oldmanfan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Call your OC into the office tomorrow, and tell him as HC you want to see the offense run the ball. And if he doesn’t want to call them, you will. 3 5 5 1 4 2 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Yeah! If he isn't paying attention, clap! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Nah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Herbert's instincts in the pocket tonight... it's like he's got spider sense or something. If he had gone through a proper throwing motion, Van Ginkel strip sacks him and somehow he knew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 What happens if we go three and out every possession because our o-line can't run block? 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I don't think everyone will agree with the OP but I think the idea has merit. 14 carries by people other than Josh in bad weather (yes, the players say it wasn't bad but look at all the drops) isn't enough. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Give the Rookies (Elam & Shakir) a shot. Send a message to Davis, improve or your out. Bench Dane Jackson. More quick passes to beat the rush. Put Allen under center for some of the running plays to the running back so they don't have to run 7 yds to reach the line of scrimmage. Don't challenge clear catches by the other team. Use extra lotion to prevent chapped hands from clapping. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Call your OC into the office tomorrow, and tell him as HC you want to see the offense run the ball. And if he doesn’t want to call them, you will. HC has communication with OC during game? I mentioned in postgame thread that HC should be intervening throughout the game when he feels the game is going awry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: HC has communication with OC during game? I mentioned in postgame thread that HC should be intervening throughout the game when he feels the game is going awry I agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Call your OC into the office tomorrow, and tell him as HC you want to see the offense run the ball. And if he doesn’t want to call them, you will. THIS. My major concern going forward... it's criminal giving up on the run after the kinds of runs we got off today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I think he's got this and doesn't need some random dudes help on a message board. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I dont need them to run more, but I sure as heck need them to utilize the short passing game if they A. Refuse to Run and B. The defense is playing a 2 high shell. They have to start taking what the defense is giving them. The insistence to try and force it down the field when they offensive line cant block worth a dang drives me absolutely nuts! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I think he's got this and doesn't need some random dudes help on a message board. I don't think so... in the playoffs the inability to stick to running the ball and keep the opposing offense off the field costs you dearly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just now, EasternOHBillsFan said: I don't think so... in the playoffs the inability to stick to running the ball and keep the opposing offense off the field costs you dearly. Yeah.. No. This isn't 1976. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 my advice to coach mcd: credit cards are free money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Yeah.. No. This isn't 1976. Really? It's not about 1976. Did you even WATCH Chiefs/Bengals, two playoff teams, and how they Bengals kept Mahomes on the sideline in their win? I guess not... it's 2022. https://theathletic.com/3969863/2022/12/05/chiefs-loss-bengals-patrick-mahomes/ Edited December 12, 2022 by EasternOHBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Tyreek Hill is Questionable to return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 They can also stop running Cook on a sweep on first down of a critical clock killing drive late. Singletary is better, and he runs well between the tackles. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: What happens if we go three and out every possession because our o-line can't run block? Don't laugh. It's very possible. Our OL is beyond a train wreck. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 39 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Call your OC into the office tomorrow, and tell him as HC you want to see the offense run the ball. And if he doesn’t want to call them, you will. And this particular game if we had to go three and out a bunch of times running the ball, we still probably would’ve won because our Defense was destroying them, but we can’t depend on that every week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Let's go back to 1984 and see how well it works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 49 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Call your OC into the office tomorrow, and tell him as HC you want to see the offense run the ball. And if he doesn’t want to call them, you will. McDermott doesn't read this board. I doubt he is on social media 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Jets dline ate our oline up for lunch today……just be happy we got outta there with a dub! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: Jets dline ate our oline up for lunch today……just be happy we got outta there with a dub! It was a defensive battle today. Our defensive line destroy theirs as well. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Dorsey’s seat keeps getting warmer and warmer, as it should when your offense is struggling with Josh Allen at the helm. If things don’t get sorted out by the postseason Buffalo should move on from him and maybe he can take Joe Brady with him. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I dont need them to run more, but I sure as heck need them to utilize the short passing game if they A. Refuse to Run and B. The defense is playing a 2 high shell. They have to start taking what the defense is giving them. The insistence to try and force it down the field when they offensive line cant block worth a dang drives me absolutely nuts! I think you make a great point, but look at all the drops on short passes today ( knox, motor, mckenzie killed two drives on short passes right in his hands , and early Josh was off even missing a quick slant to Diggs,) I will watch the all 22 but I don’t remember Josh throwing many deep balls at all today. If they don’t have so many drops , the offense looks a heck of a lot better. This o line also killed drives with holding penalties again. Like you said tho, at other times Josh seemed to go back to holding the ball longer as he was going thru reads ; will be interesting to see if guys were free on shorter routes and if he chose again to not take the short routes waiting for longer ones to open. Watching how much Miami is blitzing tonight looks worrisome as this o line struggles protecting Josh. Next week they better have ways to get the ball out quickly , like even using Smoke in the slot as he and Josh had good chemistry on quick slants I think. But they can’t keep having the drops and penalties or the fins will really be more of a problem. Man,They send guys relentlessly, so the receivers have to help Josh , including the backs as hot routes. It hurts both the pass and run game with lack of a good 2 nd tight end as well , as Gilliam has not contributed much as a receiver recently. Dorsey needs to have a good game creatively next week ( like the great 4 th down call today) because I just don’t see the fins only sending 4 and we can’t have guys untouched right in Josh’s face immediately all night. It would be interesting if the Bills can somewhat mimic what they did in the first game ( 90 offensive plays) and take the short stuff early , the Fins D will wear down and can be run on later. The big issue tho , is ball security either by running more or receivers actually not dropping passes for us to handle the fins , and hope our corners, LBs , and safeties are healthy going into the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: I dont need them to run more, but I sure as heck need them to utilize the short passing game if they A. Refuse to Run and B. The defense is playing a 2 high shell. They have to start taking what the defense is giving them. The insistence to try and force it down the field when they offensive line cant block worth a dang drives me absolutely nuts! 💯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just curious, does anyone have stats on how many runs / short passes were called in previous years compared to this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 The Bills had 13 runs to Motor (8, really?), Cook (4), and McKittrick (1). There were 9 runs to Josh, so let's call those 4 designed, 5 scrambles. So with 34 pass attempts, the Bills called 39 passes to 17 runs (2.3x more passes than runs). With the weather conditions today, that's idiotic. Dorsey is ridiculously pass happy, and he needs to rein that ***** in. Today was a really bad day to completely abandon the run, yet he did. Yes, we won, but the balance in this offense was non-existent today. We'll need that to beat the better teams in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Dear OpEd, if I see another called unprotected Josh weak sign wide run on 3rd and 5 I will puke. That’s what he should say. We scored points when we threw not the other way around. Passing the ball short is like running the ball and we seem to have stopped that. We use the pass and play action pass to setup the run, not the other way around!!!!! 10 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: The Bills had 13 runs to Motor (8, really?), Cook (4), and McKittrick (1). There were 9 runs to Josh, so let's call those 4 designed, 5 scrambles. So with 34 pass attempts, the Bills called 39 passes to 17 runs (2.3x more passes than runs). With the weather conditions today, that's idiotic. Dorsey is ridiculously pass happy, and he needs to rein that ***** in. Today was a really bad day to completely abandon the run, yet he did. Yes, we won, but the balance in this offense was non-existent today. We'll need that to beat the better teams in the playoffs. False narrative. KC doesn’t win playoff games running, neither does Cinci or Miami. It’s pass first. The Ravens and Titans model is not winning in the AFC playoffs. Only one team will be running the ball and it will be the NFC team in the Super Bowl. Even Philly is pass first. Edited December 12, 2022 by Locomark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenoNVBillsfan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Motor averaged nearly 5.0 yards a carry today, 3.9 last week vs the Pats. I do not understand why he is not given 1 game to prove he can be a bell cow runner. One game…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, Locomark said: Dear OpEd, if I see another called unprotected Josh weak sign wide run on 3rd and 5 I will puke. That’s what he should say. We scored points when we threw not the other way around. Passing the ball short is like running the ball and we seem to have stopped that. We use the pass and play action pass to setup the run, not the other way around!!!!! False narrative. KC doesn’t win playoff games running, neither does Cinci or Miami. It’s pass first. The Ravens and Titans model is not winning in the AFC playoffs. Only one team will be running the ball and it will be the NFC team in the Super Bowl. Even Philly is pass first. In a game like today’s with the weather and the Jets practically inviting us to run, you run the ball more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Dorsey did not call a good game. Our offensive line is bad. We have GOT to figure out a short passing game and quick. The W is all that matters, and the Jets' D is no joke. Onward. Edited December 12, 2022 by NickelCity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I dont need them to run more, but I sure as heck need them to utilize the short passing game if they A. Refuse to Run and B. The defense is playing a 2 high shell. They have to start taking what the defense is giving them. The insistence to try and force it down the field when they offensive line cant block worth a dang drives me absolutely nuts! It’s hard to take what the defense is giving you when McKenzie and singletary are consistently dropping dumpoffs lol I also think people underestimate how much the defensive line can disrupt the short passing game by flooding the passing lanes Edited December 12, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Locomark said: Dear OpEd, if I see another called unprotected Josh weak sign wide run on 3rd and 5 I will puke. That’s what he should say. We scored points when we threw not the other way around. Passing the ball short is like running the ball and we seem to have stopped that. We use the pass and play action pass to setup the run, not the other way around!!!!! False narrative. KC doesn’t win playoff games running, neither does Cinci or Miami. It’s pass first. The Ravens and Titans model is not winning in the AFC playoffs. Only one team will be running the ball and it will be the NFC team in the Super Bowl. Even Philly is pass first. Pass first is fine. But not 2.3x pass/run plays in a driving rain. I looked up the Cinci and KC box scores and they were maybe 1.3-1.5x pass/run. We gonna disagree on this one. Edited December 12, 2022 by Freddie's Dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: I think he's got this and doesn't need some random dudes help on a message board. Professionals gain wisdom from commoners more often than you think. There is a reason why we work in “teams”. 10 average brains are collectively smarter than 1 high IQ brain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Locomark said: Dear OpEd, if I see another called unprotected Josh weak sign wide run on 3rd and 5 I will puke. That’s what he should say. We scored points when we threw not the other way around. Passing the ball short is like running the ball and we seem to have stopped that. We use the pass and play action pass to setup the run, not the other way around!!!!! False narrative. KC doesn’t win playoff games running, neither does Cinci or Miami. It’s pass first. The Ravens and Titans model is not winning in the AFC playoffs. Only one team will be running the ball and it will be the NFC team in the Super Bowl. Even Philly is pass first. Miami doesnt win playoff games at all what are you talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Marv Levy on advice for coaches: "If you start listening to the fans, soon you're going to be sitting with them." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 My advice to Coach McDermott would be keep up the good work buddy. Bills are 10-3 and #1 seed in the AFC and 5-3 in one score games. Keep up the good work. That is all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: What happens if we go three and out every possession because our o-line can't run block? "when", not "if" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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