I’m starting to get extremely frustrated with Dorsey.

[FireChans]

Here’s the thing. I have never been a “fire the OC” guy. I think if you polled fans of 32 NFL teams, and ask them their biggest problem with their team, it would either be the OC or playcalling, two nebulous concepts that usually come down to more of a lack of execution than anything else.

 

All that being said, Dorsey is driving me nuts. I can live with getting away from the run a little bit. Josh is our best offensive weapon and anytime the ball isn’t in his hands, defenses are happy. 
 

What I cannot deal with is a lack of preparedness and what appears to be glaring schematic flaws. 
 

There were two separate occasions on deep shots tonight where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie were operating within 2 yards of each other. Unless one of those recievers ran the wrong route, there is exactly NO excuse for that. These were not flood concepts or rubs or anything like that. Just two guys running flag routes next to each other.

 

The other thing. Backup OLmen all over the field because of injuries, not his fault. But we go out there and try to catch the defense with cadence with two backups in on the OL? Is that a joke? Of course, Saffold jumped (which is even funnier) but I question the decision making at all.

 

Bottom line is the Bills offense is still really good. Statistically one of the best. But a lot of times, it feels to me that Josh ends games dragging this team to the finish line after mixed results for the first 3 Q’s. And you know, that’s fine. If that’s the story of the 2022 Bills offense, it’s still pretty good. 
 

But to me, I don’t think that’s the sum of our parts. I think that’s selling us short. 
 

As a positive, Knox was infinitely more involved today which was awesome to see and definitely worked. So you know, Dorsey isn’t hopeless. But these are the kind of things that I had hoped would be cleaned up by week 6,

Edited December 18, 2022 by FireChans

[EmotionallyUnstable]

32 points is NOT going to cut it

 

They scored three straight TDs on 4 first half possessions. The 3rd quarter was rough, and Allen masks a lot of the issues up front. They got it done with two straight scoring drives in the 4th (albeit mostly Allen)
 

Load up the OL as WR room next offseason and we’ll see how things adjust. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by EmotionallyUnstable

[Nextmanup]

I do feel like the play calling could be more imaginative and varied.

 

 

[GETTOTHE50]

Ken ‘it’s shotgun or nothing’ Dorsey 

[Billsfanatic8989]

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

32 points is NOT going to cut it

To me that's more Allen making something out of nothing.

 

Dorsey's play calling has been..."interesting" since the bye week.

 

 

[Real McClappy]

11-3.

[MPT]

Dorsey's scheme every week is just "figure it out, Josh." 

[DuckyBoys]

Daboll was not that different  Think were seeing some of the fallout from a team that failed to shore up its O line and that was before the injuries piled up  We dont have any difference makers on offense besides 17 and 14 and especially not on the O line

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Ken ‘it’s shotgun or nothing’ Dorsey 

 

Once Morse went out it would have been a big mistake to go under center.

 

Josh has large sure hands and even so, he was challenged on a couple of those plays.

[BuffaloRebound]

I hate how hard everything is.  Relying on Josh to constantly make super-human plays seems destined to come up short.  We’re the Elway Broncos before they got Terrell Davis and a running game.  

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

11-3.

That’s fine. I admit, it’s not like the Bills are bad.

 

Do you think the offense is operating to its full potential?

[AuntieEm]

2 minutes ago, MPT said:

Dorsey's scheme every week is just "figure it out, Josh." 

 

[BillsFan130]

I like the heavy pass approach, but where are the runs mixed in durian the drives? Where are the play actions?

 

Bills offence got 32 amd 450 plus yards, but that’s because Josh is an absolute animal

[Beck Water]

I’m starting to get ….frustrated isn’t the right word, “Bemused” by is better - fans on this board who can’t even enjoy the win for an hour without dunking on a player or two or a coach.

[Big Blitz]

The last series made up for a brutal 3rd quarter.  
 

That drive wasn’t just Allen - good combo of well timed runs that were all PIN AND PULL

[Comebackkid]

sometimes the bills offense is like driving a Porsche with the emergency brake on

[HaldimandBills]

Its a combination of poor oline play. Josh Allen playing hero ball and forcing the ball downfield instead of taking the easy 5 to 8 yards. Davis being a # 3 receiver not a # 2. Mckenzie being a gadget player not a slot receiver. 

 

I think I'll hold back on outright critism considering Allen finally threw for over 300 yards again and 4 pass tds. 

 

 

 

 

[Real McClappy]

Just now, DuckyBoys said:

Daboll was not that different  Think were seeing some of the fallout from a team that failed to shore up its O line and that was before the injuries piled up  We dont have any difference makers on offense besides 17 and 14 and especially not on the O line

And when we are 12-3 people will still be bitching. This team could be easily be 15-0 if you remove half the WR drops. Why is it so shocking to fans we have the real deal Holyfield at QB that the OC relies on?

[Punching Bag]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

I’m starting to get ….frustrated isn’t the right word, “Bemused” by is better - fans on this board who can’t even enjoy the win for an hour without dunking on a player or two or a coach.

 

Yes some have permanent damage; this has been reported repeatedly by released patients of BBMS.

[sullim4]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Here’s the thing. I have never been a “fire the OC” guy.

Your name is literally "FireChans".

 

I mean... I guess Modkins was the offensive coordinator for Gailey?  But Chan was the de facto offensive coordinator.

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

32 points is NOT going to cut it

 

They scored three straight TDs on 4 first half possessions. The 3rd quarter was rough, and Allen masks a lot of the issues up front. They got it done with two straight scoring drives in the 4th (albeit mostly Allen)
 

Load up the OL as WR room next offseason and we’ll see how things adjust. 

The issue is teams adjust to Dorsey at halftime and he doesn’t respond.  The biggest issue is most of our yards come off Allen improvising because our receivers are not getting open on their routes initially.  And a big part of that is play design.  
 

Allen is so talented he keeps over coming these play calling short comings, but doesn’t mean they aren’t an issue.

[MAJBobby]

I don’t understand why since the KC game this offense cannot get out of its own way after halftime? 

[Bangarang]

I think his called run plays can be too predictable and it seems like wasted plays after the defense just pins their ears back because they know what’s coming. 
 

It also seems like there are too many long developing routes and we try and push it downfield too often. 
 

The play calling in the 3rd quarter tonight was certainly frustrating.

[buffblue]

9 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Ken ‘it’s shotgun or nothing’ Dorsey 

Formations are so, so predictable. We would be the easiest team to defend in the league if Allen wasn't a superstar

[MPT]

1 minute ago, sullim4 said:

Your name is literally "FireChans".

 

I mean... I guess Modkins was the offensive coordinator for Gailey?  But Chan was the de facto offensive coordinator.

 

Ironically, we haven't been able to run a successful screen play since then.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

And when we are 12-3 people will still be bitching. This team could be easily be 15-0 if you remove half the WR drops. Why is it so shocking to fans we have the real deal Holyfield at QB that the OC relies on?

Lol so you agree the offense isn’t perfect and there’s room to criticize, you just disagree with the direction. Perfect

[buffalo2218]

Why should it stop at Dorsey? Frazier and especially Kromer deserve some flak themselves. God I wished we had Schwartz back, this defense would be so brutally nasty with him.

[Success]

He has some really good moments. But I also feel like when we get down in the score, Allen becomes kind of an easy button for him & the offense.  

 

I was really happy in the 1st half - JA didn't really run much, and it looked more like a balanced offense (we should have run a little more, but overall, it wasn't bad).  Then once things went south in the 1st quarter - it was just about letting Josh make plays. Which, as we know, he CAN do - but it's too much for one player, week after week.

 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

Your name is literally "FireChans".

 

I mean... I guess Modkins was the offensive coordinator for Gailey?  But Chan was the de facto offensive coordinator.

I forgot about that. I did want Chan fired. Nice guy tho. Ah, memories. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Honestly wish we could tell Dorsey and Allen every drive that there is only 4 minutes left and we have to score. 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

I'm with you on this. Dorsey got figured out by week 6-7 and has not been able to adjust and use the talents of his players. It's Josh ball or no ball. I'm happy to see Knox get more targets but Davis needs to get his mojo back. I'm hoping another week of Cole will help with some quick shots over the middle. We will need them if Morse is out. Josh hasn't had time to work, so I'm not sure if it's all on the play calling or just a lack of being able to execute with a crappy OL.

 

One thing I do expect is for Dorsey to come up with a scheme or concepts that get the ball out quicker. The Diggs screen was a joke with Shakir whiffing on a block. Put the right people in the right place to do the right thing. Dorsey hasn't done that lately and his job should not be secure. 

[HaldimandBills]

I think the frustration really boils down to the fact the Bills legit only have one scary weapon in Diggs and a very basic oline. 

 

Dorsey's play calling can be frustrating at times but honestly isn't that all OCs? I remember losing my mind at Daboll. 

 

Ita just annoying looking around the league and seeing the Bengals, Cowboys, Eagles, Niners, Dolphins with vastly superior weapons and the Chiefs with a vastly superior oline. 

 

11 - 3 sounds pretty good though

[AuntieEm]

8 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

 

   I actually think Josh maybe has too much input in what plays get called.  Also we never know how often Josh may switch up the called play into another play.  I'm thinking it's a bit and that an equal number of the bad Allen plays get offset by his wow Josh allen is not being denied.  Probably fuelled by his being upset with himself.  It's big reason they don't really put him into lock down run plays as called.  May be completely wrong but it's just the vibe get.

Edited December 18, 2022 by AuntieEm

[Deep Voice]

11 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

11-3.

 

YEAH

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The issue is teams adjust to Dorsey at halftime and he doesn’t respond.  The biggest issue is most of our yards come off Allen improvising because our receivers are not getting open on their routes initially.  And a big part of that is play design.  
 

Allen is so talented he keeps over coming these play calling short comings, but doesn’t mean they aren’t an issue.

Wow an Alpha post that I can 100% get behind. Should we call CJ Spiller to let him know the news?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I hope tonight marks the start of Knox becoming the #2 pass catching option for this team.

[Artful Dodger]

The Bills seem most effective in the two minute offense when Allen is making most of the decisions.  I remember something similar 35 years ago when the Bills noticed that Kelly could move the ball at will in the hurry up offense. Eventually they used the hurry up offense nearly all the time and Kelly called most of the plays.  The Bills didn't go to those four Super Bowls because of their defense.  Perhaps the Bills should give the Allen the reins for a series or two and see what happens when he calls his own plays.

[Beast]

450 yards, 32 points and a win.

 

I guess it’s his fault they didn’t put up 600 and 50.

 

I guess it’s also his fault the o-line play went to ***** when Morse left the game.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Beast

[gobills404]

When the offense does well it’s all thanks to Josh and when the offense has a bad drive/game it’s because of Dorsey. Same thing every week.

[HaldimandBills]

2 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

I'm with you on this. Dorsey got figured out by week 6-7 and has not been able to adjust and use the talents of his players. It's Josh ball or no ball. I'm happy to see Knox get more targets but Davis needs to get his mojo back. I'm hoping another week of Cole will help with some quick shots over the middle. We will need them if Morse is out. Josh hasn't had time to work, so I'm not sure if it's all on the play calling or just a lack of being able to execute with a crappy OL.

 

One thing I do expect is for Dorsey to come up with a scheme or concepts that get the ball out quicker. The Diggs screen was a joke with Shakir whiffing on a block. Put the right people in the right place to do the right thing. Dorsey hasn't done that lately and his job should not be secure. 

 

Was he figured out or did Josh Allen and the oline get hurt and the Bills ran into superior teams? 

 

People are really downplaying Josh Allen's injury and also the fact the Bills basically didn't practice during the Vikings - Browns - Lions stretch which was followed by the Pats and Jets. Two top 5 defenses and a Miami defense with a nasty dline with two starting olinemen out.