o said:

This was my thought exactly. Here come Sean Payton and Tom Brady to South Beach. 

Incredibly dumb move. Brady is 46 years old! 
 

Cue Taysom Hill being the starting QB next year 

Edited January 5, 2023 by Captain Hindsight

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

This is a great organization. 

The owner was banned for attempting to tank

The Dolphins have no draft choices, no cap space, no quarterback 

And they give the head coach one year before threatening his job.

Gee, can I have a job...

Sure!  Just reach into your wallet  and show them two government issued IDs...

[Strethor]

Their D took a large step back without Flores. I think McDaniel is a good coach, but it remains to be seen if he can adjust or if he will be another Kliff Kingsbury.. 

[DrBob806]

33 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Agree but weren't they 8-3. To miss the playoffs at that point is a pretty big collapse.

John Harbaugh hasn't adjusted 2 seasons in a row after a Lamar injury. The Ratbirds aren't going to fire him I bet.

[RiotAct]

35 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Can you explain why you think he outcoached our staff in the first meeting?

Avree, we outplayed then considerably in Miami.  Plus the whole trotting Tua back out there in the 2nd half…

[34-78-83]

20 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

They must think they are getting the Payton and Brady combo they tried to get last year and lost a draft pick over

I'd take that ANY DAY. Bring it.

[The Jokeman]

43 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Is that going to be the Payton/Brady move?

They'd still have to trade for Payton and rumor is the Saints want a 1st Round pick which the Dolphins don't own. 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s pretty crazy that Boyer continues to do what he does.  Phillips has been very good this year.  Wilkins has been outstanding.  While he hasn’t been as advertised, they trade and paid Chubb….. WHY leave your undermanned secondary 1 on 1 the majority of the game?  Boyer needs to go and will go

 

To be 27th in points allowed with a defense with Phillips, Wilkins, Chubb, Howard and Holland is pretty much a joke. I also just hate those heavy blitz defenses. It is really hard to be successful playing that style of defense in the modern NFL. The only top 10 blitz team with a top 10 defense is Denver. You look at most of the top Ds... 49ers, Eagles, Bills, Jets... they are in the bottom 10 or 12 of blitz %. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

41 minutes ago, arcane said:

I don't think this would be smart, I think McDaniel is a good coach. I think he outcoached our staff (a very good staff) in both games. 

He absolutely did not the first game.  That bills roster in the second half of that game was one of the worst squads fielded by anyone in the league due to all the injuries and they barely hung on to a 2 point win.  We were missing like 13 starters by that point.  

 

 Second game is debatable…I’m not sure if he ‘outcoached’ us or our players had a bad night tackling.  
 

either way,  he’s a good offensive coordinator at best.  Mcdaniel has done the anti-Flores and improved the offense but absolutely torpedoed the defense which has resulted in the same results Flores used to get with a much less talented roster 
 

 

[KDIGGZ]

5 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

I'd take that ANY DAY. Bring it.

Ehh Payton and Brady with Hill and Waddle would be pretty scary. Tua almost beat us twice throwing slants and lobs with more hang time than punts. A competent QB would do well with those weapons

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To be 27th in points allowed with a defense with Phillips, Wilkins, Chubb, Howard and Holland is pretty much a joke. I also just hate those heavy blitz defenses. It is really hard to be successful playing that style of defense in the modern NFL. The only top 10 blitz team with a top 10 defense is Denver. You look at most of the top Ds... 49ers, Eagles, Bills, Jets... they are in the bottom 10 or 12 of blitz %. 

It really is pretty pathetic…idk why this constantly gets overlooked.  The average fan seems to only care about offense.  If he gets fired that is going to be why.  That defense is loaded with playermakers and I’m having trouble thinking of a defensive depth chart of that quality performing this badly ever. 
 

Flores never made it to the end of the rebuild but if you gave him chubb,armstead,Connor Williams, and tyreek hill I’m certain he would’ve won more than 8 games in a 17 game season no matter who the qb was

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Golden*Wheels]

23 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

This is a great organization. 

The owner was banned for attempting to tank

The Dolphins have no draft choices, no cap space, no quarterback 

And they give the head coach one year before threatening his job.

Gee, can I have a job...

You just HATE to see it. XD

[colin]

is there anyone out there who thinks this dude is a better coach than flores?  I think (and not necessarily wrongly based on the trend, but clearly not right in this case) a lot of owners value Offensive minds for HC over Defensive.  Putting too many eggs in that basked gets you to fire a coach life flores and replace him w the dude miami got (who isn't terrible, just not as good and his youth means he can lose the team faster).

 

did stuff ever come out that flores was a huge jerk or had battles w the owner or something?

[thenorthremembers]

If they want to 86 a promising young coach for a 46 year old QB I'd be in their corner.

[julian]

He looks like another excellent coordinator who doesn’t have the right stuff to cut it as a head coach.

 

 The NFL landscape of history is littered with these examples.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, colin said:

is there anyone out there who thinks this dude is a better coach than flores?  I think (and not necessarily wrongly based on the trend, but clearly not right in this case) a lot of owners value Offensive minds for HC over Defensive.  Putting too many eggs in that basked gets you to fire a coach life flores and replace him w the dude miami got (who isn't terrible, just not as good and his youth means he can lose the team faster).

 

did stuff ever come out that flores was a huge jerk or had battles w the owner or something?

I don’t mean to brag but I predicted all of this in the offseason 😂. Big step forward for their offense and big step backwards for their defense which would end up with the same results

 

if I had to guess, there was a battle between Flores and the gm/owner about his treatment of tua even though Fitzpatrick was clearly the better qb.  
 

i don’t think they’ll end up firing McDaniel, I’m assuming they’d let him scapegoat the DC first.  But it’s hard to say because they were 8-3 and nearly all the teams competing for the wildcard imploded.  They only needed to go 1-5 down the stretch to make the playoffs and if they can’t do that some tough questions need to be asked.  

Edited January 5, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[appoo]

McDaniel would be a HC in approximately 10 minutes after getting fired.

 

would be monumentally stupid

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, appoo said:

McDaniel would be a HC in approximately 10 minutes after getting fired.

 

would be monumentally stupid

I doubt it, unless they let him take tyreek and waddle with him for free lol.  Someone would probably give him a chance but it’s far from a guarantee  The dude is massively underperforming with a fringe superbowl caliber roster I don’t understand why people can’t see that.  Even if you swap tua for prime Brady, that defense that’s loaded with talent still can’t stop anybody.

 

If McDaniel got hired by someone else he would 100% be going to a team with significantly less talent than this dolphins team he has won 8 games with 

Edited January 5, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[EasternOHBillsFan]

58 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I also think he was boorish in dealing with the Tua injuries and players pick up on that.

 

The way he has spoken about Tua's injuries this season has cemented in my mind that he, like the owner, doesn't have the players health as the top priority.

 

NOTE: I think this rumor is bogus... they won't fire him.

Edited January 5, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan

[appoo]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I doubt it, unless they let him take tyreek and waddle with him for free lol. The dude is massively underperforming with a fringe superbowl caliber roster I don’t understand why people can’t see that.  Even if you swap tua for prime Brady, that defense that’s loaded with talent still can’t stop anybody.

 

If McDaniel got hired by someone else he would 100% be going to a team with significantly less talent than this dolphins team he has won 8 games with 

They get to 8-3 and then lose to 

 

A) the best team in the NFC right now, possibly the NFL, in the Niners away

 

B) a more talented, though to this point underperforming, Chargers

 

C) arguably outplayed, but lost to the Bills away 

D) packers in a game where Tua played in the 2nd half with a concussion without anyone realizing it, and having basically the worst half of his career likely due to the concussion 

 

E) The pats without a QB

 

Yes they have a losing streak, but this isn’t choking. They’re losing to teams that are more talented or when they didn’t have a healthy Tua.