DCofNC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Dabs is getting it done, Jones is playing pretty well, not spectacular, but pretty well. Reminds me of a tall Tyrod so far, that’s not awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, DCofNC said: Dabs is getting it done, Jones is playing pretty well, not spectacular, but pretty well. Reminds me of a tall Tyrod so far, that’s not awful. You can only get so far with mediocre QB play...it will catch up to them eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 2:28 PM, mrags said: I mean is Jones really that special that what the Giants are doing is telling you Daboll is a QB whisperer? He hasn’t thrown for over 2TDs or 217 yards all season. The Giants aren’t winning because Jones, they are winning with good defense and the best RB (comeback player of the year) in Barkley Exactly. The giants are doing a great job of scheming around Jones weaknesses and taking advantage of his limited strengths, whiling relying on their best player, Saquan, to carry the day. I think Daboll is doing a fine coaching job, but this QB whisperer narrative is BS. He had limited role is the development of Josh Allen. He does know how to mold an offense around the skills of his players though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Daboll's passing Offense is 31st in the league, so he's not really "doing it with Jones", who stinks. He's doing with the #4 running game and the #7 Defense in points allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: You can only get so far with mediocre QB play...it will catch up to them eventually. Not saying it won’t, but they have been able to run and stop the run, honestly their pass D is pretty darn good too. They are team that doesn’t “scare” you, but they can beat you. 6-1 is WAY beyond expectations for the year, it won’t surprise me to see them win 10 games this year, pretty insane considering what they did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 and 1 is impressive.. But still not sold yet. Not sure why but I still think they come down to earth here in at least some way. Hard to imagine them missing the playoffs now... But we will see. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: I don’t think they’re going to pay Jones (at least not anything of substance). He isn’t doing anything. Daboll is winning with very little from the QB position. Agreed, Jones will be lucky to get a Trubiski like deal. He’s a bottom 10 starter at best, it’s arguable there are guys on the bench elsewhere that are capable of more, but he’s got the job, is young, does have physical abilities, so I’m sure he’ll get a “prove it” deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Obviously it was Allen No wait Daboll No wait Allen No wait Daboll No wait Allen No wait Daboll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Allen. Because he's crushing without. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Allen doesn’t need OC he just need the ball in his hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 So did this question really need to be asked/answered? 20/80 with 80% on Allen. I think he called to many running plays with Allen at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Give me Martindale please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Give me Martindale please. They have done a good job in points allowed, which, I suppose is the bottom line. However, that defense is not really that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 11:24 AM, Charles Romes said: I was one of those who thought it was all-Allen. In fact, in my view Allen carried Daboll all four years. However, looking at the astonishing reclamation going on in New York, it’s difficult to ignore the possibility that the Bills lucked out by having an all-time quarterback whisperer on staff when Allen arrived. Allen would have become great no matter who coached him, but possibly not this level of great. I think Daboll was a positive influence but I think Dorsey, Palmer and the entire offensive staff including Daboll developed Allen's tremendous raw talent. I also think McD had a positive impact on Daboll's ability to translate to a (so far) good coach. Seeing how things were run by McD and the impact he had on the culture of an organization has helped him a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Big Turk said: You can only get so far with mediocre QB play...it will catch up to them eventually. Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien say, ummmm, ok... Lol..j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Agreed, Jones will be lucky to get a Trubiski like deal. He’s a bottom 10 starter at best, it’s arguable there are guys on the bench elsewhere that are capable of more, but he’s got the job, is young, does have physical abilities, so I’m sure he’ll get a “prove it” deal. No there aren't. He is a legit NFL starter. They are 6-1. You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play. He is coming back to win games too. He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Not saying it won’t, but they have been able to run and stop the run, honestly their pass D is pretty darn good too. They are team that doesn’t “scare” you, but they can beat you. 6-1 is WAY beyond expectations for the year, it won’t surprise me to see them win 10 games this year, pretty insane considering what they did last year. Yeah they have played very solidly. Their weak schedule for the most part is helping tremendously as well. Even against not great teams they are pretty much going down to under 2 minutes in the game to decide it. It's great they are finding a way but c'mon... How many times can you expect to make a tackle at the 1 yard line as time expires to win? 2 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: No there aren't. He is a legit NFL starter. They are 6-1. You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play. He is coming back to win games too. He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door. He is being helped tremendously by Daboll's scheme giving him easy throws quite a bit. Edited October 23, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stenbar said: Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien say, ummmm, ok... Lol..j/k It was different game then. Wasn't as reliant on the pass, running the ball was the in thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Daboll is doing a heck of a job. Saquan has revived his career and Daniel Jones is playing well with what little he has at WR. I’m impressed and would love to play them in the Super Bowl to get a little revenge from the only SB we rightfully should’ve won. Storylines abundant in this one. Here’s to a Bills vs Giants SB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsbackto81 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 If Josh and Co. played that schedule they'd be 7-0 with a point differential of +250 Nothing against Dab's, he's a good coach bringing a positive mindset to the Giants organization. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 49 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: Dabol is a better HC then OC. Who knew? One of the smartest decisions he has made so far was to let Kafka call the plays. Kafka has done a solid job and it's allowed Daboll to run the team instead of focusing on offense. That's why it's silly to me that teams focus on hiring these young offensive savants that may have great ideas on how to run an offense...but are terrible at running a team. Kingsbury comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Giants are 6-1 in one score games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: It was different game then. Wasn't as reliant on the pass, running the ball was the in thing to do. You are correct, however those teams that won in the 90's did both really well. Aikman, Kelly, Young would have thrived throwing the ball as much as the Qb's do now. Edited October 23, 2022 by Stenbar Mispoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: No there aren't. He is a legit NFL starter. They are 6-1. You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play. He is coming back to win games too. He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door. Ehh, I would tend to disagree that he’s knocking on the door of top half of the league. I’d say Jimmy G, Hundley (Balt), Trubiski, Minshew, Heineke, maybe Rush, etc are all just as good if not better than Jones, and yes I know some are playing, but they are backups. Edited October 23, 2022 by DCofNC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Bills2022 said: No there aren't. He is a legit NFL starter. They are 6-1. You don't go 6-1 in the NFL with a guy who can't play. He is coming back to win games too. He is not in the top 1/2 of starters in the NFL, but he clearly in knocking on the door. 100% agree. Daniel Jones finally had a competent coaching staff around him and is starting to show why he was drafted so high. And he’s doing this with no legit weapons to throw to. He’s flashed talent throughout his career and actually has some wheels on him but was never consistent. I’ll be watching to see what the giants look like next year when Daboll gets him some weapons. If I couldn’t get him on a cost effective long term contract I would franchise him and see how he does with real wide receivers next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Stenbar said: You are correct, however those teams that won in the 90's did both really well. Aikman, Kelly, Young would have thrived throwing the ball as much as the Qb's do now. True but you were talking about Hostetler and Rypien. Not sure those guys could win today as need big passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 This reminds me of the classic nature vs nurture argument. And like that argument, it's not one or the other, it's both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I think it was the franchise in general coming together as a team. Allen and Coach D kinda of complimented each other, the relationship they have/had supports as much. Both are pretty dang good evidently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) Who knew Geno Smith could actually play football? I’m sure Aaron Rodgers will try to turn it up for Buffalo on Sunday night It’s up to us to turn him down Edited October 24, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Allen needed Daboll in years 1 & 2 to develop and learn the NFL pace. Years 3 & 4 were all Josh. JA17 is so polished now that a blind squirrel could coach him here on out and he'd succeed. Dabs will be an above average coach for the Giants but thinking Jones is their future is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Giants at 6-1 have a +20 point differential The Jags for reference at 2-5 are at +18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Who knew Geno Smith could actually play football? I’m sure Aaron Rodgers will try to turn it up for Buffalo on Sunday night It’s up to us to turn him down I mean Rodgers can try, but he has no one to throw to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Giants at 6-1 have a +20 point differential The Jags for reference at 2-5 are at +18 What Dabs is doing in NY is more impressive than what he did in Buffalo lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 At the 40% mark season, hard to argue: Daboll coach of yr Allen MVP. I would suggest they needed each other in order to hit their maturity stride before and now are both far better for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I never would have guessed, but next week's Seahawks-Giants game, is actually a big game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Who knew Geno Smith could actually play football? I’m sure Aaron Rodgers will try to turn it up for Buffalo on Sunday night It’s up to us to turn him down Geno was awesome in college, legitimately looked like a 1st round pick. I think it’s obvious he can play, the question has always been, is he smart enough to make the adjustments pre-snap and make the smart play under pressure. Early on, the answer was no. He has been better this year, but still nothing to write home about. 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Giants at 6-1 have a +20 point differential The Jags for reference at 2-5 are at +18 Classic example of find a way to win vs find a way to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Geno was awesome in college, legitimately looked like a 1st round pick. I think it’s obvious he can play, the question has always been, is he smart enough to make the adjustments pre-snap and make the smart play under pressure. Early on, the answer was no. He has been better this year, but still nothing to write home about. Classic example of find a way to win vs find a way to lose. Aka luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I can’t wait to bet against the Giants in the playoffs. But salute to Daboll. Very impressive start and Barkley looks amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Originally, I thought it was all Allen and that he carried Daboll. Daboll before the Bills was mediocre, though he never had a QB. Perhaps Daboll is just an average OC, but great HC and Allen was destined for greatness regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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