Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Ohhh.   You're of the thought that Baltimore should move on.  Now it makes sense.

 

By "same boat" I just mean that neither guy has won a Super Bowl.  Buffalo has done a terrific job building this team.  Baltimore, not so much.

 

What's Lamar working with?  His WR corps consist of Reshod Bateman, Devin Duevernay and James Proche II.  

 

A change of scenery might be best for both parties.

 

I don't care what they do.  If he stays it's of little consequence for the Bills.  It's very clear they won't give him his asking price this year.

 

As for "what's he working with?", multiple posters have said that the Ravens have specifically built a roster around his skill set.  Sure they should have kept Hollywood, I guess (a guy with 6 career games over 100 yards).  Who did they have when Jackson was MVP?  Andrews is their best receiver ever year.  

 

Look it's clear that Jackson is "betting on himself"--that he will come back this year and lead his team deep into the playoffs--forcing a massive contract at the end of the season.  There's really no reason to believe that the team truly low-balled him.  He really seems to have an opinion of his talent (worth, say, top 3 money) that is different from that of the FO.  No one is going to be handing out Watson contracts (because that was dumb for many reasons) and he can't be paid like Josh Allen or Mahomes...because no one thinks he has that kind of game or will bring similar results.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Well at least he is betting on himself, he wont have anyone to blame if it doesn't work out. This is nothing but a good story for us to follow b.c it's a win/win for us.

[LeGOATski]

Jackson's gonna get paid either way. More power to him. I'm sure the Ravens hope he'd want to stick with the team on a realistic deal, but apparently he doesn't give a *****. I have no feelings about it either way. It's just a different mindset than most QBs/agents who approach such a deal.

[BillsFanSD]

I like Lamar Jackson and he's one of the more fun guys to watch.  Fingers crossed for good health this season, followed by a big contract signing with an NFC team.

 

Interesting looking back at the 2018 QB class.  Say what you will about the players involved -- the jury is still out on Mayfield and maybe Lamar kind of -- but really only team got the savior they were looking for.

[davefan66]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

But that doesn’t mean he can’t win.  Who’d you rather have, burrow or Allen mahomes, Rodgers?  Stafford or allen, mahomes or Rodgers? 

 

I wouldn’t take burrow of stafford over allen, burrow, or Rodgers…. But they were the guys playing for the SB.  They won games with the season on the line.  Did you see mahomes and Rodgers play in the 2nd half of their season ending games?  Season on the line….not just game on the line.  Many QBs are capable of winning the SB without being considered elite. 

Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, I get it.  I get Lamar is a cog in the Ravens system.  I respect him as a player, he definitely has skills.  I don’t respect his QB play versus others.  I’d rather have Josh, or any of the other top 5 who consistently will be in the running in the playoffs.

[Doc]

Franchise him after the season and look to draft his replacement.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

$100 mil guaranteed (mentioned on NFLN) 

and he said no.  
 

I’m still laughing 

 

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offer with $133 million fully guaranteed at signing 

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Sources: Lamar Jackson rejected a Ravens' 6-yr contract offer with $133 million fully guaranteed at signing, which is more than Russell Wilson ($124 million) and Kyler Murray ($103.3 million) but well short of the $230 million fully guaranteed deal that Deshaun Watson got

 

7 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, I get it.  I get Lamar is a cog in the Ravens system.  I respect him as a player, he definitely has skills.  I don’t respect his QB play versus others.  I’d rather have Josh, or any of the other top 5 who consistently will be in the running in the playoffs.

BINGO

Edited September 11, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Don Otreply]

Greed is as greed does, they offered him a more than fair deal, especially for what he brings to the table as a QB. That FO is not going to do a fully guaranteed contract, just not gonna happen. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him walk at some point going forward.  
 

I do like when there is turmoil on opposing teams, it’s good for us.

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

Franchise him after the season and look to draft his replacement.

 

Let me add, "and look to trade him."

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Jackson's gonna get paid either way. More power to him. I'm sure the Ravens hope he'd want to stick with the team on a realistic deal, but apparently he doesn't give a *****. I have no feelings about it either way. It's just a different mindset than most QBs/agents who approach such a deal.

 

It’s a selfish mindset.

 

Players have the right to have a selfish mindset, but let’s call a spade a spade.

[Ta111]

13 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Greed is as greed does, they offered him a more than fair deal, especially for what he brings to the table as a QB. That FO is not going to do a fully guaranteed contract, just not gonna happen. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him walk at some point going forward.  
 

I do like when there is turmoil on opposing teams, it’s good for us.

Old saying we have in the legal field-he who represents himself has a fool for a client. 

[LeGOATski]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s a selfish mindset.

 

Players have the right to have a selfish mindset, but let’s call a spade a spade.

At this level of fame and fortune, what does "selfish" even mean? Where is that line drawn when you have billion $$ organisations throwing around millions left and right?

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

At this level of fame and fortune, what does "selfish" even mean? Where is that line drawn when you have billion $$ organisations throwing around millions left and right?

 

For me, the line of selfishness is when you can’t see that the contract you want will negatively impact your teams chances of competing for a Super Bowl. 

 

Turning down almost $300 Million? Oofta. I’m glad we have Allen.

[sullim4]

Fully guaranteed is bonkers.  Watson got that deal because he was dealing with an inept franchise and because of his legal problems.

 

Jackson understands that, right?

[CaliBills]

If he tears and ACL or breaks an ankle this year then that 133 million guaranteed will be a LOT harder to get since he will have to prove that worth again after injury.  Just an opinion of course. 

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I don't care what they do.  If he stays it's of little consequence for the Bills.  It's very clear they won't give him his asking price this year.

 

As for "what's he working with?", multiple posters have said that the Ravens have specifically built a roster around his skill set.  Sure they should have kept Hollywood, I guess (a guy with 6 career games over 100 yards).  Who did they have when Jackson was MVP?  Andrews is their best receiver ever year.  

 

Look it's clear that Jackson is "betting on himself"--that he will come back this year and lead his team deep into the playoffs--forcing a massive contract at the end of the season.  There's really no reason to believe that the team truly low-balled him.  He really seems to have an opinion of his talent (worth, say, top 3 money) that is different from that of the FO.  No one is going to be handing out Watson contracts (because that was dumb for many reasons) and he can't be paid like Josh Allen or Mahomes...because no one thinks he has that kind of game or will bring similar results.  

 

We differ there as well then.  He'll get at least what Allen got.  If not from Baltimore, then from some other team.

 

MVP season wideouts:  Brown, Snead and Seth Roberts, Boykin and of course Andrews at tight end. 

 

Futher proving my point.  WTF is Baltimore doing?  Pickens would have been a phenomenal addition for them in the draft.  Instead the Steelers nab him and the Ravens sit on their hands.

Edited September 11, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Big Turk]

Pretty obvious the Ravens don't view him as a long term solution or are unsure of him still to offer that little in guarantees considering what Murray just got. Throwing out the Watson deal since that's an outlier but Murray got $189 guaranteed and he hasn't done anything close to what Jackson has 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Big Turk

[Perry Turtle]

13 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

I think it’s pretty well accepted that the Ravens are a very well run franchise. I like Lamar, I enjoy what he brings to the game and I know he’s going to get paid but he’s not getting a fully guaranteed contract.

 

They are “sitting around” because they don’t believe Lamar has what it takes to get them to the SB and they aren’t going to lock themselves into a QB who they aren’t all in on for the next 5-7 years. Instead, they have 3 more years of Lamar if they want it using the franchise tag after this season.

 

If they believed in Lamar, they would have locked him up at the same time we did Josh. But they didn’t, so they waited to see how Lamar did and he regressed. You can blame the injuries last year, but as good as Lamar is he has hit his ceiling and has not shown significant improvement from year to year. He’s limited as a passer and the Ravens know as soon as he slows down the rushing, he’s an above average QB at best.

 

 

So this well-run franchise has built their entire franchise around a QB that they don't believe in?

 

The Ravens don't have legit receivers or legit running backs.  They have a legit TE and Jackson, but that's it.  That's well-run?

 

I remember thinking how the Bills were such a well run organization when they had Tyrod Taylor as their QB.

 

The Ravens are making a bet here they are destined to lose.  If Jackson is a mediocre as many claim, there is nothing on that roster that saves their season.  The roster beyond Jackson was poor last season, and it's gotten worse this year.

 

If Jackson proves to be better than everyone believes, the Ravens have Flacco-d themselves, again, because Jackson's price will be much more expensive than if they extended him last year.

 

Well-run franchises don't take years to commit to players (and in the Ravens case, their roster-build has already committed to Jackson).  Well-run franchises don't wait around and let the market determine the value of their players.

 

Well-run franchises determine their plan, commit to the plan, and stay ahead of the league in executing their plan.

[SCBills]

If Lamar turned down a 6yr / $290M contract with $133M guaranteed, on the reports that Jackson wants a fully guaranteed Watson deal… yikes. 
 

Ravens are in a really tough spot here.  

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Perry Turtle said:

So this well-run franchise has built their entire franchise around a QB that they don't believe in?

 

The Ravens don't have legit receivers or legit running backs.  They have a legit TE and Jackson, but that's it.  That's well-run?

 

I remember thinking how the Bills were such a well run organization when they had Tyrod Taylor as their QB.

 

The Ravens are making a bet here they are destined to lose.  If Jackson is a mediocre as many claim, there is nothing on that roster that saves their season.  The roster beyond Jackson was poor last season, and it's gotten worse this year.

 

If Jackson proves to be better than everyone believes, the Ravens have Flacco-d themselves, again, because Jackson's price will be much more expensive than if they extended him last year.

 

Well-run franchises don't take years to commit to players (and in the Ravens case, their roster-build has already committed to Jackson).  Well-run franchises don't wait around and let the market determine the value of their players.

 

Well-run franchises determine their plan, commit to the plan, and stay ahead of the league in executing their plan.

one might argue that having a value and terms you won’t exceed is perhaps well running. 
 

I’ll again echo- the biggest variable in these negotiations is that Lamar is doing it himself. Until shown otherwise, that’s got to be the first suspicion for why it’s not done. 

[BillsFan4]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

$100 mil guaranteed (mentioned on NFLN) 

and he said no.  
 

I’m still laughing 

 

Is even funnier 

 

BINGO

He can make $100 million guaranteed just playing on the franchise tag the next 2 seasons (after this one). So, about the same amount of guaranteed money in half the time.

 

Yeah it’s a risk. But it worked out pretty well for Cozens and I’d say Lamar is the better overall player. I can respect Lamar for being confident in his abilities and being willing to put his money where his mouth is.

 

but it’s definitely a risk.

 

Im sure glad we have Josh Allen. And I’m glad his #1 priority wasn’t just being the highest paid QB.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Pretty obvious the Ravens don't view him as a long term solution or are unsure of him still to offer that little in guarantees considering what Murray just got. Throwing out the Watson deal since that's an outlier but Murray got $189 guaranteed and he hasn't done anything close to what Jackson has 

Murray has missed 2 games the last 3 seasons, Lamar has missed 7, including 5 last season.  The best ability is availability.  

Edited September 11, 2022 by Albany,n.y.

[Big Turk]

Just now, Albany,n.y. said:

Murray has missed 2 games the last 3 seasons, Lamar has missed 7, including 5 last season.  The best ability is availability.  

 

The best ability is not wilting like a flower on a 120 degree day in the playoffs like Murray did

[Albany,n.y.]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The best ability is not wilting like a flower on a 120 degree day in the playoffs like Murray did

Taron Johnson 

[wjag]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

If Lamar turned down a 6yr / $290M contract with $133M guaranteed, on the reports that Jackson wants a fully guaranteed Watson deal… yikes. 
 

Ravens are in a really tough spot here.  

 

Really amazing to me.  How does someone look at 133M guaranteed and say to themselves, that's not enough?  As someone who goes through my life spending tens and twenties, this number numbs me.  Especially when you consider the risk.  He is playing in a dangerous sport that can end your career on a single play.

[eball]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

If Lamar turned down a 6yr / $290M contract with $133M guaranteed, on the reports that Jackson wants a fully guaranteed Watson deal… yikes. 
 

Ravens are in a really tough spot here.  

 

7 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

Really amazing to me.  How does someone look at 133M guaranteed and say to themselves, that's not enough?  As someone who goes through my life spending tens and twenties, this number numbs me.  Especially when you consider the risk.  He is playing in a dangerous sport that can end your career on a single play.

 

And this is the crux of why Lamar not having an agent will crush both he and the Ravens.  Lamar needs the Ravens and their dedication to designing the offense solely around him, and the Ravens need Lamar because otherwise they are starting over.

 

An agent would talk some sense into Lamar.  This is actually sad.

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

We differ there as well then.  He'll get at least what Allen got.  If not from Baltimore, then from some other team.

 

MVP season wideouts:  Brown, Snead and Seth Roberts, Boykin and of course Andrews at tight end. 

 

Futher proving my point.  WTF is Baltimore doing?  Pickens would have been a phenomenal addition for them in the draft.  Instead the Steelers nab him and the Ravens sit on their hands.

 

Andrews is solid, Brown decent.  He was an MVP with that crew, not close since (both were on the team last year for Jackson's 12 starts).  I don't know why they got rid of Brown, but it wouldn't have changed much.  They don't depend on a top passing game. 

 

I don't know how else to say it except it's clear that the Ravens are going to make him prove he deserves his ask.  He was offered 50 million a year for 5 with 133 million up front---that's more than Josh is getting paid per year.  He should have jumped on that--it's a gift.

 

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Mr. WEO

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I was just going to post an article on this.  If this is true then Jackson is an idiot.

[sullim4]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

An agent would talk some sense into Lamar.  This is actually sad.

 

100% agree with this.  Agents could get him deals on the side with sponsors that would more than make up for any loss in guaranteed money.

 

Who is Pepsi or State Farm gonna call if they want Lamar in their commercials?  His mom?

[ToGoGo]

Let's all convince ourselves getting less than a 10 on a Wonderlic doesn't mean anything. 

 

Lamar will be remembered as a great runner who went to an amazing franchise who built the team around his limited abilities perfectly.

 

He'll also be remembered as a dumbass. 

[BuffaloBill]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

If Lamar turned down a 6yr / $290M contract with $133M guaranteed, on the reports that Jackson wants a fully guaranteed Watson deal… yikes. 
 

Ravens are in a really tough spot here.  

 

 

If the ask is true, Jackson will probably get a boatload guaranteed from someone eventually.  The Watson deal was stupid and If I was an owner I would be fuming over what the Browns did.  The “market” will eventually settle back to a norm but Jackson now has something to hold over the Ravens head and he is doing it.

[HappyDays]

He turned down money that would have had his great-great-grandchildren set for life. Just crazy.

[BillsShredder83]

On 9/9/2022 at 11:13 AM, Rochesterfan said:

 

I imagine the Ravens will block that by tagging him one or two more years - Ala Kirk Cousins.

 

Then they can even look to move him for a premium of picks.

 

I don’t think Lamar really sees FA at this time - they will use him up and then move on.

 

 

This is the smartest play by them. That FO is smsrt enough to know he ain't winning nothing in post season, 2 years of a tag and he'll be on decline. 

I'd trade him after this season. Good play by this team

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

If the ask is true, Jackson will probably get a boatload guaranteed from someone eventually.  The Watson deal was stupid and If I was an owner I would be fuming over what the Browns did.  The “market” will eventually settle back to a norm but Jackson now has something to hold over the Ravens head and he is doing it.

 

No one is going to give him 230+ guarantee next year unless he leads them to a SB win this year.  He has no leverage here.

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

He was offered 50 million a year for 5 with 133 million up front---that's more than Josh is getting paid per year.  He should have jumped on that--it's a gift.

 

 

 

This I hadn't heard.  Yes, he should have jumped on that.

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

If Lamar turned down a 6yr / $290M contract with $133M guaranteed, on the reports that Jackson wants a fully guaranteed Watson deal… yikes. 
 

Ravens are in a really tough spot here.  

Not really, they can tag him, while they make moves to moves on from him, max three years and they are back in the thick of things, in all reality,  what team wants him on the roster in five or six years? he isn’t any teams QB of the future. Unless he becomes a noticeably above average passer, what’s odds that happens? 

[Bills2022]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

If the ask is true, Jackson will probably get a boatload guaranteed from someone eventually.  The Watson deal was stupid and If I was an owner I would be fuming over what the Browns did.  The “market” will eventually settle back to a norm but Jackson now has something to hold over the Ravens head and he is doing it.

 

Doubtful.  Watson is a top tier QB.  Not a doubt in my mind that Watson could go throw for throw with the elite QB's like Mahomes, Allen, and Rodgers.  Jackson will never be able to do what Watson can do.  

 

Jackson really should get an agent and take the deal the Ravens put on the table.  That is a great deal.  

 

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

For me, the line of selfishness is when you can’t see that the contract you want will negatively impact your teams chances of competing for a Super Bowl. 

 

Turning down almost $300 Million? Oofta. I’m glad we have Allen.

I'm glad Buffalo has a guy who's content and loyal to the team, but if I was a confidant to Lamar, I could not in good conscience advise him to be loyal to his team if he doesn't honestly feel that way. We don't know his true  situation or relationship to the team and staff. There's a huge pie being served to these highly profitable organisations and he should be getting the biggest piece he can. Who are we to judge.

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

if I was a confidant to Lamar, I could not in good conscience advise him to be loyal to his team if he doesn't honestly feel that way. 

 

Where does it end? At what point?

 

If you were a confidant to Lamar and the team offered him $1 BILLION, you would advise him to not take it if he doesn’t feel that way?

 

Not sure I understand this world where wise decisions are made on how we feel.