Week 13: Bills at Pats on TNF

[Southern_Bills]

Allen seems to elevate his play for the Patriots. Hopefully that continues. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

48 minutes ago, Realist said:

Not too worried about NE's running game next week, however, our defense has made Goff, Brisset, and Zack freakin' Wilson look the next coming Tom Brady.

 

I know we were missing a couple of guys but our offensive line was terrible against the Lions. Spencer Brown had a career worst game and I've already seen a bunch of career worst games from him prior to Thursday. If they don't get better, Allen is going to get killed back there or make some horrible mistakes. 

 

With all of our injuries,  this going to be a very difficult game.

To be fair,  Cleveland and Detroit are two of the best offenses in the league.  We actually held Detroit under their average yardage/ point totals believe it or not lol. Cleveland was about 20 yards over their average but a big chunk of that was garbage time 
 

if we had klein instead of Bernard/Dodson for the jets game there’s no way they would’ve cracked double digits.  Those two guys are just not nfl caliber yet. Kleins pretty average but Dodson has been awful so it’s a huge upgrade if edmunds is still out especially because he’s a solid run defender and the pats like to run 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I thought Parker was hurt. I could be wrong the point being I don’t think their quarterback is that good

Last 2 games he has played good and amazing with a QBR over 100 for both games.  The Pats O issue is stupid penalties like false starts and holding.. that kill a drive and or allow for the D pin their ears back to pass rush. 
 

BUT anyone who is honest will say they are not sure what Jones is yet. He could be a good QB or a bust still. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

Allen seems to elevate his play for the Patriots. Hopefully that continues. 

Should be an interesting game…I don’t doubt belichicks ability to minimize diggs’ impact this season but they’ve got a mostly new crew of linebackers who seem to have struggled against qbs that can run

 

it does seem to me that with his elbow injury they are making a more concerted effort to not run josh as much though so I’m expecting a close one.  Really gotta win this one for tiebreaker considerations with Miami if we want to take the division
 

I think pats,dolphins, and bills will likely all make the playoffs though. Cincy overtook the jets as expected 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[nosejob]

IMO, the Hoodie's gonna try to find success by either...getting another performance from Jones like Thursday's, or run over Taron Johnson all day if the Bills are gonna commit to nickle. (see also last year).

 

If Edmunds is in they need to run a 4-3 and rotate blitzing a LB on every play....unless it's 3rd and long and they want to send Johnson. The main point being that they need to lay the wood to Alfred E. Jones and get him all red in the face and such right off the bat.

A.J. Klein is gonna end up saving our butts at points. I am so glad he's back.

 

They should be able to play man with safety help on Parker.

Edited November 26, 2022 by nosejob

[PatsFanNH]

21 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

To be fair,  Cleveland and Detroit are two of the best offenses in the league.  We actually held Detroit under their average yardage/ point totals believe it or not lol. Cleveland was about 20 yards over their average but a big chunk of that was garbage time 
 

if we had klein instead of Bernard/Dodson for the jets game there’s no way they would’ve cracked double digits.  Those two guys are just not nfl caliber yet. Kleins pretty average but Dodson has been awful so it’s a huge upgrade if edmunds is still out especially because he’s a solid run defender and the pats like to run 

You do know NE made both of those O look bad right? Both those QBs suck you know that right? 
 

that said I want see Mac continue play smart and deliver quick fast strikes. I don’t expect them to win I just want see the O play well again and maybe just maybe a punt or two forced by the D. 

[zow2]

This game worries me..  I want Allen healthy for the two home games vs Jets and Miami.   You could tell McD was frustrated that Josh took contact in that Detroit game when he could've slid earlier.  I would really keep Allen protected in this one.  Yes we want to win, but this is where the D and RB's need to carry it.  The Pats are going to want to make a statement here from last seasons embarrasment.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

You do know NE made both of those O look bad right? Both those QBs suck you know that right? 
 

that said I want see Mac continue play smart and deliver quick fast strikes. I don’t expect them to win I just want see the O play well again and maybe just maybe a punt or two forced by the D. 

Idk what has gotten into them recently then though because they were consistently dropping dimes into tight coverage the last few weeks lol  there is also a lot more to offense than qb play as I assumed a pats fan would know 😂

 

we also had the biggest defensive liability I’ve ever seen in my life at LB when one of edmunds/Milano is out that we recently plugged up by signing Klein who played pretty well this week.  I think the pats are catching us a week or two too late 

 

[Boatdrinks]

18 minutes ago, zow2 said:

This game worries me..  I want Allen healthy for the two home games vs Jets and Miami.   You could tell McD was frustrated that Josh took contact in that Detroit game when he could've slid earlier.  I would really keep Allen protected in this one.  Yes we want to win, but this is where the D and RB's need to carry it.  The Pats are going to want to make a statement here from last seasons embarrasment.  

Thank goodness Allen didn’t slide. They needed every yard and the slide would have changed the spot for the kick by quite a bit. 2 less yards and that kick was probably no good. They needed to win the game and if it requires Allen to sell out then so be it. 

[stevewin]

26 minutes ago, zow2 said:

This game worries me..  I want Allen healthy for the two home games vs Jets and Miami.   You could tell McD was frustrated that Josh took contact in that Detroit game when he could've slid earlier.  I would really keep Allen protected in this one.  Yes we want to win, but this is where the D and RB's need to carry it.  The Pats are going to want to make a statement here from last seasons embarrasment.  

This is what worries me -  the Cheaters looking to take cheap shots at Josh like they did in 2019 when they concussed him with a cheap shot.  Sliding is not necessarily protection when the other team is trying to injure you with cheap shots

[RobbRiddick]

5 minutes ago, stevewin said:

This is what worries me -  the Cheaters looking to take cheap shots at Josh like they did in 2019 when they concussed him with a cheap shot.  Sliding is not necessarily protection when the other team is trying to injure you with cheap shots

Absolutely. The entire franchise is scum and they're taught to play like scum, hence the Brady and Jones trips we've seen this season.

 

They'll definitely be going after Allen's elbow every chance they get

[Boatdrinks]

42 minutes ago, stevewin said:

This is what worries me -  the Cheaters looking to take cheap shots at Josh like they did in 2019 when they concussed him with a cheap shot.  Sliding is not necessarily protection when the other team is trying to injure you with cheap shots

They will definitely be looking to apply a head shot, I have no doubt about that. They don’t care about a flag or a fine. 

[BuffaninSarasota]

16 hours ago, Clyde Smith said:

 

Added Mac Kittrick

No

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I assume that the Pats will play a lot of man. That means that Josh running and McKenzie beating man coverage will

be key to this game. McKenzie is really going to need to be on point.

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Thank goodness Allen didn’t slide. They needed every yard and the slide would have changed the spot for the kick by quite a bit. 2 less yards and that kick was probably no good. They needed to win the game and if it requires Allen to sell out then so be it. 

What is sad is that when the Bills needs a few extra yards, in critical situations like this, Allen is where they have to go to gain the yards.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

Allen seems to elevate his play for the Patriots. Hopefully that continues. 

He needs to get healthy. Romo was spot on saying Allen is hurt. 

[Bubba Gump]

14 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

He needs to get healthy. Romo was spot on saying Allen is hurt. 

 

You needed Romo to inform you that Allen is hurt?? Pay attention much?

 

And it's the Pats.....I ain't scurred. Only thing that scares me is their dirty ass defense. Everyone should take a drink every time a Pats player tries to injure Josh. We'd all be passed out by halftime. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Bubba Gump

[Gugny]

44 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

You needed Romo to inform you that Allen is hurt?? Pay attention much?

 

And it's the Pats.....I ain't scurred. Only thing that scares me is their dirty ass defense. Everyone should take a drink every time a Pats player tries to injure Josh. We'd all be passed out by halftime. 

 

I bet it's his elbow.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

What is sad is that when the Bills needs a few extra yards, in critical situations like this, Allen is where they have to go to gain the yards.

It was more sad that for years when they needed critical yards they didn’t have a QB that could get them. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

You do know NE made both of those O look bad right? Both those QBs suck you know that right? 
 

that said I want see Mac continue play smart and deliver quick fast strikes. I don’t expect them to win I just want see the O play well again and maybe just maybe a punt or two forced by the D. 

I'll give this guy credit, at least he shows up game week, unlike the jets or fish fans 

[Pokebball]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

It was more sad that for years when they needed critical yards they didn’t have a QB that could get them. 

I'm most happy with Josh. It's unfortunate we have to ride him as much as we do. But it is what it is. I hope he stays healthy!

Edited November 27, 2022 by Pokebball

[EmotionallyUnstable]

7 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

You do know NE made both of those O look bad right? Both those QBs suck you know that right? 
 

that said I want see Mac continue play smart and deliver quick fast strikes. I don’t expect them to win I just want see the O play well again and maybe just maybe a punt or two forced by the D. 

This is 💯 why I hope the Bills continue their upward trend of more man coverage for the following reasons:

 

-depleted edge rush

….with Miller out and Groot up the the air, I would love to see forcing the Pats to try and push the ball down the field. 

-return of White/Elam

…ramping up White’s snaps and Elam returning full strength, these are two inmediate upgrades in man coverage

-average skills players

…the Pats are average, at best, when it comes to their talent at WR, TE, RB. That’s not to say they can’t be successful, but I like our chances taking away the quick hitters, delaying the throw, forcing the ball to be held, creating multiple read scenarios, allowing for the interior rush to develop, etc. McD and Fraiser are very familiar with Parker, and Agolor and Myers are decent role players but neither can/will take over a game. Hunter Henry is a great piece, and likely a top 10 TE receiving option. The Bills have had their fair share of handling guys of this caliber (Kelce, Higbee, Andrews, etc) so far this year and have faired quite well in doing so.

 

I don’t think the defensive scheme that we’ve seen for years is going to up and vanish this week, but we have undoubtedly seen a shift in their balance and willingness to bring pressures from LBs and Safetys, as well we playing more press and man coverage. 
 

It will be interesting to see what looks the Pats try utilize. If I were them, I’d try and force the Bills out of nickel and then use motions or formations to find advantageous match ups against our 3rd backer (if edmunds is out). 

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

Saw a blurb on Twitter that Rapoport said Jerry Hughes and Levi Wallace both asked for their release, but couldn’t find him saying that anywhere. Hughes would be a great get as a bandaid until Von is back. Really wouldn’t mind Wallace either. 

[DapperCam]

With Groot, Miller (and Epenesa?) out we aren’t going to have much of a pass rush. Curious if the Pats will try to run all over us, or take advantage of the lack of pass rush and throw.

 

I kind of think they will try to run all over us. Offense will need to be sharp.

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

Saw a blurb on Twitter that Rapoport said Jerry Hughes and Levi Wallace both asked for their release, but couldn’t find him saying that anywhere. Hughes would be a great get as a bandaid until Von is back. Really wouldn’t mind Wallace either. 

Thats got to be a joke tweet. 
 

Hughes reportedly told Houston he didn’t want to be traded at the deadline. 
 

Levi asking for a release .. Steelers would just laugh at him and say no.   Who is he to be asking for that?

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Thats got to be a joke tweet. 
 

Hughes reportedly told Houston he didn’t want to be traded at the deadline. 
 

Levi asking for a release .. Steelers would just laugh at him and say no.   Who is he to be asking for that?

Yeah I have no idea. Rap doesn’t have anything on his Twitter about it so it’s probably just twitter BS. I could see Hughes not wanting to be traded and instead wanting his pick of destination but yeah I don’t see either happening. 

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

This is 💯 why I hope the Bills continue their upward trend of more man coverage for the following reasons:

 

-depleted edge rush

….with Miller out and Groot up the the air, I would love to see forcing the Pats to try and push the ball down the field. 

-return of White/Elam

…ramping up White’s snaps and Elam returning full strength, these are two inmediate upgrades in man coverage

-average skills players

…the Pats are average, at best, when it comes to their talent at WR, TE, RB. That’s not to say they can’t be successful, but I like our chances taking away the quick hitters, delaying the throw, forcing the ball to be held, creating multiple read scenarios, allowing for the interior rush to develop, etc. McD and Fraiser are very familiar with Parker, and Agolor and Myers are decent role players but neither can/will take over a game. Hunter Henry is a great piece, and likely a top 10 TE receiving option. The Bills have had their fair share of handling guys of this caliber (Kelce, Higbee, Andrews, etc) so far this year and have faired quite well in doing so.

 

I don’t think the defensive scheme that we’ve seen for years is going to up and vanish this week, but we have undoubtedly seen a shift in their balance and willingness to bring pressures from LBs and Safetys, as well we playing more press and man coverage. 
 

It will be interesting to see what looks the Pats try utilize. If I were them, I’d try and force the Bills out of nickel and then use motions or formations to find advantageous match ups against our 3rd backer (if edmunds is out). 

RB right now is average, but that’s because we no longer have the 1-2 punch of Harris and Stevenson.. together they are hard to stop and I dare say Stevenson is above average as a RB and a receiver.

 

You are right no true #1 receiver but you also said you only have 2 good CB who is covering all of them. 
 

Parker —is dangerous and if you don’t have a decent cover man he can make plays 

 

Meyers —  I think is above average, but doesn’t get the respect he deserves.. He catches almost everything thrown to him.

 

Agahlor — is very Average and his hands are 50/50 but he is capable having a big game and getting open

 

Bourne — a damn good receiver who for whatever reason Patricia doesn’t use enough.. I dare say the Pats best when he and Jones are clicking.

 

Henry — Agree a top TE and be hard for the Bills cover now with both your top safeties down. 
 

Thorton — a Rookie who has flashed a game or two.. has killer speed, fastest receiver in his class. 

 

J. Smith — our other big signing at TE. He can be dangerous… but he scares me whenever he gets the ball..

 

my point is while they are average to slightly above average who covers all of them after your top 2 and who can stay with Henry? I honestly am asking. 

 

Like I said I am not expecting a win, the Bills  are the better team. I am hoping for a good game with the O moving forward more. (And please please 1 or 2 Bills punts PLEASE! Lol)

[97bills]

8 hours ago, Rockinon said:

Pats can get after the QB and with the Bills OL issues, this could be a problem. However, JA is very good at avoiding the sack and scrambling. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will JA's elbow be less of an issue or will this be another game where he is tossing a lot of checkdown passes? I see Belichick trying to take away those quick dump offs. Could be the game that Allen goes back to airing it out after a full week of rest.

 

Also, with the OL issues, the running game is once again relying on JA to make up the difference. The running game was just starting to look good until injuries threw a monkey wrench into things.

 

Another concern is our ailing DEs. We need to keep the pressure on Jones. This is looking like another gut wrenching game. Don't really foresee a blowout....unless another week for Josh has arm feeling loose.

That’s my main concern there pass rush , and everyone knows BB is pissed about that butt kicking we gave them last year, he will have them ready to play and the crowd will be pumped. Buffalo has to match that intensity. 

[Richard Noggin]

46 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Parker —is dangerous and if you don’t have a decent cover man he can make plays 

Meyers —  I think is above average, but doesn’t get the respect he deserves.. He catches almost everything thrown to him.

Agahlor — is very Average and his hands are 50/50 but he is capable having a big game and getting open

Bourne — a damn good receiver who for whatever reason Patricia doesn’t use enough.. I dare say the Pats best when he and Jones are clicking.

Henry — Agree a top TE and be hard for the Bills cover now with both your top safeties down. 

Thorton — a Rookie who has flashed a game or two.. has killer speed, fastest receiver in his class. 

J. Smith — our other big signing at TE. He can be dangerous… but he scares me whenever he gets the ball..

 

my point is while they are average to slightly above average who covers all of them after your top 2 and who can stay with Henry? I honestly am asking. 

 

TBH, I don't know how the Bills can cover all SEVEN (7) of those routes on any given play. You win. More Belichick 4D chess. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Henry — Agree a top TE and be hard for the Bills cover now with both your top safeties down. 

 

Just a little info on this, Poyer has a golf ball on the back of his elbow but he did play this past game so I expect he will be playing this week as well.

[newcam2012]

22 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Just a little info on this, Poyer has a golf ball on the back of his elbow but he did play this past game so I expect he will be playing this week as well.

Has to be hard to play with one arm healthy. 

[Scott7975]

49 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Has to be hard to play with one arm healthy. 

 

Im sure it is but he is a pretty tough dude.  Of course, I am just assuming he still has that golf ball.  I havent actually seen what his elbow looks like since I saw that weeks ago.

[GolfandBills]

7 hours ago, Pokebball said:

I'm most happy with Josh. It's unfortunate we have to ride him as much as we do. But it is what it is. I hope he stays healthy!

He’s playing though same injury that put Rothelisberger out months 

4 hours ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

Saw a blurb on Twitter that Rapoport said Jerry Hughes and Levi Wallace both asked for their release, but couldn’t find him saying that anywhere. Hughes would be a great get as a bandaid until Von is back. Really wouldn’t mind Wallace either. 

No

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

RB right now is average, but that’s because we no longer have the 1-2 punch of Harris and Stevenson.. together they are hard to stop and I dare say Stevenson is above average as a RB and a receiver.

 

You are right no true #1 receiver but you also said you only have 2 good CB who is covering all of them. 
 

Parker —is dangerous and if you don’t have a decent cover man he can make plays 

 

Meyers —  I think is above average, but doesn’t get the respect he deserves.. He catches almost everything thrown to him.

 

Agahlor — is very Average and his hands are 50/50 but he is capable having a big game and getting open

 

Bourne — a damn good receiver who for whatever reason Patricia doesn’t use enough.. I dare say the Pats best when he and Jones are clicking.

 

Henry — Agree a top TE and be hard for the Bills cover now with both your top safeties down. 
 

Thorton — a Rookie who has flashed a game or two.. has killer speed, fastest receiver in his class. 

 

J. Smith — our other big signing at TE. He can be dangerous… but he scares me whenever he gets the ball..

 

my point is while they are average to slightly above average who covers all of them after your top 2 and who can stay with Henry? I honestly am asking. 

 

Like I said I am not expecting a win, the Bills  are the better team. I am hoping for a good game with the O moving forward more. (And please please 1 or 2 Bills punts PLEASE! Lol)

You know what’s kinda odd.  For how good Tre White is.. Parker always gave him trouble.  

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

Saw a blurb on Twitter that Rapoport said Jerry Hughes and Levi Wallace both asked for their release, but couldn’t find him saying that anywhere. Hughes would be a great get as a bandaid until Von is back. Really wouldn’t mind Wallace either. 

Would jump all over Hughes if I got that opportunity

[Chandler#81]

On 11/25/2022 at 4:39 PM, Steptide said:

Surprised nobody asked McDermott about the play calling. Someone did, but asked it in kind of weird way, so didn't really get a good answer 

Muki did -and just like Warrow, he’s incapable of formulating a coherent question.. Sean will always go with canned, open ended answers, but he needs clarity with these clowns so he can best BS them in his response.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Again I ask, who at the scheduling office hates the Bills? I can't remember another season that started with SO MANY road trips. 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Again I ask, who at the scheduling office hates the Bills? I can't remember another season that started with SO MANY road trips. 

 

 

[Chandler#81]

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

19 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Love the PB&J dance from Brown. Only thing better was Josh trying to do it.🤣🤣

[EmotionallyUnstable]

@PatsFanNH

 

When I eluded to the return of white and Elam, I meant strictly in regards to boundary corners. Taron Johnson will be in a majority of the snaps at nickel. In the past while playing man, they’ve used Milano, Edmunds, even big nickel Siran Neal, to cover tight ends. 
 

So how do they cover everyone? It depends on how formation. personnel and down and distance. Either way, it’s likely to be a combination of the above mentioned players, in addition to Poyer/Hamlin from the safety position