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Was it Allen or Daboll?


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1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Dabs is getting it done, Jones is playing pretty well, not spectacular, but pretty well. Reminds me of a tall Tyrod so far, that’s not awful.

 

You can only get so far with mediocre QB play...it will catch up to them eventually.

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On 10/17/2022 at 2:28 PM, mrags said:

I mean is Jones really that special that what the Giants are doing is telling you Daboll is a QB whisperer? He hasn’t thrown for over 2TDs or 217 yards all season. The Giants aren’t winning because Jones, they are winning with good defense and the best RB (comeback player of the year) in Barkley 

Exactly.  The giants are doing a great job of scheming around Jones weaknesses and taking advantage of his limited strengths, whiling relying on their best player, Saquan, to carry the day.  I think Daboll is doing a fine coaching job, but this QB whisperer narrative is BS.  He had limited role is the development of Josh Allen.  He does know how to mold an offense around the skills of his players though.  

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6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You can only get so far with mediocre QB play...it will catch up to them eventually.

Not saying it won’t, but they have been able to run and stop the run, honestly their pass D is pretty darn good too.  They are team that doesn’t “scare” you, but they can beat you.  6-1 is WAY beyond expectations for the year, it won’t surprise me to see them win 10 games this year, pretty insane considering what they did last year.

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16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I don’t think they’re going to pay Jones (at least not anything of substance). He isn’t doing anything. Daboll is winning with very little from the QB position. 

Agreed, Jones will be lucky to get a Trubiski like deal.  He’s a bottom 10 starter at best, it’s arguable there are guys on the bench elsewhere that are capable of more, but he’s got the job, is young, does have physical abilities, so I’m sure he’ll get a “prove it” deal.

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On 10/17/2022 at 11:24 AM, Charles Romes said:

I was one of those who thought it was all-Allen. In fact, in my view Allen carried Daboll all four years. However, looking at the astonishing reclamation going on in New York, it’s difficult to ignore the possibility that the Bills lucked out by having an all-time quarterback whisperer on staff when Allen arrived. Allen would have become great no matter who coached him, but possibly not this level of great. 

 

I think Daboll was a positive influence but I think Dorsey, Palmer and the entire offensive staff including Daboll developed Allen's tremendous raw talent. I also think McD had a positive impact on Daboll's ability to translate to a (so far) good coach. Seeing how things were run by McD and the impact he had on the culture of an organization has helped him a lot.

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20 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Agreed, Jones will be lucky to get a Trubiski like deal.  He’s a bottom 10 starter at best, it’s arguable there are guys on the bench elsewhere that are capable of more, but he’s got the job, is young, does have physical abilities, so I’m sure he’ll get a “prove it” deal.

 

No there aren't.  He is a legit NFL starter.  They are 6-1.  You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play.  He is coming back to win games too.  He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door.  

 

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29 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Not saying it won’t, but they have been able to run and stop the run, honestly their pass D is pretty darn good too.  They are team that doesn’t “scare” you, but they can beat you.  6-1 is WAY beyond expectations for the year, it won’t surprise me to see them win 10 games this year, pretty insane considering what they did last year.

 

Yeah they have played very solidly. Their weak schedule for the most part is helping tremendously as well. 

 

Even against not great teams they are pretty much going down to under 2 minutes in the game to decide it. It's great they are finding a way but c'mon... How many times can you expect to make a tackle at the 1 yard line as time expires to win?

2 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

No there aren't.  He is a legit NFL starter.  They are 6-1.  You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play.  He is coming back to win games too.  He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door.  

 

 

He is being helped tremendously by Daboll's scheme giving him easy throws quite a bit.

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Daboll is doing a heck of a job. Saquan has revived his career and Daniel Jones is playing well with what little he has at WR. I’m impressed and would love to play them in the Super Bowl to get a little revenge from the only SB we rightfully should’ve won. Storylines abundant in this one. Here’s to a Bills vs Giants SB

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49 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Dabol is a better HC then OC. Who knew?

One of the smartest decisions  he has made so far was to let Kafka call the plays. Kafka has done a solid job and it's allowed Daboll to run the team instead of focusing on offense. That's why it's silly to me that teams focus on hiring these young offensive savants that may have great ideas on how to run an offense...but are terrible at running a team. Kingsbury comes to mind.

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50 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

It was different game then.  Wasn't as reliant on the pass, running the ball was the in thing to do.

You are correct, however those teams that won in the 90's did both really well. Aikman, Kelly, Young would have thrived throwing the ball as much as the Qb's do now. 

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59 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

No there aren't.  He is a legit NFL starter.  They are 6-1.  You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play.  He is coming back to win games too.  He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door.  

 

Ehh, I would tend to disagree that he’s knocking on the door of top half of the league.  I’d say Jimmy G, Hundley (Balt), Trubiski, Minshew, Heineke, maybe Rush, etc are all just as good if not better than Jones, and yes I know some are playing, but they are  backups.

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1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

 

No there aren't.  He is a legit NFL starter.  They are 6-1.  You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play.  He is coming back to win games too.  He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door.  

 

100% agree. Daniel Jones finally had a competent coaching staff around him and is starting to show why he was drafted so high. And he’s doing this with no legit weapons to throw to. He’s flashed talent throughout his career and actually has some wheels on him but was never consistent. I’ll be watching to see what the giants look like next year when Daboll gets him some weapons. If I couldn’t get him on a cost effective long term contract I would franchise him and see how he does with real wide receivers next year. 

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2 hours ago, Stenbar said:

You are correct, however those teams that won in the 90's did both really well. Aikman, Kelly, Young would have thrived throwing the ball as much as the Qb's do now. 

 

True but you were talking about Hostetler and Rypien.  Not sure those guys could win today as need big passing game.

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5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Who knew Geno Smith could actually play football?

 

 

I’m sure Aaron Rodgers will try to turn it up for Buffalo on Sunday night

It’s up to us to turn him down

 

I mean Rodgers can try, but he has no one to throw to. 

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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

Who knew Geno Smith could actually play football?

 

 

I’m sure Aaron Rodgers will try to turn it up for Buffalo on Sunday night

It’s up to us to turn him down

Geno was awesome in college, legitimately looked like a 1st round pick.  I think it’s obvious he can play, the question has always been, is he smart enough to make the adjustments pre-snap and make the smart play under pressure.  Early on, the answer was no.  He has been better this year, but still nothing to write home about.

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Giants at 6-1 have a +20 point differential

 

The Jags for reference at 2-5 are at  +18

Classic example of find a way to win vs find a way to lose.

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2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Geno was awesome in college, legitimately looked like a 1st round pick.  I think it’s obvious he can play, the question has always been, is he smart enough to make the adjustments pre-snap and make the smart play under pressure.  Early on, the answer was no.  He has been better this year, but still nothing to write home about.

Classic example of find a way to win vs find a way to lose.

Aka luck

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Originally, I thought it was all Allen and that he carried Daboll. Daboll before the Bills was mediocre, though he never had a QB. 

 

Perhaps Daboll is just an average OC, but great HC and Allen was destined for greatness regardless.

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