extrahammer Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I understand Kupp has the triple crown, but I also think he's a product of the system in LA.  I think on every layer of skill and talent, Diggs is better than him. 😈  #burnitall 6 7 2 4 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 My dad is stronger than your dad too 1 1 24 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Great analysis! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Taro Nimbus said: Great analysis!  Sorry for being so in-depth, just needed to get that off my chest! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Â 1 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YattaOkasan Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Said it in another thread but I think Diggs is the best outside WR in the league. He gets more production than anyone on the outside than anyone. Wonder if that will continue with Dorsey, but if he got free releases from the slot he could continue to be deadly (e.g. him shaking Jamal Adams out of his jock in 2020) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Yes, and? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 28 minutes ago, extrahammer said: I understand Kupp has the triple crown, but I also think he's a product of the system in LA.  I think on every layer of skill and talent, Diggs is better than him. 😈  #burnitall False but Diggs is almost as good... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: False but Diggs is almost as good... Sir, you're out of line. Edited September 7, 2022 by extrahammer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, extrahammer said: Sir, you're out of line. I will have to write a strongly worded letter to his parents! How dare he! I never! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Not taking anything away from Kupp because he's awesome, but the system Cooper's in with Stafford as his QB is absolutely perfect for his skill set. Hence the production.  1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 You know nothing of Tuco…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Kupp needs to prove it again this year. But recency bias is strong! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Suffering Fan Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, extrahammer said: I understand Kupp has the triple crown, but I also think he's a product of the system in LA.  I think on every layer of skill and talent, Diggs is better than him. 😈  #burnitall  I've not watched Kupp enough to honestly rate him, so it is hard for me to agree or disagree, but I can say this:  Diggs has a remarkable ability to gain separation. He runs amazing routes, has great hands, great body control, good speed, and great short area quickness. He's the best WR Buffalo has had since Reed. He may be better than Reed. In the 90s we had much less access to camera work where you could see individual routes so it is hard to tell.  I was a huge fan of Moulds - a man among boys - so (for me) that is saying a lot.  2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Took Kupp in the 1st passed on Diggs in the 2nd just sayin. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, extrahammer said: I understand Kupp has the triple crown, but I also think he's a product of the system in LA.  I think on every layer of skill and talent, Diggs is better than him. 😈  #burnitall and Diggs isn't helped by Allen and Bills system? Edited September 7, 2022 by nucci 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, nucci said: and Diggs isn't helped by Allen?  Diggs has had 4 1,000 yard seasons, including transferring systems and quarterbacks.  Is he helped by Allen? Sure.  Is he a product of the system? No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Does it really matter? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Well actions speak louder than words i hope he shows us all that he is in fact the better of the 2 !! especially this Thursday !!!! GO BILLSÂ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Oook, Diggs is a great player, but he’s a product of Josh Allen, he’s never come close to the numbers he has without Allen and the guy who replaced him has been better in his first two years than Diggs is now, with Kirk Cousins throwing him the ball, so let’s just calm down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 For the record, I think Hill, Adams, Deebo, Jefferson, Waddle and CeeDee Lamb are better than both.  2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 So I think Cooper Kupp has deserved to be recognised as a top 1/2 receiver in the NFL. I don't believe he is a "product" of the LA system so much but it definitely plays to his strengths. I will say this.... I think Diggs would do better playing Kupp's role in LA than Kupp would do playing Diggs' role here. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I bet if Diggs had the triple crown, the takes on this board would be his is number 1 hands down, not open for discussion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 what is "the system in LA"?  Kupp averaged 1070 per year the last 2 years of Goff, then Stafford came in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I think Cooper Kupp has deserved to be recognised as a top 1/2 receiver in the NFL. I don't believe he is a "product" of the LA system so much but it definitely plays to his strengths. I will say this.... I think Diggs would do better playing Kupp's role in LA than Kupp would do playing Diggs' role here. Kupp is the GOAT WR cementing his legacy like Josh Allen is at QB...there is NO comparison. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Put Kupp on the outside and Diggs at slot. Then compare... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: what is "the system in LA"?  Kupp averaged 1070 per year the last 2 years of Goff, then Stafford came in.  It is a Shanahan offense that operates a hybrid west coast offense off of the stretch zone run game and accentuates "slot" receivers and generates production from them outside by using them by running lots of horizontal routes in the short passing game and providing opportunities for significant YAC. He is absolutely the perfect player for that role. But he very rarely runs downfield routes on the outside. His deep routes are most commonly post routes from the slot. I am not trying to knock him for that. When you have someone as good as Kupp at what he does why would you ask him to do the stuff he does less well? It wouldn't make sense. That is why they went and got OBJ and then Allen Robinson to give them more of a vertical threat outside. I don't think the scheme makes the player. But I do think the scheme and player are an absolute perfect marriage. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Grizzly Adams did have a beard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: You know nothing of Tuco…, Perhaps, but the cantina on the corner has a Nacho to die for… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I remember my first beer. Â Â Â 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I think we should be very weary comparing an exclusive slot receiver to an exclusive X receiver. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsBytheBay said: I think we should be very weary comparing an exclusive slot receiver to an exclusive X receiver.  So neither is exclusive. Diggs is about 80/20 an outside receiver. Kupp is about 65/35 a slot receiver. Neither are quite "exclusive". But your general point is a good one that they are really not asked to do much of the same stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Allen is better than Stafford, the end. Edited September 7, 2022 by chris heff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Reading the responses to this thread reminds me that we were a terrible franchise for many years. It's why so many posters on TSW think that players on other teams are automatically better than Bills players. It's reverse homerism and it's a coping mechanism that we all developed to get through the lean years. I think that we have a few posters on this board that would trade our roster for the Jets roster because they have "better depth." We have posters here that defend Brady ON A BILLS MESSAGE BOARD. Yeah, Tom Brady is objectively the greatest to ever do it, but I'm a Bills fan so F that dude. Is Diggs better than CK? Probably not, but Diggs is our guy so I'll ride with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Bandito said: Not based on facts and statistics. Everyone has an opinion but.... Actually statistically Diggs is better than him in virtually every category.  6 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Is Diggs better than CK? Probably not, but Diggs is our guy so I'll ride with him.  No he definitely is. Kupp had one great season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Reading the responses to this thread reminds me that we were a terrible franchise for many years. It's why so many posters on TSW think that players on other teams are automatically better than Bills players. It's reverse homerism and it's a coping mechanism that we all developed to get through the lean years. I think that we have a few posters on this board that would trade our roster for the Jets roster because they have "better depth." We have posters here that defend Brady ON A BILLS MESSAGE BOARD. Yeah, Tom Brady is objectively the greatest to ever do it, but I'm a Bills fan so F that dude. Is Diggs better than CK? Probably not, but Diggs is our guy so I'll ride with him.   I love Diggs. I want him on no other team.  However, Kupp had 145 receptions last year for 1,947 yards and 16 TDs. Those are whorish figures that you get, not even from just training and hard work, but deals made with people in darkened rooms working with dolls, needles, and "soups" consisting of eye of newt and wolfbane.  I want you, any of you, to stand up and tell me...neigh, put money on the table that our God fearing receiver who we all know and love is going to go for MORE THAN 145, 1,947 and 16...let's say 150, 2,000, and 17, this year.  Anyone...Beuller?  Diggs is outstanding and an all pro. He is close to Kupp. He is not better than Kupp.  Now, may I please just go back to working on my own incantations and brew associated with tomorrow's game, and some cranial hair growth remedies, please?!        Edited September 7, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I mean it's a little pointless to definitively say one is better than the other considering they don't really play from the same spot at WR consistently.   That being said, Kupp put up what was one of the greatest seasons the NFL has seen from a WR last year, so it's going to be a hard sell to say anyone in the NFL is unquestionably better than him right now.   If they switched places last year, it's a lot harder to say DIggs for sure has the same season or better than Kupp did in LA than it is to say Kupp for sure has the same season or better in Buffalo than Diggs did. And that's simply because the season Kupp had statistically is among the all time greatest seasons and just a harder achievement, where as Diggs season was just a season any good WR could achieve statistically.  But end of the day, these 2 guys are both unquestionably top 5 in the NFL, who is ahead or behind the other in that top 5 is pretty irrelevant.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:   I love Diggs. I want him on no other team.  However, Kupp had 145 receptions last year for 1,947 yards and 16 TDs. Those are whorish figures that you get, not even from just training and hard work, but deals made with people in darkened rooms working with dolls, needles, and "soups" consisting of eye of newt and wolfbane.  I want you, any of you, to stand up and tell me...neigh, put money on the table that our God fearing receiver who we all know and love is going to go for MORE THAN 145, 1,947 and 16...let's say 150, 2,000, and 17, this year.  Anyone...Beuller?  Diggs is outstanding and an all pro. He is close to Kupp. He is not better than Kupp.  Now, may I please just go back to working on my own incantations and brew associated with tomorrow's game, and some cranial hair growth remedies, please?!        He won't have 1900 yards in a season again. Diggs is better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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