Yes I know injuries on Defense... But they've been bad the last two weeks....

[Billsfan1972]

At least 6 quarters.  Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines.

 

Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless).  Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters.

 

No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP.

[Rc2catch]

They don’t seem to be playing with the same fire and aggression they started the year with imo. The D line that is. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

I think you comments re Pittsburgh  & Picket are going way overboard.  Yes we played the bend dont break football at the end. The game was never in doubt.  

[LeGOATski]

They've given up 30 points total in those 6 quarters. That's more than enough to allow the offense to win. That's while playing with a bunch of back-ups.

 

The defense is not the issue.

 

The offense has failed and they're not playing complimentary football. When they're not playing complimentary football, it makes the game plan seem off.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Fans need to look around the league. That is not bad defense.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

They've given up 30 points total in those 6 quarters. That's more than enough to allow the offense to win. That's while playing with a bunch of back-ups.

 

The defense is not the issue.

 

The offense has failed and they're not playing complimentary football. When they're not playing complimentary football, it makes the game plan seem off.

Agreed.

 

This isnt on the defense.  The Jets game was primarily a bad O Line and bad QB play. 

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think you comments re Pittsburgh  & Picket are going way overboard.  Yes we played the bend dont break football at the end. The game was never in doubt.  

 

Nor was the Green Bay game.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

They've given up 30 points total in those 6 quarters. That's more than enough to allow the offense to win. That's while playing with a bunch of back-ups.

 

The defense is not the issue.

 

The offense has failed and they're not playing complimentary football. When they're not playing complimentary football, it makes the game plan seem off.

 

The offense would have plenty of points if Allen stopped turning it over at a near NFL leading pace.

 

Bills play as if turnovers are no big deal and don't really care about them on offense, but the team with the best turnover differential in the NFL is the only one still with 0 losses. There is a lesson to be learned in there for them.

[nosejob]

This defensive staff has to have the ability to adapt against opponents on a weekly basis. Getting home with four is great, but it ain't doable every week against every team. It feels like we are stuck in the 90's on D with an old guy that thinks we can do what the 85 bears did.

 

I'd take Schwartz or Pettine any day.

Edited November 8, 2022 by nosejob

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The offense would have plenty of points if Allen stopped turning it over at a near NFL leading pace.

 

Bills play as if turnovers are no big deal and don't really care about them on offense, but the team with the best turnover differential in the NFL is the only one still with 0 losses. There is a lesson to be learned in there for them.

Lesson to be learned huh.

 

I think anyone with above a room temperature IQ knows the critical importance of turnovers.

[The Jokeman]

12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

They've given up 30 points total in those 6 quarters. That's more than enough to allow the offense to win. That's while playing with a bunch of back-ups.

 

The defense is not the issue.

 

The offense has failed and they're not playing complimentary football. When they're not playing complimentary football, it makes the game plan seem off.

I agree, we've given up 37 points the last two games, hardly horrible defense. Especially some of those points due to offensive turnovers giving the D a short field. Missed FGs, missed chances on offense and missed tackles on D have lead to the bad performance the last two games. 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Lesson to be learned huh.

 

I think anyone with above a room temperature IQ knows the critical importance of turnovers.

 

Doesn't seem to be getting through...they are far too careless with the ball.

[nedboy7]

Hard to be a top D with backups.  Not sure how you can overlook that and make any type of rational argument. 

Poyer and Hyde are not replaceable. 

White and Milano are not either. 

You really think with those 4 that game's outcome is not different? 

[Royale with Cheese]

I simply am astonished the Pittsburgh game is being mentioned as a defensive struggle.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think you comments re Pittsburgh  & Picket are going way overboard.  Yes we played the bend dont break football at the end. The game was never in doubt.  

As with Greenbay. That game was never in doubt either and idk why people keep bringing it up when the goal was to bleed the clock

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Doesn't seem to be getting through...they are far too careless with the ball.

In the last two games, it isn't "they" who have been far too careless, it is Allen who's been far too careless. Almost stunningly careless, I might add.

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Hard to be a top D with backups.  Not sure how you can overlook that and make any type of rational argument. 

Poyer and Hyde are not replaceable. 

White and Milano are not either. 

You really think with those 4 that game's outcome is not different? 

All true.

 

I think most realistic Bills fans knew we were spoiled  Hyde-Poyer dynamic and it was nearing the end.  Not sure if we have seen the last of the duo but at least we see what football can be without them.

 

Time to stop "resting" Tre, time to see what he has left or we could enter a dangerous mid season spiral., need all the held we can esp return of Milano.

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

In the last two games, it isn't "they" who have been far too careless, it is Allen who's been far too careless. Almost stunningly careless, I might add.

Sad but true and a lot of die hard Allen fans, which I am one, dont have the balls to call a spade a spade.

Edited November 8, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[DrDawkinstein]

19 minutes ago, nosejob said:

This defensive staff has to have the ability to adapt against opponents on a weekly basis. Getting home with four is great, but it ain't doable every week against every team. It feels like we are stuck in the 90's on D with an old guy that thinks we can do what the 85 bears did.

 

I'd take Schwartz or Pettine any day.

 

You mean like how they adapted into a Defense that rushed less than 4 and baited the other #1B QB in the NFL into throwing a game-sealing INT to our Defense?

Getting home with only rushing 4 is the biggest key to winning for any defense. Blitzing only opens you up to the hot routes and big plays. The few times we have blitzed, we were taken advantage of in that exact way.

 

Defense isnt the problem.

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I simply am astonished the Pittsburgh game is being mentioned as a defensive struggle.

 

But they moved the ball from the 20 yard line to the other 20 yard line AT WILL. Cant win games letting teams score a whopping 3 points!

 

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[Jauronimo]

19 minutes ago, nosejob said:

This defensive staff has to have the ability to adapt against opponents on a weekly basis. Getting home with four is great, but it ain't doable every week against every team. It feels like we are stuck in the 90's on D with an old guy that thinks we can do what the 85 bears did.

 

I'd take Schwartz or Pettine any day.

Pettine's and Schwartz's defenses got run over by New England and the leagues best offenses every year they were here.

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, nosejob said:

This defensive staff has to have the ability to adapt against opponents on a weekly basis. Getting home with four is great, but it ain't doable every week against every team. It feels like we are stuck in the 90's on D with an old guy that thinks we can do what the 85 bears did.

 

I'd take Schwartz or Pettine any day.

 

And the Bills would have a worse defense.

[Billsfan1972]

Again no one wants to blame the Defense.  They have allowed offenses to gash them.  

 

Yes Allen has had a bad 6 quarters, but when the Defense allows Wilson (really Chad) to grind out 7-8 minute drives, that is not great.

 

This is the new blueprint vs. the Bills, keep the offense off the field and yes when they finally get on the field that get Antsy (Allen & Dorsey) and want points.

 

Surprise, always defending the Coaches. 

[BillsFanSD]

The Jets game sucked, but people are making too big a deal out of the second half against GB.  Nobody was expecting them to run the ball that much down three scores, and why stop your opponent when he's helping you close out the game?

[mjt328]

7 minutes ago, nosejob said:

This defensive staff has to have the ability to adapt against opponents on a weekly basis. Getting home with four is great, but it ain't doable every week against every team. It feels like we are stuck in the 90's on D with an old guy that thinks we can do what the 85 bears did.

 

I'd take Schwartz or Pettine any day.

 

This defensive staff has accomplished way more than either of those DCs ever did.

Just looking at points per game (the only stat that really matters), our defense is still #1 in the entire NFL.  They were also #1 overall last season.

 

I agree that our coaches seem stubborn, and unwilling to adjust.  But when you step back and look at the overall results, maybe it's our expectations that are out of whack.  The Bills defense hasn't allowed over 21 points yet in a single game.  Does it really matter if they allow some big runs, if they are holding the opponent out of the endzone?

 

Our offense is clearly a bigger issue.  Our MVP quarterback leads the NFL in turnovers, and scoring has been inconsistent since Week 2.  

When the offense is hitting on all cylinders, we can blow the opponent out of the stadium.  But I would give-up all those blowouts for an offense that could just consistently put up 25.  We have only done that in half of our games.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

But they moved the ball from the 20 yard line to the other 20 yard line AT WILL. Cant win games letting teams score a whopping 3 points!

 

He threw the ball 52 times and had a 5.6 yards per completion lol.  

[SoCal Deek]

Everyone knows what the Bills defense is. They're built to sit back and force you to make a mistake.  Plain and simple!  However....that defense was created first and foremost to stop Mahomes (and other top tier QBs) in the playoffs. With that said, I cannot understand why we're not blitzing more against younger, less capable QBs.  The roster should be capable of switching it up depending on who the opponent is. 

 

Looking ahead to Sunday, I'm curious what anyone thinks would be the best approach against a check-down artist like Kirk Cousins.

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again no one wants to blame the Defense.  They have allowed offenses to gash them.  

 

Yes Allen has had a bad 6 quarters, but when the Defense allows Wilson (really Chad) to grind out 7-8 minute drives, that is not great.

 

This is the new blueprint vs. the Bills, keep the offense off the field and yes when they finally get on the field that get Antsy (Allen & Dorsey) and want points.

 

Surprise, always defending the Coaches. 

 

That last Jets drive where they started at the 4 and moved into FG range was pathetic. I could see if it was the Chiefs, Bengals, Chargers but a Zach Wilson led offense was a joke.

[US Egg]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Bills play as if turnovers are no big deal and don't really care about them on offense, but the team with the best turnover differential in the NFL is the only one still with 0 losses. There is a lesson to be learned in there for them.

I do not think the Bills play as if turnovers are no big deal and do really care about them on offense.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

It's pretty easy to focus on Allen's ints and ignore that our defense was just as bad as the offense in the Jets game. 

 

The Jets had 3 different drives of 13+ plays. The DEF mitigated the damage in terms of points allowed, but our offense only had 9 possessions (2 of those starting with <2 minutes left in either half).

 

For comparison: the Chiefs DEF allowed 17 points, but the Chiefs offense had 12 possessions in regulation. 

 

 

[BananaB]

37 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

They've given up 30 points total in those 6 quarters. That's more than enough to allow the offense to win. That's while playing with a bunch of back-ups.

 

The defense is not the issue.

 

The offense has failed and they're not playing complimentary football. When they're not playing complimentary football, it makes the game plan seem off.

Your talking like the O has been on the field half the time during those quarters. Those long drives running the ball has our O sitting on the bench a lot. 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

I do not think the Bills play as if turnovers are no big deal and do really care about them on offense.

 

How can you say that after watching them the last 2 games?  Careless with the ball.

 

Actions >>> Words.  You can't throw 4 terrible INTs in 2 games and then say you are focused on preventing turnovers.

Edited November 8, 2022 by Big Turk

[BuffaloRebound]

24 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Hard to be a top D with backups.  Not sure how you can overlook that and make any type of rational argument. 

Poyer and Hyde are not replaceable. 

White and Milano are not either. 

You really think with those 4 that game's outcome is not different? 

Those 4 represent 40% of the salary cap on the defensive side of the ball and are all back 7 players.  And the Jets game-planned accordingly.  White could’ve really helped.  Our back 7 was Taron, Edmunds, Dane and a bunch of backups and rookies.  

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

How can you say that after watching them the last 2 games?  Careless with the ball.

 

Actions >>> Words.  You can't throw 4 terrible INTs in 2 games and then say you are focused on preventing turnovers.

The way you originally worded it was poor then. You made it sound like the team didn’t care if they turned the ball over which obviously isn’t the case 

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

At least 6 quarters.  Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines.

 

Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless).  Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters.

 

No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP.

So let me guess…we need to load up on more defense right?

[US Egg]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

How can you say that after watching them the last 2 games?  Careless with the ball.

 

Actions >>> Words.  You can't throw 4 terrible INTs in 2 games and then say you are focused on preventing turnovers.

Just saying it is not some coaching/QB intentional neglect strategy that caused the turnovers to occur.

Edited November 9, 2022 by I am the egg man

[hemma]

Injuries on the D make their job tougher, but I think the Offense owns the lion’s share of the team’s current problems.

 

Hines - please come to the rescue.  A big punt return, a dump off for 50.  Make a play.

[Big Turk]

Bad run fits and bad tackling for sure.

[Billsfan1972]

Allowing long, time consuming drives, whether points or not, put the offense in a hole.  Really Wilson & the Jets picked apart the Bills Defense.  

 

That's a bad look.

 

I posted this thread like yesterdays, because little has been made of the Defense being gashed the last 6 quarters.  

 

Can only imagine Belichek looking forward and Mac Jones doing the same.

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

At least 6 quarters.  Enough about points allowed, the opposition is moving the ball easily, which keeps the offense on the sidelines.

 

Pickett a rookie had over 300 yards passing (yes a blowout, but nonetheless).  Gashed by the run the last 6 quarters.

 

No way should they allow have allowed Zach Wilson 72% completion % and the Jets to control TOP.

see you can’t just dismiss points allowed with a hand wave like this and expect anyone to take you seriously. Points allowed matters (it matters the most, actually.)

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Allowing long, time consuming drives, whether points or not, put the offense in a hole.  Really Wilson & the Jets picked apart the Bills Defense.  

 

That's a bad look.

 

I posted this thread like yesterdays, because little has been made of the Defense being gashed the last 6 quarters.  

 

Can only imagine Belichek looking forward and Mac Jones doing the same.

throwing inexcusable picks and dropping passes also puts the offense in a hole. One of their own making.

[BillsShredder83]

It blows my mind how many posters I've NEVER seen suddenly are out and on every page of every thread reveling in some team struggles.

 

These mf's wouldn't be here if we won the SB, and im supposed to take them serious lol clowns 

 

Bills 18 - 2 FTH!!!!

[without a drought]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Nor was the Green Bay game.

I thought the Bills lost that game.

 

I got to stay away from here.