Von Miller played just 35 snaps vs the Rams

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Von Miller averaged 45 snaps per game last season. 

 

He played for two teams - what was count on each?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

As long as Basham and Epenesa can be productive, then keeping Miller fresh for the playoffs will be helpful. 

[Motorin']

43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

That play showed me something I didn't understand, which is that Miller linebacker-quality straight-ahead footspeed.   There aren't many defensive linemen who run like that. 

 

 

It seemed like the Bills front was utilizing Von on the edge more like a 3-4 OLB. Was he in a 3 point stand much at all? 

 

There were a ton of plays with only 3 down lineman, and some with both DE's standing up on the edge, alot like Fangio's front. 

 

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

I suspect they will typically play Miller between 50-60% of the snaps.   The important seasonal games 55-65% and once we get to the playoffs 60-75% of the snaps.

 

 

About this is what I'd like. My guess is they'll be maybe just a bit higher but not running at what he did with the Rams last year.

 

His salary is guaranteed for three years. They don't want to burn him out early. If possible they'd love to see him here for five years.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

Agreed. I was actually surprised that Von was in there in the 4th quarter. They need to limit his snaps to the bare minimum. We need him in January February 

fify

[BillsFan130]

28 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I highly doubt this will be an issue if his numbers stay as good as they were in game #1.  Arguably a fresher Von later in the season will terrorize opposing o lines.

 

For sure, I hear you.

 

But this was also best case/perfect scenario for him.

 

Crushes his old team. Plays amazing. Team wins.

 

What happens if the bills lose, he only plays 55 percent of snaps, and he doesn't make an impact?
 

That is the picture I am trying to paint.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

That will happen. It does for every player every season.

 

I can't imagine it would be much of a problem. If there's anything Miller has shown over the years it's that once he's signed by a team, he's not a selfish guy. He's all about the team (once he's got a contract).

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

I suspect they will typically play Miller between 50-60% of the snaps.   The important seasonal games 55-65% and once we get to the playoffs 60-75% of the snaps.

He played 67% of the snaps before they sat him for the final series.  That's about what I expect going forward as long as the games are close.

[Punching Bag]

57 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

Stafford isn't a great scrambler by any means, but I was still really impressed with how Basham chased him down on that one play and tackled him on the sidelines a yard behind the line of scrimmage for a sack. All effort.

 

 

And it was an inbound hit.  Stafford should have thrown the ball away but at angle he was at it might not have made it past line of scrimmage.  He is not Josh who can throw the ball from almost any angle.  I am glad he got his ring after suffering for years on Lions.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

It seemed like the Bills front was utilizing Von on the edge more like a 3-4 OLB. Was he in a 3 point stand much at all? 

 

There were a ton of plays with only 3 down lineman, and some with both DE's standing up on the edge, alot like Fangio's front. 

 

He was standing up most of the time, but he pretty much never dropped.   He always rushed, but if the play went away from him and he pursued, he pursued like a linebacker.  

 

I'm pretty sure he said when he came that he likes to play upright, but I also think he's made it clear that he's going to run the plays as they're called.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I noticed he was on the bench in the 4th quarter once the game was in hand. It's smart to limit his snaps if we want him to be fresh for 20 games

 

good catch. Would be good to know what his snap count percentage was in the first 3.5 quarters 

[buffaloboyinATL]

21 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible.

 

Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually.

I don’t think I will. He wants a to be on the field all the time, to impact the outcome of the game, and make headlines. If he can do that AND avoid additional wear and tear, hence extending his career, he will be happy.

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by buffaloboyinATL

[Awwufelloff]

12 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible.

 

Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually.

Would love to keep him fresh for playoff time.

[Warriorspikes51]

Has anyone brought up that the heat may have been another reason to rest him the last few Rams drives?

9 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

It seemed like the Bills front was utilizing Von on the edge more like a 3-4 OLB. Was he in a 3 point stand much at all? 

 

There were a ton of plays with only 3 down lineman, and some with both DE's standing up on the edge, alot like Fangio's front. 

 

I noticed a snap where Greg was lined up way out wide too and won the rep. It’s good to see Leslie open to change and different looks. Obviously it was highly successful

Edited September 11, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[SBbeliever]

12 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Miller needs to be coached that if he plays 50% of the snaps he can essentially play half a season. This will extend his career, which is important. But even more important uses him strategically and efficiently to maximize his output potential.

You must be a politician or lawyer to state so much and really say nothing

[BillsFan130]

28 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I don’t think I will. He wants a to be on he first elf all the time, to impact the outcome of the game, and make headlines. If he can do that AND avoid additional wear and tear, hence extending his career, he will be happy.

I am just going by what he said after the Bills signed him. He clearly stated he wants to be on the field as much as possible.

 

Has his stance changed? I would guess no as he is an ultimate competitor and is used to playing 75 percent plus snaps

[beerme1]

10 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

If this continues, I’d be pissed if I was Miller.  Talent level needs to be factored into the rotation concept.  If not, McD and Frazier are going to have an unhappy player on their hands. 

Let me ask you, did Von Miller look pissed off in his comments after the game?

I didn't think so either.

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

He wants a to be on he first elf all the time, to impact the outcome of the game, and make headlines.

 

[Richard Noggin]

I think most fans see the wisdom in reducing #40's career snap count trends and keeping him fresh all season (and for several seasons more). 

 

I'll share another reason that is pure rumor, but does originate from sources I sort of trust: a partner in the medical practice that does all the Bills screenings/imagings got overserved this summer and started carrying on about what a bad investment Von Miller was based on the condition of his knees. Incredibly unwise of this fairly esteemed doctor to share confidential medical information, and especially unwise to do so for a client like the Buffalo Bills. But the sharing DID happen. Whether it was accurately represented, or embellished, I can't ever know. But this medical expert thought the Bills were foolish to invest long-term in an athlete with such "old" and "deteriorated" knees. Not a lot of cartilage left, apparently.

 

I wonder how many veteran players would be similarly seen as high-risk based on their medicals? Maybe most of them?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I’m torn. A guy like Von Miller should see more than 50% of snaps. I believe in keeping your elite players on the field especially during the really important games. I guess it worked out in this case, but I really want him out there at least 75% especially against some of the later games like the Chiefs or Bengals. I guess things like age factor in and getting acclimated to a new team. Hopefully his reps increase a little bit more and I bet he feels the same way. This is my unpopular opinion.

[LyndonvilleBill]

I believe the Bills use a lot of analytics,  so they probably have a snap count based upon age, size etc. I'd probably look at more of a snap count than a %. Hughes was never used more that 66%(46-50 snaps).

 

With the extra game, depending on the team we play (pass vs running team) and planning for a SB, I would venture a guess of 40-45 snaps a game average. But, hey, just a guess on my part.😁

[DCofNC]

20 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I noticed he was on the bench in the 4th quarter once the game was in hand. It's smart to limit his snaps if we want him to be fresh for 20 games

This is exactly why he was at 50%, he sat virtually the entire 4th.

[boyst]

8 hours ago, SBbeliever said:

You must be a politician or lawyer to state so much and really say nothing

What part of my statements do you need broken down? 

[YattaOkasan]

19 hours ago, costrovs said:

I'm surprised no one mentioned it, but I believe the heat had something to do with the low snap count also. The TV announcers mentioned the heat and the way the bills were rotating players. 

Their performance in the heat was a great indicator for week 3. I was worried about the heat for that game but looks like they will be fully prepared.

 

I’ll go say 4 hail seans 3 our beanes to make up for doubting they would be ready for the heat in week 3. 

[filthymcnasty08]

Chef's kiss to the coaches for doing so.  Don't need him in blowouts only to catch a dirty block to the knees.  This is the way we will have him with gas in the tank come playoff run. 

 

Wait until this man comes out of the tunnel to the home crowd next Monday...

 

 

[ArtVandalay]

Bruce Smith's 19 sack single season record is going to be at risk this season. 

 

Allen puts us up and forces the other teams to pass often, Miller's sack opportunities are going to be more than any other year of his career.

 

If he picks up a 4-5 sack day vs a bad team like the Jets I think he hits 20.

[AuntieEm]

21 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Miller needs to be coached that if he plays 50% of the snaps he can essentially play half a season. This will extend his career, which is important. But even more important uses him strategically and efficiently to maximize his output potential.

 

  I don't get the impression he will need to be coached to realize he's gonna benefit from the rotation we employ.  I think his statements on wanting to be on the field just was his way of saying he isn't looking to be a passenger but be a part of the reason the Bills get the Lombardi.  He's aware he's got a shot to at least challenge the sack record Bruce holds, but it means von has to play well for a number of years yet.  Don't know if I want to see any player break Smith's record for sacks, but I know I'd rather it be a player that did get a healthy percentage of his stats as a Bill.

 

  Miller is chasing his place in nfl history.  He wants to be first to win 3 SB with 3 different teams.  Be awfully nice to get into the top 5 all time sack leaders.  Since he signed for a number of years which coincide with what appears to be the start of a new winning era for the franchise, it is feasible he could challenge for 2nd place total number of sb wins and get 5 rings,   3 coming as a Buffalo Bill making the choice to be inducted to HOF as a Bill, as he then transitions to joining Brandon Beanes staff. And he eventually becomes Bills GM at some future time to get more SB rings with the Bills. 

 

 

   I mean if I am going to take the time to imagine some future scenario it's gonna be the one I described not some picture of a disgruntled aging star crying over playing time.  But that's just me.  I try to use my imagination in positive ways.  

 

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by AuntieEm

[AuntieEm]

36 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Bruce Smith's 19 sack single season record is going to be at risk this season. 

 

Allen puts us up and forces the other teams to pass often, Miller's sack opportunities are going to be more than any other year of his career.

 

If he picks up a 4-5 sack day vs a bad team like the Jets I think he hits 20.

 

Didn't even think of the single season record.   But let him aim to hit 23 to retake the nfl single season record to be held again by a Buffalo Bill.  

[Kmart128]

Good. Keep him healthy and fresh. A 33 year old in an 18 week regular season can take a toll on his body. The more we keep his snap count low now the better he will be come playoff time

[SCBills]

22 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I noticed he was on the bench in the 4th quarter once the game was in hand. It's smart to limit his snaps if we want him to be fresh for 20 games

LOVED Von’s usage… keep the dude fresh so he’s a monster in the postseason and gives us (at least) those three guarantee contract years of dominance.  
 

I have to imagine if he’s getting a sack or two per game, that very much helps the coaches convince him to only play 50-55% of snaps per game in the regular season.  
 

Now just stop running Allen in a blowout regular season game and we’re cooking with gas in terms of player preservation. 

[bmur66]

22 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible.

 

Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually.

I don’t know. I kinda like the idea of a pissed off Von Miller 🐆

[John from Riverside]

I was not surprised at all by Vons production he is still a great player the fact that he’s only on the field for 52% of the snaps is also awesome because it will lengthen his productivity

[y2zipper]

Von is here for the postseason. I don't care what he does in games 1-17.

[Sierra Foothills]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I was not surprised at all by Vons production he is still a great player the fact that he’s only on the field for 52% of the snaps is also awesome because it will lengthen his productivity

 

Those people who were skeptical of how much Von Miller has left in the tank apparently missed his 8 regular season games with the Rams when he had 5 sacks, 12 tackles for loss and 8 QB hits or his 4 playoff games where he had 4 sacks, 6 tackles for loss and 6 QB hits.

 

There were no indications that Miller was hitting any kind of a career wall last year.

 

It's weird that some people assumed he was winding down.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 9/10/2022 at 12:16 PM, BillsFan130 said:

Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible.

 

Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually.

 

I think Miller isn't stupid.  He's seen what the Bills have done on their D line the past couple of seasons with rotating everyone in an out.  He likely wouldn't have signed here if that was an issue for him.  Conversely he may realize himself at his age, playing less isn't a terrible idea.

 

I do wonder though how many snaps would McD and Frazier give to Bruce Smith if he were on this team in his prime?

[3rdand12]

On 9/10/2022 at 12:16 PM, BillsFan130 said:

Let's just hope this doesn't piss Von off As he was pretty clear that he wants to be on the field as much as possible.

 

Although, it's only week 1 so I'm betting he slowly ramps up to 65-70 percent eventually.

He seems to enjoy doing cheerleading from the sidelines pretty well ( just watched Mic'd up LOL

2 hours ago, y2zipper said:

Von is here for the postseason. I don't care what he does in games 1-17.

But he is a super competitor , so he does.
:)

[Augie]

5 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Good. Keep him healthy and fresh. A 33 year old in an 18 week regular season can take a toll on his body. The more we keep his snap count low now the better he will be come playoff time

 

We did not sign him to get us TO the playoffs. We signed him to get us THRU the playoffs……to the trophy. I like it, save yourself for when it REALLY matters. 

 

It felt to me like he was out there more than 52%. I’m sure going back to play his old team in LA he wanted to see a lot of action. I’m glad he made as much noise as he did in so few opportunities. 

 

 

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Edited September 11, 2022 by Augie