Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

As a human, I'm hoping that they have counselors available to help players process. 
As a fan, I'm fearful that this impacts players beyond this game and this season.  I go back to Tre White talking about how his injury gave him a chance for the first time to see that he's more than a football player, and that there's more to life than the game he's played since he was a kid.  I can see an event like this triggering someone, that already has thoughts about the greater meaning, to walk away early.

 

And if they did, how could you blame them?

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I don’t think the team bounces back that quick. Anytime you are exposed to what they watched happen last night it takes time to recover. Witnessing someone being administered life saving measures isn’t easy to watch. This isn’t like anything anyone has seen before. They have seen players immobilized before, but seeing some receiving CPR and have a defibrillator used is a visual they won’t soon forget. I am as big a Bills fan as anyone else. If this team, or some players, didn’t want to play another down this season I wouldn’t blame them a bit.

Go Bills! 

I think, mentally, it’s a stretch for them to play Sunday vs the pats let alone try to get this cincy game in. They are supposed to start practicing tomorrow for the pats game. Don’t see that happening quite yet. Yes, they will obviously need to play the pats game. Just not sure what that schedule will look like this week in preparation.

Edited January 3, 2023 by YoloinOhio

[Chandler#81]

12 hours ago, MarkyMannn said:

Utley. Ended up in a wheelchair

Nope. A WR in ‘71

[DasNootz]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

And if they did, how could you blame them?

I/you couldn't - but that's the difference between humanism and fanaticism. 

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I agree, and I've been through some of that with my dad and his heart attacks. Having said that though, if the team and fans get good news regarding hamlin, the team could potentially rally around that. I'm just thinking out loud here, but I'd imagine if a family member was in hamlins condition, and then my family gets great news that that family member is going to be ok, that completely changes the mood. I dunno. Just putting thoughts out there 

100% from anxiety to JOY. That is the news we want!

[Beck Water]

49 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Just curious you mention these two people who were young and healthy, but the one had severely blocked coronary arteries.  How old was this person as to me untrained medically those two things don't usually go together, young and blocked arteries.  I'm hoping you consider old much older than I would as that would be good health news for me!

 

Yeah, they don't.  He was the youngest of 8 brothers, and I believe at this point 6 of them have died of heart disease, all at relatively young ages.  There's the unfortunate intersection between a likely genetic condition and a familial lack of regular, good quality preventive medical care.   For all the gaps and snafus we hear about, Modern Medicine Works, fellas.  If you're in your 30s and haven't had a checkup, find a doctor and go.

 

49 minutes ago, TonyBeets said:

100% agree with this statement.  What a great leader, but moreso a great human being.  I cannot fathom being put into McDermott's position last night.  

There is only so much adversity and a community can take.  Personally, my wind was let out of me last night.  I could not care less about the outcome of the remainder of the season.  

 

I'm pretty much there too.  Just Live, Fellas.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Beck Water

[Ethan in Cleveland]

29 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm trying to shut up here because on the modern emergency medicine Dunning-Kruger curve I'm standing at the bottom of the "slope of enlightenment" looking up and we all gotta know our limitations.

 

But I can point out here, emergency medicine stresses the importance of lay people getting trained in CPR and about staff at large venues and businesses getting trained in the use of modern, easy to use AED devices BECAUSE they make such a huge difference to outcomes.   When I worked, I did annual training on both BECAUSE I know the data are out there: they make a difference.  When I'm in a large venue, I reflexively note the location of the AEDs and how they're stowed.

 

There are not a lot of data about the outcomes of what happened - a young, peak physical condition man having what is called a "witnessed arrest" where not only paramedics, but trained emergency physicians, responded within seconds.  But it's the best possible emergency medicine response, probably better than actually walking into the ER of a major medical center and collapsing (because they tend to be chaotic and the physicians/nurses there are often already working full-bore).  On the field, he had a team of doctors and paramedics with nothing to do but care for him, and probably 95% of the initial equipment that would be used in an ER at hand.

 

I can tell you from my own experience that a neighbor, as a young mother in her mid-30s, had her husband performing CPR on her alone for 11 minutes, before paramedics arrived with an AED and were able to restore a pulse (which took a further 8 minutes, and multiple shocks).  She was a math professor prior to her cardiac arrest.  She is still a math professor.  She played competitive ultimate frisbee prior to her cardiac arrest; she still plays competitive ultimate frisbee.

 

The speed and quality of emergency response make a huge difference.  I don't think framing it as "dead for 9 minutes" is terribly productive (or accurate).

 

If y'all want to do something productive with your ass today, call the local red cross and enroll in a CPR class; ask about getting one taught in your workplace; ask if there's a workplace "emergency squad" and join it to get trained in CPR and AED use.  CPR has been made way simpler since I certified as an instructor 4+ decades ago.  Both are straightforward to learn, will only take a couple hours of your time, and could literally save the life of a colleague or family member (or even a random stranger) some day.

Honestly except for him having pads on it is about the best scenario for a recovery. Oddly the others are at casinos. They have cameras everywhere and response times are better.

Sadly there is an unpredictable nature to neurologic recovery.  I've seen it multiple times. There are people who you expect to wake up and be fine and there are others that you think won't recover that do. Only time will tell.

[Bermuda Triangle]

40 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

This was definitely McDermott’s finest moment.  I criticize the guy sometimes, but he’s a good human being.  No way he was putting his team back on the field.  

He's a great leader of men, and an even better person.

 

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think, mentally, it’s a stretch for them to play Sunday vs the pats let alone try to get this cincy game in. They are supposed to start practicing tomorrow for the pats game. Don’t see that happening quite yet. Yes, they will obviously need to play the pats game. Just not sure what that schedule will look like this week in preparation.

the post I quoted regarding the Mood instantly changes based off of a positive prognosis/news regarding Hamlins' condition: Might the Bills indeed rally by playing the pasts* meh I dunno yolo.  But we read no real prognosis until it would then be too late.....

 

bugger

[ddaryl]

56 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

Workplaces often will sponsor and pay for it, ask your HR department 

 

mine use to. I use to get trained yearly but they stopped.

 

well trained but I like my refreshers

[BillsFanNC]

34 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Did not realize this happened to Chris Pronger in the NHL as well..

 

 

 

Praying for Damar.

 

 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

mine use to. I use to get trained yearly but they stopped.

 

well trained but I like my refreshers

 

I know it doesn't replace live training, but this would be better than nothing and free.

 

https://www.aedcpr.com/free-classes/

[Logic]

Like many others, I'm sure, I'm still at a loss this morning.

I was at the Kevin Everett game. At least that time around, we knew by the time we got home that evening that Everett was going to LIVE. This time, we don't even have that assurance.

I don't know that I have anything new to add that hasn't already been said. I'm sick, I'm heartbroken, and I don't care about football right now. 

We'll probably never know exactly what happened last night, as far as the league wanting the game to continue. There are reports that that is indeed what the NFL wanted, but the players and coaches essentially stepped in and said "we're not going back on the field". If so, good for them. At the very least, good for coach Taylor for going over to coach McDermott and offering to do whatever McDermott felt was best. I echo others' gratitude to the Bengals coaches, players, and fans for their class in this awful situation.

 

I don't know how the final two weeks of the season will play out for the Bills. It's a giant scheduling mess, not to mention the obvious mental health and trauma components that would currently make it almost impossible to ask those players to get back on the field and play football today or tomorrow. All of it, of course, is totally secondary to health of Damar Hamlin.

I wouldn't blame any of the players one bit if this was the "straw that broke the camel's back" this year. A person can only take so much grief and hardship.

It all seems like a bad dream. It still doesn't seem real. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Its amazing how we just have to move forward with life after a traumatic experience

As humans, we tend to highlight the positive touchstones and leave the negative ones behind.

 

in the end, it’s ALL life.

[BuffaloSol]

Man, Damar is such a good dude. Before this I really treated him like a back up player that I wouldn't follow, "since he was just a backup." This really just puts it all in perspective.....these guys are people, not just football players.

[Beck Water]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think, mentally, it’s a stretch for them to play Sunday vs the pats let alone try to get this cincy game in. They are supposed to start practicing tomorrow for the pats game. Don’t see that happening quite yet. Yes, they will obviously need to play the pats game. Just not sure what that schedule will look like this week in preparation.

 

This is where the leadership of the coaches matter.  In a lot of ways, it will be mentally healthy and mentally helpful for the team to keep their normal routine, with some obvious additions like a prayer session for Damar and the chance to speak to counselors and mental health professionals. 

 

I would hope that the Bills have a little bit more information than is available to the general public at this point.  If the speculation about commotio cordis is true, it would be helpful to have physicians speak to the team and explain - it really is a very fluky rare thing.  If there is a piece of protective equipment that can be added to the pads, that would help too.

 

But it would probably help everyone to have as normal of a week as they can.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Busy with work today - but I just had to post something.  Anything - just wanted to be part of this community today.

 

So prayers for Damar.  Have always liked his story since he was drafted.  Don't know if you saw the video where he said a couple weeks ago, he squeezes childhood friend Dane Jackson's hand sometimes to let him feel the love and because they don't know how long their time playing together will last.  Praying for a repeat of the Pronger experience - if you watch the video, Pronger went down in a very similar way to Damar.  Worried about how long he was out, but I am assuming that he was treated for 9 minutes does not mean he necessarily mean he had no heartbeat for that long.  Who knows how long until the defibrillator?  I don't think anyone except those who treated him (if anyone has anything please let us know).  

 

Also prayers for Damar's family and friends, for his teammates, and for Tee Higgins and the Bengals.  All must be in shock.  Bills to the end. 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Renewing my CPR/First Aid asap.

 

Prayers continue for Damar!! Please be ok young man.

 

Football doesnt matter!

 

[chongli]

 

[appoo]

24 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I agree, and I've been through some of that with my dad and his heart attacks. Having said that though, if the team and fans get good news regarding hamlin, the team could potentially rally around that. I'm just thinking out loud here, but I'd imagine if a family member was in hamlins condition, and then my family gets great news that that family member is going to be ok, that completely changes the mood. I dunno. Just putting thoughts out there 

A few years ago my mom found out she had MAJOR blockages across 3 arteries (she felt a bit of chest pain and went in for a check up), and needed major, almost immediate heart surgery. They waited i think 48 hours to get her ready.

 

Entire family plus much extended family flew in for the hospital, and then waited an agonizing 8 hours. And then the Doctor said she came through the surgery well.

 

and then we all went out for Thai and EVERYONE was in great mood.

 

Just desperately hoping that Damar’s family and his teammates get this kind of uplifting update, which allow them a much easier time to process all the trauma of witnessing this.

[chongli]

 

[DrPJax]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I don’t think the team bounces back that quick. Anytime you are exposed to what they watched happen last night it takes time to recover. Witnessing someone being administered life saving measures isn’t easy to watch. This isn’t like anything anyone has seen before. They have seen players immobilized before, but seeing some receiving CPR and have a defibrillator used is a visual they won’t soon forget. I am as big a Bills fan as anyone else. If this team, or some players, didn’t want to play another down this season I wouldn’t blame them a bit.

Go Bills! 

Great explanation. Literally his life was on the line. It takes a great deal of training to function intelligently and in the correct order when it ‘counts for real’ , and it was really life and death.  It’s like witnessing someone having a seizure; I don’t care how many you have seen they are always very stressful and frightening!   I think if he comes around ok tho, things might change dramatically mood wise and the players could be elated in that sense and might want to play.  I didn’t feel that way at first , but if he is fortunate because the resuscitation was so rapid , it might turn the entire mood around and they could look at it as a miracle and be such a relief that playing might be perfect to put this behind them.  I think it all depends on the outcome and how great would it feel if he was off the vent by wed or Thursday?unfortunately we just don’t know which way things are going To go. He and the Bills could sure use some good fortune and a small miracle would be amazing for Hamlin, the bills , and all of buffalo. Really praying and wishing that it goes that way,,,,,its still possible !  

[Big Turk]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/damar-hamlin-collapse-bills-bengals-game-intl-hnk/index.html

[Dillenger4]

We are with you Damar! We are with you boys and this team will forever be our Champions!

[NoSaint]

10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This is where the leadership of the coaches matter.  In a lot of ways, it will be mentally healthy and mentally helpful for the team to keep their normal routine, with some obvious additions like a prayer session for Damar and the chance to speak to counselors and mental health professionals. 

 

I would hope that the Bills have a little bit more information than is available to the general public at this point.  If the speculation about commotio cordis is true, it would be helpful to have physicians speak to the team and explain - it really is a very fluky rare thing.  If there is a piece of protective equipment that can be added to the pads, that would help too.

 

But it would probably help everyone to have as normal of a week as they can.

everyone handles it different and we will all project our own preferred method on it but I’ve admittedly been a person that appreciates the opportunity to be distracted. I can only fill so many hours with worry or grief. 
 

I suspect today will see a big team meeting to talk about some of the what do we do now personally and professionally- and I think our staff is exceptional at that 

 

probably light workouts, film and general being together today with a lot of flexibility and then get into the grind tomorrow barring a catastrophic update today 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Goin Breakdown]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I'm so glad that other teams are pulling together here. I really feel the this whole week should be on pause to support one another and it's show that life is what's important and not "getting back at it". 

[appoo]

I’m 43. A life long sports nut who immigrated to Buffalo at 2, lived upstate NY till 5th grade, before moving to PA and eventually going to Penn State. I bleed sports and where I’m most passionate along with just having empathy for my fellow humans.

 

I have NEVER felt this low around sports in my life, and I hope I never will. No loss comes even remotely close to this. I think perhaps it’s the reminder of the reality that I use sports to escape from that partially makes it so upsetting, along with the natural empathy one has for the players and team you passionately root for, and remembering the feel of what it’s like to be in a football locker room for 4 years in HS

[Steptide]

3 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I'm so glad that other teams are pulling together here. I really feel the this whole week should be on pause to support one another and it's show that life is what's important and not "getting back at it". 

Agree. I can see Goodell sitting in his office slamming his fist on the desk. I Garentee he'll do everything in his power to keep the nfl on schedule 

[DrPJax]

17 minutes ago, appoo said:

A few years ago my mom found out she had MAJOR blockages across 3 arteries (she felt a bit of chest pain and went in for a check up), and needed major, almost immediate heart surgery. They waited i think 48 hours to get her ready.

 

Entire family plus much extended family flew in for the hospital, and then waited an agonizing 8 hours. And then the Doctor said she came through the surgery well.

 

and then we all went out for Thai and EVERYONE was in great mood.

 

Just desperately hoping that Damar’s family and his teammates get this kind of uplifting update, which allow them a much easier time to process all the trauma of witnessing this.

Great story. Thx for sharing.  Glad your mom did well!   A small positive miracle would go a long way for the bills and Buffalo and the Hamlins.  You guys are due up there for something good!

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

39 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

He's a great leader of men, and an even better person.

 

We are extremely lucky to have McD. I hope he’s around for the next 20 years. With this and the Tre White situation he puts players health first & foremost. I have tremendous respect for this man. 

[HappyDays]

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

9 minutes ago, appoo said:

I’m 43. A life long sports nut who immigrated to Buffalo at 2, lived upstate NY till 5th grade, before moving to PA and eventually going to Penn State. I bleed sports and where I’m most passionate along with just having empathy for my fellow humans.

 

I have NEVER felt this low around sports in my life, and I hope I never will. No loss comes even remotely close to this. I think perhaps it’s the reminder of the reality that I use sports to escape from that partially makes it so upsetting, along with the natural empathy one has for the players and team you passionately root for, and remembering the feel of what it’s like to be in a football locker room for 4 years in HS

This morning WGR was discussing basically what you said in the 2nd paragraph. To so many football is an escape so something like this may have an added aspect of difficulty in dealing with how to process. Not that it isn’t always tough to process no matter the circumstance…

Edited January 3, 2023 by JohnBonhamRocks
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[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Casinos, eh? 

 

I expect the trainers have ways to get the pads off PDQ in emergency and practice regularly.  That practice may have a little more oomph around the league now.

 

 

I hear you.   My point is that he pretty much had the best case care - immediate oxygen admin, immediate CPR, immediate defib.  So talk about him being "dead for 9 minutes" is probably wide of the mark.  Could there be long term effects, as you say - we just have to wait.

I work security in different hospitals. I've seen many patients incubated and survive. I know each case is different but there is hope. The longer the incubation the less the patient has to survive. 

 

Prayers for #3🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[Big Turk]

 

 

[Goin Breakdown]

8 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

We are extremely lucky to have McD. I hope he’s around for the next 20 years. With this and the Tre White situation he puts players health first & foremost. I have tremendous respect for this man. 

This is so true. We all kind of rag on McD for the extra time and caution, but this is why. He sees these guy as what they entirely are...human. McDs focus is and has always been player first over the game. He needs more praise for that. Such a harsh year for injuries for this team. I'm glad we have this coach. 

[Draconator]

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

With the amount of money being donated to the charity, now north of $3.5 million and growing still I am confident that the right things will be done with the money in the end. The charity will be under a microscope. There will be house and senate subpoenas for investigation of wrongdoing if something goes sideways with this Go Fund Me. With such a small organization i am sure there may be some bugs that need to be worked out in the process.

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

Ok, so late to the post. I watched the game (Alone as usual as i can get very loud) and was absolutely stunned and then hurt and then just ............unbelievable. Damar playing his hard hitting game doing what he loves. May god give mercy to him and his family, and please allow him a chance at a recovery. Both the wife and i did not sleep much last night. You kind of take for granted your teams and your player and forget the human side as we cheer, rant and rave watching out teams play. As of now i do not care about the rest of this football year. Damar is the most important subject on our minds and that is where it should be. As Bills fans we are strong and band together through whatever is thrown our way and we will emerge stronger when we get through this. God Bless Damar and Buffalo.

[Success]

When I see what's happening w/ his charity, it really gives me renewed faith in humanity.  Yesterday was terrible, but the universal reaction has been so uplifting.  I've seen fans of bitter rivals hope Buffalo beats their team & goes all the way now.  Everyone is sending up prayers, the charity is getting incredible sums of money.  It's really amazing.

 

Buffalo deserves a little pat on the back for that.  Everything Bills fans have done involving charity really brings out the best in everyone. It's easy to get cynical about the future if you watch the news and see all of the division and strife, but what's happening right now w/ the support for Hamlin is really the best of who we are.  If we can tap into that on a larger scale, the future might be alright after all.