Report: Steelers fear that DPOY T.J. Watt tore his pec in win over Bengals

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

Where did you see this? The reports I've heard said it turned out to be minor. It definitely didn't look minor though. 

ESPN morning radio show. 

[SoMAn]

Since we’re talking about Pittsburgh/Cinci…

The Chase catch for the TD that wasn’t.  CBS contributor/commentator and ex-official Gene Steratore stated that as long as it was a completed pass and the receiver’s foot was on the white line of the end zone, it should be a TD, regardless of whether or not the ball crossed the plane. Anyone want to weigh in on that statement? Not sure it’s true.

Fwiw, it shouldn’t have mattered-the ball was over the line.  Here’s proof.

I can’t believe the Bengals coach didn’t challenge. IMO, not challenging may have cost them the game. 
 

Edited September 12, 2022 by SoMAn

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

In other news from that game..........Trubisky still sucks.    

Kinda true. I like the guy - seemed like a great teammate who knew his backup role well. So I was trying to convince myself that he’d actually be good in his second go-round as a starter. 
But the highest praise I can come up with so far is “maybe a slight upgrade over the 2021 version of Big Ben.”

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

Since we’re talking about Pittsburgh/Cinci…

The Chase catch for the TD that wasn’t.  CBS contributor/commentator and ex-official Gene Steratore stated that as long as it was a completed pass and the receiver’s foot was on the white line of the end zone, it should be a TD, regardless of whether or not the ball crossed the plane. Anyone want to weigh in on that statement? Not sure it’s true.

Fwiw, it shouldn’t have mattered-the ball was over the line.  Here’s proof.

I can’t believe the Bengals coach didn’t challenge. IMO, not challenging may have cost them the game. 
 

 

It's not the foot, it's the ball that has to cross the plane.  Looks like it did.  

[Roundybout]

 

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, wjag said:

That was a great, wacky game.  And yeah, he knew it immediately. He pointed to it as he walked off the field and went straight to locker room 

 

and anyone who doesn’t appreciate Reid Ferguson should watch that game replay.  

 

Of course (the intelligent) we appreciate him.  He is longest tenured Bill.  Next someone whose opinion which is worth less than the prize in a box of cracker jack will say we should cut him and replace with UDFA to save money to give to a player who is already making a lot of money.

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Long snapping is a skill.  Just because you're a center it doesn't mean you can do it.

 

It is certainly a practicable skill and anyone with decent size and coordination on practice squad should be practicing it

Never hurts to have an additional skill to have you be elevated for a game or be active just in case.

[C.Biscuit97]

I hate injuries. Of course, maybe the Watt boys should chill with the roids though. Kidding of course (but they do seem to have their bodies break down). 

[Big Blitz]

17 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

 

We play them October 9.

 

They play Sunday night October 23 at Miami. 

 

Sounds about right for a return for the national audience.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

He could have hit him way worse if he wanted to...could have de-cleated him. I don't see it being dirty...I see it the other way, that he exercised restraint...he didn't aim for his knees, he didn't level him, he simply got in his way as Burrow was sprinting to try and make a tackle on one of his numerous INTs I am assuming.

 

 

Yeah that's not a great example of him being a dirty player...........but he is never the least bit concerned that he may cheap shot someone.   If it won't draw a flag there is no restraint with him.   Example:  for most players there is a difference between a peanut punch and punching someone like you are in a street fight.......there is a measured restraint...........Watt isn't afraid to punch another player full force in the junk if he misses.   I'd be good with him on my team but as an opposing player I don't wish him well and I've always felt that he and JJ were roided up on another level than the average NFL player so these type of injuries eventually happen to heavy juicers, IMO.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah that's not a great example of him being a dirty player...........but he is never the least bit concerned that he may cheap shot someone.   If it won't draw a flag there is no restraint with him.   Example:  for most players there is a difference between a peanut punch and punching someone like you are in a street fight.......there is a measured restraint...........Watt isn't afraid to punch another player full force in the junk if he misses.   I'd be good with him on my team but as an opposing player I don't wish him well and I've always felt that he and JJ were roided up on another level than the average NFL player so these type of injuries eventually happen to heavy juicers, IMO.

 

Well...one of the key issues with roids is muscle/tendon/ligament issues as the muscles get too big too fast for the tendons and ligaments to be able to withstand the extra force...tendons and ligaments take far longer to grow and build up properly to handle the force required.

 

Not saying his potential pec tear would be a perfect example of the type of injury that would be more common with that...but it's the type of injury that would be more common with that.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Big Turk

[SoMAn]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's not the foot, it's the ball that has to cross the plane.  Looks like it did.  

So either I misunderstood what Steratore was saying or CBS has a contributing former official getting paid decently to comment on rules, but he doesn't actually know them that well.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

CBS contributor/commentator and ex-official Gene Steratore stated that as long as it was a completed pass and the receiver’s foot was on the white line of the end zone, it should be a TD, regardless of whether or not the ball crossed the plane.

 

It sort of came out of his mouth like that but it was kind of garbled.

I thought he was trying to say that if his right foot is on the endline with the ball in his right hand it's a TD, implying that this meant the ball had touched the plane of the goalline.

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Dude gets injured pulling off one guys helmet and then trying to behead the QB.  Tears his juiced up pec.  

 

Another Watt bro sidelined with pec injury (his bro bro is out with a bunch of torn bits as well).  Nothing to see here NFLPA and NFL!

These guys (the Watt bros.) seem fragile, and I would guess it's because they are juicing like crazy and are "puffed up" beyond their natural size and strength level.

 

They're like an F1 car that is so tweaked and hot-rodded, so close to the edge of breaking with regard to every component, that one problem comes along and BOOM....you have a failure.

 

Compare both those guys to a guy like Reggie White, who was just a natural horse and had "honest" size and strength without the need for juicing and much greater reliability as a result.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Nextmanup

[RiotAct]

43 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

We play them October 9.

 

They play Sunday night October 23 at Miami. 

 

Sounds about right for a return for the national audience.  

he’ll be back for the Bills game.

[Golden*Wheels]

33 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

So either I misunderstood what Steratore was saying or CBS has a contributing former official getting paid decently to comment on rules, but he doesn't actually know them that well.

I heard it the same way you did. In my recollection he didn't mention the plane or the ball at all. He essentially said his foot was in, so, TD. Didn't make sense to me either.

[RoyBatty is alive]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

It sort of came out of his mouth like that but it was kind of garbled.

I thought he was trying to say that if his right foot is on the endline with the ball in his right hand it's a TD, implying that this meant the ball had touched the plane of the goalline.

If you dive forward for a ball and your feet  are in the endzone, its a TD regardless of where the ball was.

 

 

[Steve O]

5 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Long Snapper is a specialist, just like kickers and punters. It's like asking a kicker to Punt, completely different mechanics.

 

They will have another long snapper signed by Sunday if theirs will be out for any given time.

Yep...There's a reason Adam Linger played for 13 seasons. Said that one snap stands out in his mind, the game winner in the comeback game. Given the conditions he knew he had to keep it low.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Steve O

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

I heard it the same way you did. In my recollection he didn't mention the plane or the ball at all. He essentially said his foot was in, so, TD. Didn't make sense to me either.

If your feet are in the endzone and you have control of the ball, it is a TD, 100%.  Where the ball is totally irrelevant.  How many plays are TDs as receivers ball outside of the end zone, hundreds each year.

[plenzmd1]

53 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

   Example:  for most players there is a difference between a peanut punch and punching someone like you are in a street fight......

this rule drives me nuts. I think, and stress think, it was in the Giants game and a RB was being held up, and Titans player wound up and with a full right uppercut tried to jar the ball lose. He got all arm, no ball...and the ref even came in and you could see he was warning him. To me, a punch is a punch...it is either legal or its not. Like you say, getting to take a free swipe at a guys junk with the defense of "just trying to knock the ball lose" is BS. Watt misses a lot on his "Peanut Punches" btw

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Dude gets injured pulling off one guys helmet and then trying to behead the QB.  Tears his juiced up pec.  

 

Another Watt bro sidelined with pec injury (his bro bro is out with a bunch of torn bits as well).  Nothing to see here NFLPA and NFL!

Oh, these guys are clean, they just eat a lot of protein and lift,  as I have been told several times by members here, 😂🤣😆,

[wjag]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

this rule drives me nuts. I think, and stress think, it was in the Giants game and a RB was being held up, and Titans player wound up and with a full right uppercut tried to jar the ball lose. He got all arm, no ball...and the ref even came in and you could see he was warning him. To me, a punch is a punch...it is either legal or its not. Like you say, getting to take a free swipe at a guys junk with the defense of "just trying to knock the ball lose" is BS. Watt misses a lot on his "Peanut Punches" btw

 

Pretty sure it was Dupree on Saquan.  Saquan didn't flinch either.  Just stared at him.   

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

this rule drives me nuts. I think, and stress think, it was in the Giants game and a RB was being held up, and Titans player wound up and with a full right uppercut tried to jar the ball lose. He got all arm, no ball...and the ref even came in and you could see he was warning him. To me, a punch is a punch...it is either legal or its not. Like you say, getting to take a free swipe at a guys junk with the defense of "just trying to knock the ball lose" is BS. Watt misses a lot on his "Peanut Punches" btw

 

 

Yeah if you miss........it should be flagged.   I remember Bryan Cox years ago getting a penalty for such a punch.   It stood out because players didn't throw punches like that.   Tillman was great at the subtle punch........prior to that most such fumbles were caused by pulling on the arm and stripping the ball with an open hand to knock it loose because punching was clearly illegal.    But it's gotten to the point where some players just think they can flail wildly and the league hasn't addressed it.   Watt just hacks away on ball carriers because he can.

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

Pretty sure it was Dupree on Saquan.  Saquan didn't flinch either.  Just stared at him.   

Makes sense, they prolly teach it Pittsburgh. Watt did this to Allen last year pretty sure to and missed

[frostbitmic]

7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Oh, these guys are clean, they just eat a lot of protein and lift,  as I have been told several times by members here, 😂🤣😆,

The Watt bros should be using that TB12 miracle beverage. It not only miraculously heals whatever ails you but it halts the aging process and keeps you young forever. Julio Jones has said he was using it and he looked young again.

 

Has the NFL ever tested that stuff ? ... Coming from a guy who has some "shady" dealings to help him win in his past, random testing of that could be interesting.

[Rampage]

I hope it's not serious like they're now saying could be the case. I could watch Watt pass rush all day, just not against us.

[Simon]

32 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

If you dive forward for a ball and your feet  are in the endzone, its a TD regardless of where the ball was.

 

 

 

I do not believe this is true

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

I do not believe this is true

Ball has to cross the plane

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah if you miss........it should be flagged.   I remember Bryan Cox years ago getting a penalty for such a punch.   It stood out because players didn't throw punches like that.   Tillman was great at the subtle punch........prior to that most such fumbles were caused by pulling on the arm and stripping the ball with an open hand to knock it loose because punching was clearly illegal.    But it's gotten to the point where some players just think they can flail wildly and the league hasn't addressed it.   Watt just hacks away on ball carriers because he can.

agree totally. I was telling my buddy this same thing. Go for the punch, if you want. You miss the ball at all, and it is a 15-yard unsportsmanlike. That’s the risk you take. 

[LABILLBACKER]

41 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

he’ll be back for the Bills game.

Good, and Josh will get rid of it quickly, just like he did against Donald.  I'm sorry but I'm not going to feel sorry for an organization that's won 6 SB's when a star goes down. 

[BritBill]

17 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

The Watt bros should be using that TB12 miracle beverage. It not only miraculously heals whatever ails you but it halts the aging process and keeps you young forever. Julio Jones has said he was using it and he looked young again.

 

Has the NFL ever tested that stuff ? ... Coming from a guy who has some "shady" dealings to help him win in his past, random testing of that could be interesting.

Does make you order about last minute vacations being booked in the middle of training camp. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

23 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Ball has to cross the plane

I disagree.

 

What happens when the receiver is one one side of the end zone, QB is one the same side of the field and throws it to his outside so only the receiver can catch it. If the receiver  has his feet in the end zone and the ball is thrown outside and the  ball never crosses the end zone that is a TD. Those type of throws happen al the time.

[plenzmd1]

4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I disagree.

 

What happens when the receiver is one one side of the end zone, QB is one the same side of the field and throws it to his outside so only the receiver can catch it. If the receiver  has his feet in the end zone and the ball is thrown outside and the  ball never crosses the end zone that is a TD. Those type of throws happen al the time.

Ball has to cross.

 

Quote

Players catching the ball in the end zone must get two feet down in bounds in order to score a touchdown. The key stipulations are that the player also possesses the ball and the ball crosses the goal line. If a player has his feet in the end zone but receives the ball short of the goal line, this is not a touchdown by NFL rule. A catch made in the end zone requires two feet down and control of the ball on or past the goal line to be a touchdown.

Just google this phrase

 

does the ball have  to cross the end zone line or just feet on catch to be a TD

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

If your feet are in the endzone and you have control of the ball, it is a TD, 100%.  Where the ball is totally irrelevant.  How many plays are TDs as receivers ball outside of the end zone, hundreds each year.

I do not think this is true for the goal line.  We have seen guys make catches and get their feet down in the end zone but we’re falling back into the field of play and if the ball did not cross the plan - they were ruled short.

 

If we are looking at the sides or back lines of the end zone this is correct - the ball can be well off the field of play if you get both feet down, but the ball must be beyond the front of the goal line.

 

Now for chase that was irrelevant as the ball was above his foot and his foot was in, but if it was in his hand outside the goal line - then no TD spotted just short.

 

Unless something has changed since last year.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I disagree.

 

What happens when the receiver is one one side of the end zone, QB is one the same side of the field and throws it to his outside so only the receiver can catch it. If the receiver  has his feet in the end zone and the ball is thrown outside and the  ball never crosses the end zone that is a TD. Those type of throws happen al the time.

 

The ball is still deeper in the end zone past the goal line.  On a reception the ball must be deeper than the goal line and the player must make the catch and establish possession - exactly the same as anyplace on the field - either sideline and the goal line are the same.

 

It is also why when a catch is made in the middle of the field the ball is marked where the ball was caught not he feet.  The balls forward progress is what marks the line - Same as the end zone - if the ball does not reach the goal line as a player makes the catch - even if the majority of their body is in the end zone - it is spotted short.

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

he’ll be back for the Bills game.

 

No chance.

[Gugny]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

24 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I disagree.

 

What happens when the receiver is one one side of the end zone, QB is one the same side of the field and throws it to his outside so only the receiver can catch it. If the receiver  has his feet in the end zone and the ball is thrown outside and the  ball never crosses the end zone that is a TD. Those type of throws happen al the time.

 

The plane of the goal line extends infinitely in all directions (hence why hitting the pylon counts as a TD even though it is technically out of bounds).

 

In the case of your example, the ball broke the plane, and the WR possessed it while still in bounds. Touchdown.

 

(If Im understanding your scenario correctly)

Edited September 12, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[Buffalo716]

27 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I disagree.

 

What happens when the receiver is one one side of the end zone, QB is one the same side of the field and throws it to his outside so only the receiver can catch it. If the receiver  has his feet in the end zone and the ball is thrown outside and the  ball never crosses the end zone that is a TD. Those type of throws happen al the time.

That is not a TD per nfl rules 

 

ball must cross goal line 

 

You see receivers catch the ball with their feet in the end zone … But hands are in front of the goal line and it’s not considered crossing the plane

Edited September 12, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The plain of the goal line extends infinitely in all directions

 

This is the crux of that particular debate.

Although they have changed it in the past couple years. It used to be that a ball carrier could break that infinite plane outside the pylon, but now it has to be at the pylon or inside.

On a pass play it's always considered to be within the pylons because it's almost impossible for a QB to throw a completed pass where the ball doesn't go over part the pylon. 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

This is the crux of that particular debate.

Although they have changed it in the past couple years. It used to be that a ball carrier could break that infinite plane outside the pylon, but now it has to be at the pylon or inside.

On a pass play it's always considered to be within the pylons because it's almost impossible for a QB to throw a completed pass where the ball doesn't go over part the pylon. 

 

 

I havent seen the bolded change mentioned. Will google for more info. Still infinite as far as I know.

 

To the second part, I'm almost positive Josh has thrown more than 1 of these. At least 1 to Diggs, Davis, and Knox, over the last couple seasons. Receiver's toes on the line, ball way outside, caught, TD.