NFL Week 6 - Bills victorious!!!! Over Chiefs - post game thread

[Scott7975]

Dolphins fans are already in their delusion thinking Tua is the best QB in the NFL because "Mahomes cant beat the Bills but Tua can." Lol

[Solomon Grundy]

32 minutes ago, muppy said:

avatar worthy photo

The move Josh put on Sneed prior to the hurdle was Barry Sanders like

[Punching Bag]

21 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

He's not quite in Frank Reich territory in "local legend" terms, but he has to be getting close, right?

 

Would not mind a poster of him of a collage of various plays.  With the title: Never give up.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Limeaid
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[Ralonzo]

55 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Every once in awhile something catches my eye during a game that makes me laugh.  I'm not "football rules professional", but this fan must know something I don't.

 

As I recall, we were on our 8 or 9 yd line and committed a penalty.  This KC Fan wanted the refs to award a safety.

 

Am I missing something or is this guy thinking farrrr outside the box?

 

 

 

You sure that wasn't the play where Josh scrambled for one yard loss and even the Chiefs players were signaling a safety? Like, the play before the next 5 where the Bills gained 99 yards in one minute.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Dolphins fans are already in their delusion thinking Tua is the best QB in the NFL because "Mahomes cant beat the Bills but Tua can." Lol

 

Yeah those 213 yards of offense against a team with their whole starting secondary was out was brilliant

[Beck Water]

23 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Those things have happened, perhaps not really our B game, just some underestimating the opponents D. Personally I think play calling could be blamed more than execution on some of those drives. 
End of the day the team pulled out a W, showing they have learned from past mistakes, not perfect but good enough for the W. 

 

One thing I appreciated as a sign of growth from Josh, and from the Bills team and coaches:  I feel that two years ago, and even last year at times, when we got down to a good team or through multiple miscues and mistakes, Josh would start pressing and the team would get a bit frenzied in their play.

 

This time I felt it remained Stone Cold Killer time - focused, on to the next play, trusting in each other, determined to go for the other team's throat on every play.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Beck Water

[BringBackFergy]

Just now, Ralonzo said:

 

You sure that wasn't the play where Josh scrambled for one yard loss and even the Chiefs players were signaling a safety? Like, the play before the next 5 where the Bills gained 99 yards in one minute.

It was a few plays before that...we were out further from the goal line.  I'll try and find  clip.

[Bruffalo]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Dolphins fans are already in their delusion thinking Tua is the best QB in the NFL because "Mahomes cant beat the Bills but Tua can." Lol

 

Let's be honest, Tua doesn't remember beating Allen. 

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

The move Josh put on Sneed prior to the hurdle was Barry Sanders like

 

I literally thought Sneed might have torn his ACL the way Allen buckled his knees with that juke...

 

Then watching Sneed get up like a dazed fighter after being knocked down and stumble after Allen was hilarious as he hurdled the dude...

 

I can't stop watching it...

[beebe]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Their defense up until this season has been top 10 in points allowed though pretty consistently…idk why people treat yards like it is the end all be all.  As far as helping out your qb goes,  points allowed is the definitive stat 
 

I don’t think I really completely trust DVOA over points allowed in this case…we all saw what happened to buffalos defense when we played great teams last year. Doesn’t seem like they account for quality of opponents enough 

Id take spagnuolo/the kc defense in a big game over the pre von miller bills defense every single time 

 

 They were 8th in points allowed per game last season and 10th the season before and 7th the season before that.  The only time his defense was bad was the year they won the superbowl ironically. 

 

’he hasn’t had a defense to back him up’ is really just pro mahomes propaganda 🤣. 

 

DVOA is adjusting for schedule strength. Traditional points allowed stats - besides being often misleading (ie special teams or defensive scores; turnovers that set up short fields etc) - means very little in terms of predictive value. If KC played a schedule consisting of Bills, Ravens, Eagles, Chargers, Dolphins, Bengals, you'd expect their defense to perform far worse than if they played a schedule consisting of Panthers, Colts, Bears, Commanders, Texans, Steelers. 

 

DVOA helps iron all this out. 

[NyQuil]

Jim Rome just played the KC audio of Butker’s record field goal and then followed it with audio from the game ending interception.

 

The difference is just 🤣.

[Solomon Grundy]

I don't agree with Sal C when he says that fumble was Josh's fault. If that play was an option, McKenzie's job is to be looking for the pitch, isn't it?? 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said:

This reminds me when Shaq and Jordan Phillips were making fun of Zeke Elliott and his feed me hand gesture.

 

 

 

Agree, I thought the same thing.  I loved when they did that.  Having personality on the football team is important and as great of a signing Von Miller is, I think getting Phillips back is underated.  Lawson too for that matter.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Scott7975]

12 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I don't agree with Sal C when he says that fumble was Josh's fault. If that play was an option, McKenzie's job is to be looking for the pitch, isn't it?? 

 

Tough to say.  Could be a timing thing.  Its possible Josh tossed it early and McK wasnt ready.  Nobody knows this stuff but the Bills.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

22 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

DVOA is adjusting for schedule strength. Traditional points allowed stats - besides being often misleading (ie special teams or defensive scores; turnovers that set up short fields etc) - means very little in terms of predictive value. If KC played a schedule consisting of Bills, Ravens, Eagles, Chargers, Dolphins, Bengals, you'd expect their defense to perform far worse than if they played a schedule consisting of Panthers, Colts, Bears, Commanders, Texans, Steelers. 

 

DVOA helps iron all this out. 

I know it tries to but I don’t think it’s doing a good enough job personally when quantifying last season just as an example.  Our scheme just didn’t hold up against certain styles of offenses so the fact that we were absolutely stifling bad teams really meant nothing in relation to our performance against good ones.  

 

DVOA is maybe useful in speculating on defensive performances in future games but we’re talking about how much help a qb got from his defensive side in games that have already happened so I think PA is a better metric to use in that case.  But that’s just my opinion obviously lol 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Those things have happened, perhaps not really our B game, just some underestimating the opponents D. Personally I think play calling could be blamed more than execution on some of those drives. 
End of the day the team pulled out a W, showing they have learned from past mistakes, not perfect but good enough for the W. 

 

McKenzie was a big part of the game plan and just was not on the same page as Allen.

 

The option shovel pass is not incredibly new trickery, but McKenzie has to be upfield more and ready for it. He was neither, and that set the wrong tone.

 

Allan was playing a bit hyped early too, but settled down.

 

Also think that Allen has not seen a lot of blitz packages for a while with so many teams playing us with cover 2.

 

Took a while to adjust and the pressure was throwing off the timing.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by WideNine

[Punching Bag]

21 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Anyone see  @Zerovoltz?

 

Maybe he hiding after betting 80K on Chiefs? 

 

Update: I did a search and he was gracious in defeat:

 

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Welp....that played out about like I said it would.  Congratulations!  ....rest of season will be about seeing if Bills can secure that 1 seed.  Hopefully we will see you again in Buffalo in the playoffs!  

 

All in all...another enjoyable game between KC and the Bills.  Disappointed Mahomes couldn't bring it home at the end.  

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/27352-zerovoltz/

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Limeaid
Added earlier post KC posted

[YoloinOhio]

 

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Some of those comments are priceless.

[YoloinOhio]

37 minutes ago, NyQuil said:

Jim Rome just played the KC audio of Butker’s record field goal and then followed it with audio from the game ending interception.

 

The difference is just 🤣.

Aligns to this:

 

[Bills2022]

The Allen throw to Knox to win the game is really just an incredible throw.  It is very similar to the throw Dalton made against the Ravens to end the playoff drought.  It is amazing just how close it was.  When Josh said "millimeters" he was pretty close. Unreal QB. 

 

[BillsFanSD]

47 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I don't agree with Sal C when he says that fumble was Josh's fault. If that play was an option, McKenzie's job is to be looking for the pitch, isn't it?? 

TBH, even if that play was a total improvisation by Allen, the fumble is still McKenzie's fault.  This is Allen's fifth year.  We know he likes to improvise.  If you want to be a starting skill position player for the Buffalo Bills, you need to be on the same page as the franchise cornerstone who's getting paid $250M to make highlight reel plays.  It's inexcusable for a player to be in lateral/pitch range and be unprepared to receive a lateral.  

[Jukester]

51 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I don't agree with Sal C when he says that fumble was Josh's fault. If that play was an option, McKenzie's job is to be looking for the pitch, isn't it?? 

 

37 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Tough to say.  Could be a timing thing.  Its possible Josh tossed it early and McK wasnt ready.  Nobody knows this stuff but the Bills.

 

Sal said the play was a screen to the opposite side and when that wasn't there Josh improvised to McKenzie.  He wasn't expecting anything coming his way.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

My small children are spoiled by these Bills. If they only knew what we had endured for the last 20+ years. 

[LewPort71]

16 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

All class by 17. 

The video of Josh handing the ball to this child HAS to be in any end of year summary / hype video.

Absolutely priceless

[Warcodered]

 

[No_Matter_What]

15 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes, you are wrong. Bills are significantly better. Today they showed they can play their B game and still beat the Chiefs at home. 

I mean I am not arguing we are not better than the Chiefs (we definitely are), but where did this notion of Bills playing their B game (and you are not only one claiming that) came from? That is some serious homerism imo and insulting to Chiefs.

 

Defense played their A+ game vs great Chiefs offense. And our offense also played great, save for some miscues coming mostly from McKenzie. I think it is weird to expect complete mistake-free play and call only such play an "A game". Its completely unrealistic. Jmo ofc.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, Jukester said:

 

 

Sal said the play was a screen to the opposite side and when that wasn't there Josh improvised to McKenzie.  He wasn't expecting anything coming his way.

Okay, but when you see the improvisation and you're running with the QB, what is his job? It's not like he was attempting to block anyone. 

[ToGoGo]

17 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

TBH, even if that play was a total improvisation by Allen, the fumble is still McKenzie's fault.  This is Allen's fifth year.  We know he likes to improvise.  If you want to be a starting skill position player for the Buffalo Bills, you need to be on the same page as the franchise cornerstone who's getting paid $250M to make highlight reel plays.  It's inexcusable for a player to be in lateral/pitch range and be unprepared to receive a lateral.  

 

I keep thinking about the improvised throw to Diggs after the center mishandled the spike in the Dolphins game. 

 

Diggs had no idea it was coming but when he saw the ball coming he instinctively realized his QB needed him. 

 

McKenzie needs to be more in the moment and less about girls and his restaurant and his persona and other off field crap. 

 

I'm also hoping it was also related to lingering concussion symptoms. 

[gobills404]

Mahomes watching Josh throw TD passes more than 10 yards through the air

 

[WideNine]

28 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Okay, but when you see the improvisation and you're running with the QB, what is his job? It's not like he was attempting to block anyone. 

 

This.

 

He had to be there as an option. Whether he expected it or not is another question.

 

Josh will often keep those, but with the defense keying on him, McKenzie had the better angle to the pylon.

 

I actually like those option play designs as Allen gets so much attention, but clearly the execution needs some practice.

 

Mahomes does those option plays with shovel passes quite a lot near the goal line too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by WideNine

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

9 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I dont care what anyone thinks about how good or bad these teams are.  The Bills beat the Rams, Ravens, Chiefs on the road.  Also played 2 physical teams at home. 4 out of 6 games on the road to start the season.  Banged up like crazy and only a heat storm keeping us from 6-0. Thats no easy feat.  

 

If the trolls dont think this team is legit now, they never will.

I don't think anyone is disputing this team is legit....they were legit last year and the year before that.   For me, I'm done getting hype for regular season wins for a team this good.  They should win.  They are the better team.  But to beat our chests like the Bills are world beaters is absurd.  I'll get hype when the Bills, who have all the capability in the world to win a SB, and have now for three straight seasons, actually do it and not completely collapse against KC in the playoffs.

 

@Mark Vader

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by BIGFOOTspaceman

[WideNine]

52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

A lot of those comments were a bit salty.

 

It is true that the pass pro held up well - good job OL, but KC had abandoned sending a 5th rusher to put more men in coverage as Allen was burning their blitz.

 

And that was still an amazing throw in a tight window.

 

I have heard enough former QBs comment on it to know it was likely not a pedestrian feat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bobobonators]

Milano had an amazing game. Right there w Von in terms of Defensive mvp imo. 

[st pete gogolak]

Nobody wants to rehash the end of last year's playoff game, but the 62 yard Butker FG (which would have been good from at least 67 yards out) shows that coaching hasn't caught up with what modern NFL kickers are capable of.  If your kickoff is a touchback with no time off the clock, you start at the 25 and need - what? - 30 yards? - to be in legitimate FG range.  That's true for a whole bunch of kickers, Butker, Tucker, Bass and a lot more.  Is it a gimme?  No, but it is makeable.  30 yards with timeouts and 13 seconds left?  Very doable.  30 seconds left?  An eternity.  If you're protecting a 1, 2 or 3 point lead in the last minute of a game, you just can't play soft, prevent defense.  Today's kickers are jut too good.  We might be 6 - 0 if we had called a running play in Miami on the play Quessenberry was called for the hold.  A couple of yards and Bass is attempting a 50 something yard FG.  These days, that is makeable.  

[bobobonators]

33 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I mean I am not arguing we are not better than the Chiefs (we definitely are), but where did this notion of Bills playing their B game (and you are not only one claiming that) came from? That is some serious homerism imo and insulting to Chiefs.

 

Defense played their A+ game vs great Chiefs offense. And our offense also played great, save for some miscues coming mostly from McKenzie. I think it is weird to expect complete mistake-free play and call only such play an "A game". Its completely unrealistic. Jmo ofc.

I think the argument can be made that the Bills made some unforced errors on offense in the first half. They could’ve easily scored more pts and it was mostly their fault for not doing so. The argument can be made that the defense played an A game but the Offense played a B game for them. 

[Mark Vader]

16 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I don't think anyone is disputing this team is legit....they were legit last year and the year before that.   For me, I'm done getting hype for regular season wins for a team this good.  They should win.  They are the better team.  But to beat our chests like the Bills are world beaters is absurd.  I'll get hype when the Bills, who have all the capability in the world to win a SB, and have now for three straight seasons, actually do it and not completely collapse against KC in the playoffs.

 

@Mark Vader

 

 

I've never once claimed that the Bills were world beaters, rather that they are a top team in the league and have a real chance of winning a Super Bowl championship.

 

There are posters on here who constantly complain about the Bills being garbage, and then when the Bills do something positive, those posters disappear.

 

We saw it yesterday on this board in the gameday threads.

 

I wasn't thrilled with everything the Bills did yesterday.

I thought the shovel pass to McKenzie was a terrible call.

I thought the squib kick was the wrong thing to do, and then playing prevent was worse.

And I did not agree with the Bills going for it on 4th & 3 at mid-field.

 

The thing is that I don't just constantly complain about the Bills for 90-95% of the game.

I see the good in this team, and I acknowledge it.

[wjag]

Here is a stat I heard today:

 

Von Millers last 16 games: He's 14-2 with 15 sacks.

[Mango]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

My question on poyers road trip. 
 

Do the Bills pick up that tab for the 15 hour drive service, then driver likely stays around and drives the same way back. 
 

that would be a pretty big Tab. Seeing it is travel for the game do the Bills pick up that tab like they do on the charter flights?  

It’s two drivers. The DOT won’t let one driver make that entire trip, they’ll have to switch. 
 

The Bills likely have a contract with a charter company already. It’s just a matter of the charter company having an available vehicle or the Bills renting a van for 3-4 days. 
 

Actually not that crazy.