Bills release new stadium renderings

[Gugny]

20 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This is true, but stadiums are people magnets and even though they’re limited use, they still draw people to a certain geographic area where they tend to spend money. I know all those bar and restaurant owners are glad as hell to have Sabres fans coming back downtown since the pandemic. At the very least, it would only add to the downtown economy, however small that level of addition might be. I’m a big believer in dollar velocity.

 

I have high dollar velocity.  Money flies out of my wallet like a bat out of hell.

 

[unbillievable]

THis guy likes the Bills' design more than the Titans'.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

46 minutes ago, boyst said:

if they need to do anything they need to a get a light rail system or preferably a monorail.

 

this can shuttle from downtown points and points outside of the area to the game.

 

CLT has done good with this and the Panthers

Have you NOT remembered the last light rail fiasco in BFLo?

That's one long haul on a monorail to Downtown BFLo. 😆 

[unbillievable]

6 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

So, what I wrote "infuriated" you?

Good grief, mate.

 

Are you suggesting that Buffalo should have a flash stadium like some of the others in the NFL?  (Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Dallas...)

If so, you are either totally delusion, or haven't traveled much.

In my post, I wrote, "It suits our team and the area.  It's nothing 'over-the-top', but is very practical, with a modern, clean feel to it."  

That really infuriated you?

 

There's already an uproar with how much of this will be publicly funded.  How do you think the situation would be for an even more expensive stadium at taxpayers expense?

 

Let me ask you... what were you expecting from the new stadium?

 

I wish there was a Billionaire Bills fan that builds the team a $10B stadium as part of his hobby. Luxury seats for everyone!

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

A downtown stadium, as I understand it, very likely would have required significant use of eminent domain.  

Personally, I do not support that sort of draconian government action for a sports stadium. 

 

Also, the incremental $600M cannot be hand-waved off as 'worth it'. Where was that money going to come from? 

[LeGOATski]

37 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This is true, but stadiums are people magnets and even though they’re limited use, they still draw people to a certain geographic area where they tend to spend money. I know all those bar and restaurant owners are glad as hell to have Sabres fans coming back downtown since the pandemic. At the very least, it would only add to the downtown economy, however small that level of addition might be. I’m a big believer in dollar velocity.

Football is 8 or 9 games out of the year. Not like baseball, basketball, hockey... And we're talking about a huge capacity/cost football facility compared to a relatively small capacity/cost hockey facility. The cost/benefit is not comparable. It's apples and oranges.

 

I'm sure the Bills would love to build a wonderful 20k seat, $250 mil multi-use facility in downtown Buffalo...you know...if that was the reality of the NFL. But it's not. That's hockey. Two different worlds.

[Chandler#81]

I shared a portion of this discussion (Packers @ Bills) earlier. Here’s the full round table discussion on the game from GMF

 

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by Chandler#81

[without a drought]

At least the snow shovelers will still have a job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by without a drought

[K-9]

24 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Football is 8 or 9 games out of the year. Not like baseball, basketball, hockey... And we're talking about a huge capacity/cost football facility compared to a relatively small capacity/cost hockey facility. The cost/benefit is not comparable. It's apples and oranges.

 

I'm sure the Bills would love to build a wonderful 20k seat, $250 mil multi-use facility in downtown Buffalo...you know...if that was the reality of the NFL. But it's not. That's hockey. Two different worlds.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. 

 

Whatever cost benefit, no matter how little, would be better realized in a populated downtown urban environment than it is out in the sticks. Speaking of two different worlds, that’s what we have with Orchard Park and Buffalo. 
 

I have no desire to hash and rehash yet again the pros and cons of stadium location. It should have been downtown 50 years ago and it should be downtown today, economic impact notwithstanding. That is an immovable position for me.
 

Yours and others’ mileage may vary.

[cba fan]

On 10/27/2022 at 7:49 AM, loyal2dagame said:

It appears the field is still below ground level. 

rep on show said field will be only 12 to 15 feet below grade, vs over 50 feet below grade in Highmark.

Edited October 28, 2022 by cba fan

[cba fan]

On 10/27/2022 at 7:17 AM, saundena said:

No red endzones, fail!

In all seriousness, I like it.  I wish the capacity was a bit larger (more screaming fans = louder game day experience).  The bills usually sell out so the decision to reduce capacity is a bit curious.

I wonder if the architects and engineers will build in some sort of "advantage" to maximize crowd noise like in Seattle, or orient the stadium relative to the lake to maximize wind swirl, etc.

 

Finally, I hope they figure out a way to honor Ralph in some way.

 

omg lol...you are joking i hope. All the talk and design ideas were heavily slanted to design out the wind issues that ruin games. 🤷‍♂️

Edited October 28, 2022 by cba fan

[LeGOATski]

23 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. 

 

Whatever cost benefit, no matter how little, would be better realized in a populated downtown urban environment than it is out in the sticks. Speaking of two different worlds, that’s what we have with Orchard Park and Buffalo. 
 

I have no desire to hash and rehash yet again the pros and cons of stadium location. It should have been downtown 50 years ago and it should be downtown today, economic impact notwithstanding. That is an immovable position for me.
 

Yours and others’ mileage may vary.

Complaining about the location of the stadium invites having the obvious pointed out. Complaining about no dome or only 65% coverage would be more worthwhile...

[SWATeam]

Anyone know if this will be grass?

[Big Turk]

On 10/27/2022 at 8:17 AM, saundena said:

No red endzones, fail!

 

In all seriousness, I like it.  I wish the capacity was a bit larger (more screaming fans = louder game day experience).  The bills usually sell out so the decision to reduce capacity is a bit curious.

 

I wonder if the architects and engineers will build in some sort of "advantage" to maximize crowd noise like in Seattle, or orient the stadium relative to the lake to maximize wind swirl, etc.

 

Finally, I hope they figure out a way to honor Ralph in some way.

 

 

Well apparently the seats are designed in a way that will cascade sound down onto the field so there will be some sound enhancement there...

 

And honestly those 6700 people in the Indy and Baltimore playoff games in the COVID year showed you don't need a huge crowd for our stadium to be rocking and loud.

Edited October 28, 2022 by Big Turk

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Anyone know if this will be grass?

They've stated it will be grass

[unbillievable]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

They've stated it will be grass

Alaskan arctic grass?

Is it possible to have heated seats?

[Scott7975]

I was one of the fans that wanted a dome but knew it was going to be open and accept it.  I like the looks of it.  It looks very modern and its eye appealing.  It also looks as if fans will still have the awesome site lines that we have all enjoyed in the current stadium.  The only dislike, and I think this is probably just because its a rendering, is the endzone scoreboard.  I think they could do better there.

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

Alaskan arctic grass?

Is it possible to have heated seats?

Who knows, but I'm pretty sure they've said they desire grass

 

The synthetic turf they're using now always looks good IMO and I've never heard of any complaints.

[Bad Things]

57 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

Alaskan arctic grass?

Is it possible to have heated seats?

I hear it could be a cross of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bench and Northern California Sinsemilla.

😀

Edited October 28, 2022 by Bad Things

[K-9]

26 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Complaining about the location of the stadium invites having the obvious pointed out. Complaining about no dome or only 65% coverage would be more worthwhile...

There’s no use in complaining, which is why I was merely pointing out yet another in a string of really poor economic and development mistakes made by Erie county and city of Buffalo leadership for decades. There’s a difference between complaining and lamenting. 
 

And I could give a rat’s ass about domes or what percentage of seats are covered. 

2 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

I hear it could be a cross of bluegrass, Kentucky bluegrass, featherbed bench and northern California Sinsemilla.

😀

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

There’s no use in complaining, which is why I was merely pointing out yet another in a string of really poor economic and development mistakes made by Erie county and city of Buffalo leadership for decades. There’s a difference between complaining and lamenting. 

See, the obvious is still lost on you

[K-9]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

See, the obvious is still lost on you

No. We are talking past each other. Simple as that. 

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

rep on show said field will be only 12 to 15 feet below grade, vs over 50 feet below grade in Highmark.

That will help cause major confusion for the wind. 

[Scott7975]

15 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

I hear it could be a cross of bluegrass, Kentucky bluegrass, featherbed bench and northern California Sinsemilla.

😀

 

No hemp?

[Draconator]

20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

No hemp?

 

See Diggs

[Pete]

21 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

No hemp?

Carl Spackler

[Since1981]

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

land around downtown still sitting dormant empty

still hard to believe there aren’t tons of cheap property or eminent domain. A vibrant downtown is a huge community benefit.

[SydneyBillsFan]

On 10/28/2022 at 12:01 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

But it's still in Tottenham. So there is that. 

 

They clearly should have replicated the stadium of the other great London club - Leyton Orient 

[Jerry Jabber]

 

[TH3]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

No. We are talking past each other. Simple as that. 

That will help cause major confusion for the wind. 

Good Lord…Did everyone sleep at a Holiday Inn Express? Field level in relation to surrounding elevation is one of a jillion variables that affect the end result of wind at field level….or maybe you have a copy of the wind study completed?

 

[K-9]

9 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Good Lord…Did everyone sleep at a Holiday Inn Express? Field level in relation to surrounding elevation is one of a jillion variables that affect the end result of wind at field level….or maybe you have a copy of the wind study completed?

 

Good lord, did everyone not realize that “wind confusion” is an ongoing joke whenever a reference is made to any aspect of the new stadium construction? 
 

That said, the 50 feet below grade field level at Highmark has always been a contributor to the wind issues in the stadium and a shallower lower bowl should help a ton in that regard. As will the more north/south orientation of the structure itself. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

They clearly should have replicated the stadium of the other great London club - Leyton Orient 

 

Great stadium. Especially as one of the corners which was developed into flats with pitch facing balconies now houses a brothel.... sorry a "totally legal massage parlour". 😄

[without a drought]

On 10/27/2022 at 9:25 PM, Virgil said:

 

I don't understand the dead space there

That is where the confused wind goes to wind down.

[K-9]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Great stadium. Especially as one of the corners which was developed into flats with pitch facing balconies now houses a brothel.... sorry a "totally legal massage parlour". 😄

 

[Richard Noggin]

20 minutes ago, without a drought said:

That is where the confused wind goes to wind down.

 

This will wind up an underrated sentence. 

[Georgia Bill]

Let's hope it's built in just the right position that the visiting team never gets any sun, while the Bills sidelines gets as much as possible for 1 pm start times.  Just opposite of Miami's stadium that keeps the Dolphins sideline nice and shady while visitors broil.  

Edited October 29, 2022 by Georgia Bill
typo

[SydneyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Great stadium. Especially as one of the corners which was developed into flats with pitch facing balconies now houses a brothel.... sorry a "totally legal massage parlour". 😄

 

Sounds great - book me in for 2, I'm bringing DeShawn...😁

[Bronxbomber21]

On 10/27/2022 at 8:25 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

Tottenham Hotspur has a larger covering then that rendering. I hope it looks exactly like Hotspur compared to those pictures.  Also with how this team is built I was really hoping for a retractable roof so the weather wouldn't slow Josh and the Offense down. 

[Bronxbomber21]

On 10/27/2022 at 8:26 AM, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

What was the Time Frame in getting this built and ready to Play? Just curious where Josh will be in his contract? 

2026 Josh 's age 30 season, year 6 into a 8 year deal

[DCofNC]

On 10/27/2022 at 8:20 AM, HOUSE said:

Who gets the job as superintendent of window washing?

This guy will be rich...

Forget the washing, who’s scraping them for November/Dec games?

[QCity]

10 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

 

 

 

This is absolutely amazing.

 

They missed- "OMG My 150 year-old uncle who fought in WWI and worships the Bills just wants to see them play one more time in January but he can't go without a dome"

 

and - "I don't live in WNY anymore and me and my fat wife don't really like the crowd so there should be a 5-star hotel adjacent to the dome so we don't have to commiserate with the drunken riff-raff"