Week 11: Browns at Bills

[Logic]

Dominate the Browns, show out on Thanksgiving against the Lions (aka the semi-annual Josh Allen Turkey Day Invitational), roll into the TNF Pats game 8-3 and taking better care of the football, and all will be right with the world.

 

[Big C]

So did a bunch of our guys get food poisoning or what? Lots of illness designations on there.

[WotAGuy]

14 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

This, 100%.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you.  I don't possess the football IQ that many of you on here are blessed with, so please take my comments with a grain of salt, and know this is simply my humble opinion.  I feel like Frazier's biggest problem is his lack of adjustments, and what seems like his downright refusal to abandon the nickel D, even when teams are running the ball straight down our throat.  I believe you even mentioned at one point the Jets ran the ball eight straight times!  Now I get the Packers game, because even with us up by double digits in the 4th quarter the Packers continued to run the football, essentially giving us the game.  But other than that, I don't understand.  And this is not an issue that started this season. This issue has reared it's ugly head in previous seasons.    

 

 

I would guess the counterpoint to your argument would be the D only gave up 3 on that drive. The offense had time to get the FG after that. The way Garrett Wilson was burning them, Frazier probably felt his best defense was to limit the big play potential. 
 

I’m not in agreement with the above, but just throwing some possible rationale out there. 

[Big Turk]

15 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Assuming they clean up with the turnovers. Would have won last week if they didn't turn the ball over.

 

Yeah..I mean if you turn the ball over 4 times, it's hard to win any game even tho the Bills require miracles from teams to beat them even with that.

[smuvtalker]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

JFC now illness is causing multiple guys to be out...could this season devolve into more of a disaster with team health?

I know illness is different, but for the life of me I cannot recall a season, ever, with so many injuries.  It's ironic that at the beginning of the season, we(and pretty much the majority of the national media as well) boasted having one of the, if not THE deepest rosters in the league.  Our depth was outstanding. 

 

It has truly, truly been put to the test.  I'm really at a loss for words regarding all of the injuries we've had to endure this season.  I kept telling myself, "boy, once we get back to full strength, watch out".  At this point I've just kinda become numb. I know that every other team is dealing with injuries of their own, and noone is going to award us any pity points, but Jesus H. Christ, something's gotta give here....

 

[Negan]

21 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yeah..I mean if you turn the ball over 4 times, it's hard to win any game even tho the Bills require miracles from teams to beat them even with that.

The amount of checkmark in a row miracle plays the other team needs to beat the bills seems like we're living in the matrix.

[Nineforty]

 

J. T. O'Sullivan breaks down latest game (28 mins)

 

-Damnnnnn..  That camera angle around the 10 minute mark from behind Josh when he throws to Diggs and Diggs makes the great one handed catch, damnnnn. Poetry! and you can see how close it could have been to disastrous, as some other throws were).

 

-For the lil Dirty haters, go to ~16 min mark. This may be the most I've seen JTO criticize a player of the Bills on any given play in the couple of videos he has done. 

Edited November 16, 2022 by Nineforty
Adding "pieces of flair"

[newcam2012]

58 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

We don't need to "stop it".  Cleveland will not win this game by simply running the ball. Bills simply have to contain it well enough. Anything under 150 yards and the Bills win by multiple scores.

Just watch the Jets game or the second half of the Packer game. That's what Cleveland is most likely going to do. Cleveland would love nothing more than to have long sustained drives running the ball and making a few timely passes. Don't discount Chubb breaking off long long runs that might result in a TD. Chubb is the best in the league in doing that. Cleveland best defense may very well be their running game. Thus, keeping the Bills offense on the sidelines. Brisett is capable of using his legs and making a few crucial passes to Cooper and Peoples. At this point, I'm not sure how any Bills fans can be confident goung into this game. The Bills have shown us their weakness vs the run. The defensive injuries have hurt the Bills in every facet of a defense. They were healthy vs the Rams and Tenn.  The Bills aren't that team! They are a less talented team now then when the season started. Players and coaches have under preformed and made many mistakes. It's too early to tell but it sure is feeling like the season is or could be slipping away. The big bad Bills are no longer that. This is a get right game for the Bills. Then again didn't we say that for the last two weeks? 

[Success]

So many rumblings among opposing fans - the Bills are "overrated," "soft," "pretenders."

 

We have them just where we want them. Time for a classic post-Hail Murray run, all the way to the show this time (and including that game, as well - in case there was any ambiguity).

 

[What a Tuel]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

So many rumblings among opposing fans - the Bills are "overrated," "soft," "pretenders."

 

We have them just where we want them. Time for a classic post-Hail Murray run, all the way to the show this time (and including that game, as well - in case there was any ambiguity).

 

 

That just means they havent watched the games. Yeah we made some mistakes, but some very correctable mistakes. Better now than in the post season.

 

Both Jets and Vikings games were heading into blowout territory if we didnt make a few boneheaded moves.

Edited November 16, 2022 by What a Tuel

[TheCockSportif]

16 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

That just means they havent watched the games. Yeah we made some mistakes, but some very correctable mistakes. Better now than in the post season.

 

Both Jets and Vikings games were heading into blowout territory if we didnt make a few boneheaded moves.

Well, yeah.  But they didn't win those games.  Do I think that they can correct this midseason slump?  Eternal question.

 

JA17 makes anything possible, but then he kind of makes things bad at times as well.  This is a show me year, and I suppose that this is a well-earned designation after the drought and of growing this program.

[Nextmanup]

Tre White still not practicing, though listed as "full participant."

 

Sal thinks even McDermott is hinting at the idea that it's all Tre keeping himself back, not the team or medical staff.

 

Sal suggested even McDermott may be a bit frustrated and that the whole process is getting kind of strange.

It's like when is this guy going to play?

 

 

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

Tre White still not practicing, though listed as "full participant."

 

Sal thinks even McDermott is hinting at the idea that it's all Tre keeping himself back, not the team or medical staff.

 

Sal suggested even McDermott may be a bit frustrated and that the whole process is getting kind of strange.

It's like when is this guy going to play?

 

 

I have no idea, dude.  And, really... if this staff doesn't produce this year, like AFC-CG or bust, then I would expect changes.  I'm not gonna harsh on White, because nobody here knows what his recovery from the injury looks like.  I hope at that he plays, but then again, who knows?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

I have no idea, dude.  And, really... if this staff doesn't produce this year, like AFC-CG or bust, then I would expect changes.  I'm not gonna harsh on White, because nobody here knows what his recovery from the injury looks like.  I hope at that he plays, but then again, who knows?

If he's refusing to play, trade him for picks or someone who will. 

 

I like Tre but this is ridiculous 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Also an interesting coincidence is that Jacoby Brissett was also the Colts starting QB in that game and will be doing the same for the Browns this week.

 

Nathan Peterman was our QB that game. Maybe we can bring him back for the Fung Shui.

[dpberr]

30 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Tre White still not practicing, though listed as "full participant."

 

Sal thinks even McDermott is hinting at the idea that it's all Tre keeping himself back, not the team or medical staff.

 

Sal suggested even McDermott may be a bit frustrated and that the whole process is getting kind of strange.

It's like when is this guy going to play?

 

 

IMO, it has similar parallels of the Kawhi Leonard/Spurs disagreement. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, dpberr said:

IMO, it has similar parallels of the Kawhi Leonard/Spurs disagreement. 

If THAT is the case then he really has to go 

[YoloinOhio]

34 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Tre White still not practicing, though listed as "full participant."

 

Sal thinks even McDermott is hinting at the idea that it's all Tre keeping himself back, not the team or medical staff.

 

Sal suggested even McDermott may be a bit frustrated and that the whole process is getting kind of strange.

It's like when is this guy going to play?

 

 

He’s practicing. Not listed as FP. Not listed at all on the injury report. Wdym

[Process]

37 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Tre White still not practicing, though listed as "full participant."

 

Sal thinks even McDermott is hinting at the idea that it's all Tre keeping himself back, not the team or medical staff.

 

Sal suggested even McDermott may be a bit frustrated and that the whole process is getting kind of strange.

It's like when is this guy going to play?

 

 

He's been practicing for weeks

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

 

That just means they havent watched the games. Yeah we made some mistakes, but some very correctable mistakes. Better now than in the post season.

 

Both Jets and Vikings games were heading into blowout territory if we didnt make a few boneheaded moves.

 

Yup.  Just correct the turnovers and also get off the field on 3rd and longs.  I dont understand this defense sometimes... they do so well and then completely break down and give up things like 3rd and 18.  Maybe its just me being pissed about it and not realizing how often it happens to other teams but that seems to happen to us way too often.

[Pete]

40 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If he's refusing to play, trade him for picks or someone who will. 

 

I like Tre but this is ridiculous 

Dude have you ever rehabbed from a major knee injury?  It doesn't seem like you have any idea of what it is like to recover.

Tre not only has to recover, but he has to strengthen it to a world class athlete.  The last thing Tre needs is to be rushed back before he is up to game speed.

Healthy players get a training camp and preseason to get up to speed. Tre will play when he can.  It's a long season grasshopper.  Ill take a healthy Tre in Dec and Jan, as opposed to rushing Tre back against the Browns

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 minutes ago, Pete said:

Dude have you ever rehabbed from a major knee injury?  It doesn't seem like you have any idea of what it is like to recover.

Tre not only has to recover, but he has to strengthen it to a world class athlete.  The last thing Tre needs is to be rushed back before he is up to game speed.

Healthy players get a training camp and preseason to get up to speed. Tre will play when he can.  It's a long season grasshopper.  Ill take a healthy Tre in Dec and Jan, as opposed to rushing Tre back against the Browns

If the team says he's ok and the doctors say he's ok, there's only one impediment to him playing.

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If the team says he's ok and the doctors say he's ok, there's only one impediment to him playing.

Jesus you are irritating

 

The team has not said that he’s cleared to play you know what says that that he actually plays

[Pete]

7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If the team says he's ok and the doctors say he's ok, there's only one impediment to him playing.

Tre knows Tre's knee better than anyone else.  Tre will play when hes ready

 

I had knee injury at work years ago.  Some hack doctor said my knee was fine, Id be back at work in a couple weeks.  I got second opinion-I had a grade 3 MCL tear.  If I listened to that first doctor I would of returned to work with a ***** up knee.  Instead I knew that no matter what the Dr told me, my knee was ***** up.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Jesus you are irritating

 

The team has not said that he’s cleared to play you know what says that that he actually plays

Poor John.

 

Try prunes.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Poor John.

 

Try prunes.

Trey has earned his wings if he’s not ready he’s not ready deal with it

[KHAN]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Poor John.

 

Try prunes.

No. He's right. You are an irritant.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

23 minutes ago, KHAN said:

No. He's right. You are an irritant.

 

 

xoxoxo

[zow2]

Watching this MAC game in the snow tonight (ESPNU) reminds me that Josh Allen could probably run for 200 yards if there is frozen stuff on the field Sunday.  With the footing, no one can stop these QB runs. or probably Nick Chubb for that matter.

[Joe Ferguson]

If Josh would only throw the ball to other bills players that would great.

[ShakAttack]

6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

If Josh would only throw the ball to other bills players that would great.

he does. 
 

it just has to be the first half or outside of the red zone is all. 
 

i say he kicks hero ball up a notch and starts throwing for the end zone outside of the opponent’s 20 every time.

 

there might actually be something to this. Think about it. We do WAY better on 3rd and 15+ than 3rd and 2 or less.  Allen needs SPACE 

[What a Tuel]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yup.  Just correct the turnovers and also get off the field on 3rd and longs.  I dont understand this defense sometimes... they do so well and then completely break down and give up things like 3rd and 18.  Maybe its just me being pissed about it and not realizing how often it happens to other teams but that seems to happen to us way too often.

 

The Cook TD run was just inexcusable after allowing what? 17 yards rushing up til then? It is certainly baffling. Reminiscent of the titans and the Henry run. Changed the whole game.

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The Cook TD run was just inexcusable after allowing what? 17 yards rushing up til then? It is certainly baffling. Reminiscent of the titans and the Henry run. Changed the whole game.

Caused by 2 backups who unfortunately had to play. Bedford missed the tackle or it would have been a 6 yard gain then Lewis took a terrible angle turning a 20 yard gain into 82.

 

not his fault, he’s a PS CB but Lewis killed us

[WyoAZBillfan]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The Cook TD run was just inexcusable after allowing what? 17 yards rushing up til then? It is certainly baffling. Reminiscent of the titans and the Henry run. Changed the whole game.

Pretty sure that is right after Tremaine left the game, as Turbo said.. backups in the game whiffing tackles. 

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said:

If Josh would only throw the ball to other bills players that would great.

People don’t know how good they have it. Josh will be fine. It’s almost like they’ve forgot all the Qbs from Kelly to josh. The narrative comes across as a spoiled brat temper tantrum 

[dpberr]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If THAT is the case then he really has to go 

The early parallels I see between what I understand of this situation and what transpired in San Antonio is that the player is radio silent. The head coach is giving increasingly awkward explanations. The team activates him. Player still doesn't play.

 

There's no player/Coach presser. Weeks go by and the situation remains static and the disconnect between player and team becomes increasingly evident. 

 

I hope this all doesn't come to pass and he's out there for the Lions game and everything is a ok. 

 

[Richard Noggin]

7 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Caused by 2 backups who unfortunately had to play. Bedford missed the tackle or it would have been a 6 yard gain then Lewis took a terrible angle turning a 20 yard gain into 82.

 

not his fault, he’s a PS CB but Lewis killed us

Doesn't bring me joy to completely agree here on both points. First, Bedford had some good, competitive snaps, and a couple impactfully bad snaps. Second, Lewis had some good snaps in the first half, and some impactfully bad snaps in the 2nd half (before Lewis, it was Johnson). Third, and not mentioned, is Edmunds's injury in the 2nd half; in the 1st he was playing his best half this season, to my eye, before re-aggravating the groin. 

 

The loss of both Hyde AND Poyer has proven to be too much to overcome when combined with theinjuries to the #1 CB and one of the starting LBs and one starting DL. That equation has proven fatal (alongside other complications). 

[Richard Noggin]

5 hours ago, Nineforty said:

 

J. T. O'Sullivan breaks down latest game (28 mins)

 

-Damnnnnn..  That camera angle around the 10 minute mark from behind Josh when he throws to Diggs and Diggs makes the great one handed catch, damnnnn. Poetry! and you can see how close it could have been to disastrous, as some other throws were).

 

-For the lil Dirty haters, go to ~16 min mark. This may be the most I've seen JTO criticize a player of the Bills on any given play in the couple of videos he has done. 

 

@6:45 the "hinge" pass to Diggs (during the 2-minute drill at the end of the 1st half) was unreal in person; my perspective from the SW quadrant of the stadium allowed me to really track Diggs's route, so the INSANE TRUST/ANTICIPATION of the throw was W-I-L-D in real time.

 

I was watching Diggs run vertically up the near sideline towards us then slam on the brakes, breakdown, and begin to turn...and BAM! he got hit with the pass. I had decided to watch him work on that drive, and the trust Allen displayed by throwing the pass BEFORE/AS Diggs broke on the route was startling. It arrived like ordinance. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Tre White still not practicing, though listed as "full participant."

 

Sal thinks even McDermott is hinting at the idea that it's all Tre keeping himself back, not the team or medical staff.

 

Sal suggested even McDermott may be a bit frustrated and that the whole process is getting kind of strange.

It's like when is this guy going to play?

 

 

Where does say he’s not practicing? I’ve seen clips of him in coverage during practice.

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, Nineforty said:

 

J. T. O'Sullivan breaks down latest game (28 mins)

 

-Damnnnnn..  That camera angle around the 10 minute mark from behind Josh when he throws to Diggs and Diggs makes the great one handed catch, damnnnn. Poetry! and you can see how close it could have been to disastrous, as some other throws were).

 

-For the lil Dirty haters, go to ~16 min mark. This may be the most I've seen JTO criticize a player of the Bills on any given play in the couple of videos he has done. 

 

Thank you for posting this. This cements the fact that saying Allen was the primary reason for this loss is a laughable take. He and Diggs are the only reason we did anything on offense. No schemed easy throws, no screens, poor pass protection, predictable route combinations. It's amazing watching this video how many times there is no one open at the same time pressure gets into the pocket and Allen still somehow turns it into a big play. Over and over again JTO says "where do you want him to throw the ball?" and there's just nothing there. Like he says Allen is carrying the offense up and down the field all game long. It sucks that his worst throw was his last one. That doesn't erase everything he did before that.

 

Honestly my biggest fear is that Allen will internalize that last interception too much and stop playing his style of game. They have to let Josh be Josh, just dial it back in the red zone a bit. And please please please get a run game going. The Vikings on every snap are dropping everyone deep into passing lanes because they know we won't punish them for it. It's been four years of this crap. They have to fix it.