Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Huh. https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-season-s-top-10-slot-receivers-rams-cooper-kupp-bengals-tyler-boyd-lead 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I'm sure this will be well received... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Josh has a 126.8 passer rating when targeting Lil Dirty out of the slot. 2nd in the league with 3 TDs out of the slot so far this season. Yet some people want McKenzie benched and have given up on him 🤦🏾♂️ 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 "aced that test so far"....sounds like a stat-based examination on the player. A real-life examination would see key drops in big moments and looking somewhat lost on the field at times. Truth be told, he has had some big catches too, but after 3 years of Cole, we Bills fans expect much more. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Cupp being listed as a slot is just cheating and skews the whole list. I get that he lines up there a lot, but he's not a slot receiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 McKenzie was responsible for missing two tds against the Chiefs you can’t have that in the second half down the stretch. If you can find an upgrade you do it. And I’m looking at you KJ Hamler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I take McKenzie’s top 10 placement as more a reflection of Josh’s abilities and system, than anything. Josh and the system can make a lot of slot guys look good. 1 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 He's had good moments and awful moments. Brutal errors at LA and at KC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: McKenzie was responsible for missing two tds against the Chiefs you can’t have that in the second half down the stretch. If you can find an upgrade you do it. And I’m looking at you KJ Hamler. I think he had his "bell rung" early in the KC game, which affected his play the rest of the game. His head hit the field fairly hard on the play where he went after a high pass and was drilled backward onto the turf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, StHustle said: Josh has a 126.8 passer rating when targeting Lil Dirty out of the slot. 2nd in the league with 3 TDs out of the slot so far this season. Yet some people want McKenzie benched and have given up on him 🤦🏾♂️ Lmao unfortunately the game isn’t based on who has the highest passer rating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I am/was a big McKenzie fan coming into this season but he really frustrated me in the last outing. He has been moderately productive for us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Day drinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Cupp being listed as a slot is just cheating and skews the whole list. I get that he lines up there a lot, but he's not a slot receiver So you're saying if you take Kupp out, McKenzie would be #6 instead of #7 on the "Top Slots" list? 😈 I think a guy who lines up in the slot >50% of the time can probably be called a slot receiver? what else would you call him or how would you define "slot receiver"? I have to admit, I don't think of Christian Kirk, Jerry Jeudy, and Amon-Ra St Brown as slot receivers but.... 34 minutes ago, hemma said: Day drinking. The whole NexGen Stats team? Edited October 28, 2022 by Beck Water 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 51 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: I think he had his "bell rung" early in the KC game, which affected his play the rest of the game. His head hit the field fairly hard on the play where he went after a high pass and was drilled backward onto the turf. No question there was concern, Chad Hall and a trainer met him coming off the field. I thought that should have been called as a "defenseless receiver" hit as the defender's helmet went right through the ball into McKenzie's facemask while he was landing. I guess if you target the ball, you can get away with hitting the head (or the nuts, or anyplace else) I don't think that would explain the busted jet sweep to R/screen pass to L/"option reverse pitch" to McKenzie though, didn't that take place beforehand? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Guess anyone can be a top 10 slot WR these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Beck Water said: So you're saying if you take Kupp out, McKenzie would be #6 instead of #7 on the "Top Slots" list? 😈 I think a guy who lines up in the slot >50% of the time can probably be called a slot receiver? what else would you call him or how would you define "slot receiver"? I have to admit, I don't think of Christian Kirk, Jerry Jeudy, and Amon-Ra St Brown as slot receivers but.... A slot receiver should almost primarily by the #3 receiver on a team. If only Davis and Diggs are stacked up top, I'm not going to say one of them is a slot receiver going forward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 If the list wasn't controversial, the people composing it wouldn't be doing their jobs. Don't take this crap too seriously. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 How many snaps has Diggs gotten at slot? Seemed like quite a few last game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said: "aced that test so far"....sounds like a stat-based examination on the player. A real-life examination would see key drops in big moments and looking somewhat lost on the field at times. Truth be told, he has had some big catches too, but after 3 years of Cole, we Bills fans expect much more. 50 minutes ago, Mango said: I am/was a big McKenzie fan coming into this season but he really frustrated me in the last outing. He has been moderately productive for us. LOL I'm just bustin' chops posting this. Objectively, an examination of production (ie stats) has it's place. It's a valid point to consider that a player can't generate good stats without good play..... I think part of how we view McKenzie is colored by what Beasley was to Josh in 2019 and 2020, and to a lesser extent in 2021. There's no question that Beasley was one of the best slot receivers in football those seasons, and McKenzie is a significant drop-off. But part of it is narrative, just as there was a narrative of "Josh Allen inaccurate" that is incompletely shaken even now (where an obviously tipped pass has announcers opining about how "Josh missed on that throw" or a pass that hits the defender's legs has one of the film breakdown gurus nit-picking Josh's mechanics and I'm like "c'mon Man that was a laser, the defender was probably in the training room for a bruise all week". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Virgil said: A slot receiver should almost primarily by the #3 receiver on a team. If only Davis and Diggs are stacked up top, I'm not going to say one of them is a slot receiver going forward Was Edelman a slot? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: Was Edelman a slot? Apparently not 🤷♂️ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: How many snaps has Diggs gotten at slot? Seemed like quite a few last game. I think Cover1 did a piece on this, that it's been 37%, but that Dorsey bumped it up to 46% vs KC. Edit: here it is, try about 2:50 in It'll be interesting to see whether or not this continues; the Bills were platooning Crowder and McKenzie in the slot to play to the strengths of each guy, and hyperbole aside it's not clear that Shakir is "up to" the whole find the gaps in zone/option route/give Josh clear body language gig yet (that's not a knock on Shakir, but the Bills may continue to put Diggs in that role and have Shakir on the outside when it's zone and his ability to release is not a big issue). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 He's made some good plays; he's made some bad plays... I'm this offense, we shouldn't be surprised to have top 10 production from all three receivers. McKenzie with slot receptions and TDs. Diggs in yards, targets and TDs Davis in yards/reception and TDs (dude is #1 deep ball WR) TDs, TDs, TDs!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 McKenzie ranked above Amon-Ra St. Brown is really something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Virgil said: A slot receiver should almost primarily by the #3 receiver on a team. If only Davis and Diggs are stacked up top, I'm not going to say one of them is a slot receiver going forward Er...#3 by what criteria? So in 2020, when Beasley was the #2 WR on the Bills in yards, in targets, and in receptions - you woulda said he's not the "slot"? I thought slot had to do with where a guy lined up on the field, and what routes he ran 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, DJB said: Guess anyone can be a top 10 slot WR these days Even me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: Was Edelman a slot? Hmmm, my brain was failing me. I would say he was primarily a slot, but due to lack of depth or whatever reasons, he was the primary a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Personally wonder if Dorsey could use Shakir vz Zone and Lil Dirty vs man looks without our personnel/formation being a tell. Lil Dirty on crossers vs man loooks is a killer - just ask the Patriots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Josh has a 126.8 passer rating when targeting Lil Dirty out of the slot. 2nd in the league with 3 TDs out of the slot so far this season. Yet some people want McKenzie benched and have given up on him 🤦🏾♂️ Well to be fair he dropped a TD pass and had an INT bounce off his hands. So he has had some issues this year. I am not sure people wanted him benched so much as they wanted to see what Crowder and Shakir can do as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Personally wonder if Dorsey could use Shakir vz Zone and Lil Dirty vs man looks without our personnel/formation being a tell. Lil Dirty on crossers vs man loooks is a killer - just ask the Patriots. I intend no disrespect to Shakir, who has played well when called upon. But I really haven't seen him dissecting the zone yet. Despite what some here imply, most of our "eyeball perceptions" are faillable until/unless we sit down to methodically chew through the all-22, so I may have missed some good stuff. I don't watch as much all-22 since NFL broke the interface; if anyone knows how I can get my eyes on all-22 where I can bring up individual plays and slo-mo LMK. Diggs has been killing opponents from the slot with option routes because no matter how the opponent defends him, he makes them wrong, and Josh and he are able to be on the same page from his body language. Crowder and Josh were maybe 80% on the same page? Crowder doesn't have an INT scored to him this season, but I'm pretty sure I saw one pick where Josh expected Crowder to run one option and Crowder ran the other. My guess would be we'll see Diggs running a few more slot routes and Shakir running more routes outside against zone, but I dunno. Dorsey has been doing this thing on occasion - I saw it with McKenzie but maybe more - where McKenzie lines up outside, Diggs lines up in the slot, then McKenzie runs a short slot-type route while Diggs gets a free release. I guess it's dangerous because the guy guarding Diggs would have a free shot at the backfield if McKenzie isn't fast enough? There has to be a reason we don't see it more. Edited October 28, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, Virgil said: Hmmm, my brain was failing me. I would say he was primarily a slot, but due to lack of depth or whatever reasons, he was the primary a lot. Maybe this should be asked: Exactly how do you define "slot receiver"? What makes a receiver "a slot"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Virgil said: Cupp being listed as a slot is just cheating and skews the whole list. I get that he lines up there a lot, but he's not a slot receiver This doesn't make sense to me. The slot is a physical place not a concept. That's like saying a big power hitter in baseball isn't really a 1-hole hitter if that's where he hits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: No question there was concern, Chad Hall and a trainer met him coming off the field. I thought that should have been called as a "defenseless receiver" hit as the defender's helmet went right through the ball into McKenzie's facemask while he was landing. I guess if you target the ball, you can get away with hitting the head (or the nuts, or anyplace else) I don't think that would explain the busted jet sweep to R/screen pass to L/"option reverse pitch" to McKenzie though, didn't that take place beforehand? You're correct, no excuse for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Maybe this should be asked: Exactly how do you define "slot receiver"? What makes a receiver "a slot"? Does he catch passes from just one QB or does he go around town catching them from whomever is throwing them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: "aced that test so far"....sounds like a stat-based examination on the player. A real-life examination would see key drops in big moments and looking somewhat lost on the field at times. Truth be told, he has had some big catches too, but after 3 years of Cole, we Bills fans expect much more. i think the majority of your post can be attributed to one game - the first one back after a concussion too. im super excited for Shakir but im not willing to throw away McKenzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I'm willing to give McKenzie a bit of a pass last game since he was just coming off a concussion, but I really don't see him as being anywhere near a top-10 slot receiver in today's NFL. It's a position that I think can be upgraded, and I think it will, once Shakir is ready to take on more responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Haslett_Stomp said: I think he had his "bell rung" early in the KC game, which affected his play the rest of the game. His head hit the field fairly hard on the play where he went after a high pass and was drilled backward onto the turf. How can you tell from any other day?😳 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: A slot receiver should almost primarily by the #3 receiver on a team. If only Davis and Diggs are stacked up top, I'm not going to say one of them is a slot receiver going forward Not always Wes welker was the #1 or 2 from the slot … Julian Edelman was #1 or 2 from the slot Larry Fitzgerald became the #1 from the slot Andre reed helped create the modern slot position and he was a #1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Haters gonna hate...😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NORWOODS FOOT Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) God bless the Little Dirty One 😄 but I'd trade him for anyone listed above him in a heartbeat Edited October 28, 2022 by NORWOODS FOOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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