Stefon Diggs is better than Cooper Kupp

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

He won't have 1900 yards in a season again. Diggs is better. 

 

 

You get a trophy from me, Hamma, because of your enthusiasm and confidence.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

I put Digs and Cupp on that same high tier with Hill. All 3 are different players. but to argue one is better than another... well... there are arguments for and against each side of this and to be honest OP? i think this is a dumb statement to make.  Diggs will always be My #1. I am bias but I am also a realist. 

 

get real.

[extrahammer]

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

You get a trophy from me, Hamma, because of your enthusiasm and confidence.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

 

 

Thank you kind sir. But I would also like to remind you Diggs has had 4 1,000 yard seasons in a row. Kupp has zero 1,000 yard seasons in a row and has only had one other 1,000 yard season in his career. With Robinson there, he will be targeted much less. Go Bills!!!

[GoBills808]

Kupp is a better fit in that offense as of now

[dollars 2 donuts]

7 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

Thank you kind sir. But I would also like to remind you Diggs has had 4 1,000 yard seasons in a row. Kupp has zero 1,000 yard seasons in a row and has only had one other 1,000 yard season in his career. With Robinson there, he will be targeted much less. Go Bills!!!

 

 

YOU are under the misguided assumption that I DON'T go back and check stats!  Let me assure you I do!  😜

 

...Diggs IS so freaking, awesome.  I was reminded by looking through his numbers.

 

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!

 

EDIT:  @extrahammer Diggs will get to 1,000 receptions as a Bill.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Put Kupp on the outside and Diggs at slot.  Then compare...

Kupp can legit play anywhere...Doesn't matter same results.

[Sherlock Holmes]

26 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

He won't have 1900 yards in a season again. Diggs is better. 

You're right, he'll have 2000 yard seasons from now on...🤣

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Great analysis! 

And to think I almost didn’t click on this thread for fear that it would be one of those Next Gen stats-heavy analytical deep dives. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is a Shanahan offense that operates a hybrid west coast offense off of the stretch zone run game and accentuates "slot" receivers and generates production from them outside by using them by running lots of horizontal routes in the short passing game and providing opportunities for significant YAC. He is absolutely the perfect player for that role. But he very rarely runs downfield routes on the outside. His deep routes are most commonly post routes from the slot. I am not trying to knock him for that. When you have someone as good as Kupp at what he does why would you ask him to do the stuff he does less well? It wouldn't make sense. That is why they went and got OBJ and then Allen Robinson to give them more of a vertical threat outside. I don't think the scheme makes the player. But I do think the scheme and player are an absolute perfect marriage. 

 

I think he would have the same or similar yardage in Buffalo, where they aren't sending a lot of guys on fly routes.   Diggs isn't a big YAC or YPC guy either.  Kupp catches everything and is great route runner.  Sure Shanahan gave him nearly 200 targets.  Any team with a solid QB would use him this way--especially with you only have 1 other threat out there (first Woods, then OBJ), maybe 2 (Jefferson).  Kupp was 2nd in yards before reception to Jefferson, ahead of woods and OBJ). He did lead the WR in YAC by a small margin.  It does seem that the addition of Stafford changed the way Kupp was used.  He got a lot more targets, despite the Rams having similar number of pass attempts the year before with Goff.   May also have been a function of Woods being out.  

 

He's fast with great hands.

1 hour ago, extrahammer said:

He won't have 1900 yards in a season again. Diggs is better. 

 

Better than the guy who replaced in Minny?

[HamSandwhich]

3 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Took Kupp in the 1st passed on Diggs in the 2nd just sayin. 

Who’d you take over Diggs in the 2nd? That seems a bit nuts.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I think he would have the same or similar yardage in Buffalo

 

I disagree with that. In San Fran with a decent QB, sure. In Green Bay, definitely. But he is a WCO guy. An exceptional one, but to put up those sort of numbers he needs to be in a WCO. He'd still be good in Buffalo, because he is a great route runner, has decent speed and good hands. But in LA it is the perfect talent and scheme marriage and that is how you get the maximum out of him. 

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, BillsBytheBay said:

I think we should be very weary comparing an exclusive slot receiver to an exclusive X receiver.

 

Yeah it's only 3 pages but we're definitely weary.

[Rico]

Kupp is pretty good for a HMLP WR, but I’ll take Diggs over him every time.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, extrahammer said:

I understand Kupp has the triple crown, but I also think he's a product of the system in LA.

 

I think on every layer of skill and talent, Diggs is better than him. 😈

 

#burnitall

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

31 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

 

 

Kupp in there.  Evans out.

[Warcodered]

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So neither is exclusive. Diggs is about 80/20 an outside receiver. Kupp is about 65/35 a slot receiver. Neither are quite "exclusive". But your general point is a good one that they are really not asked to do much of the same stuff. 

False... 35% of the time, every time he has to do what Diggs does.

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree with that. In San Fran with a decent QB, sure. In Green Bay, definitely. But he is a WCO guy. An exceptional one, but to put up those sort of numbers he needs to be in a WCO. He'd still be good in Buffalo, because he is a great route runner, has decent speed and good hands. But in LA it is the perfect talent and scheme marriage and that is how you get the maximum out of him. 

If we had Kupp and Diggs Allen would give more targets to Kupp as he should. Kupp catches that ball against TB when they were cheating...

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Kupp in there.  Evans out.

Yes at number 1

[BigAl2526]

Well, Diggs is certainly faster.  Kupp is a bit taller.  Other than those two metrics, I don't know how you'd compare other traits to come up an assessment that one is better than the other.

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, DJB said:

My dad is stronger than your dad too

No he’s not 

[BullBuchanan]

Cooper Kupp just had the best receiving season in league history. You can like your own players without them having to be the best all the time.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Kupp in there.  Evans out.

 

Kupp in Adams out for me.

[extrahammer]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Cooper Kupp just had the best receiving season in league history. You can like your own players without them having to be the best all the time.

 

On every talent and skill layer, Diggs is better. The only difference is Kupp was targeted double last year than what he normally is. He won't have that kind of production again. I get it though, shiny new object is shiny...

[GunnerBill]

To further my point on Kupp and the scheme being a perfect marriage. Just 3 of his catches last year came on broken plays. He excels in the scheme. His talent is a perfect fit for what the Rams do. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Kupp in Adams out for me.

Yes, Renfrow will be taking his place anyways...

[ALLEN1QB]

8 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

Who’d you take over Diggs in the 2nd? That seems a bit nuts.

Devante Adams...Took Gabe few rounds later couldn't have both from ssme team lol. I actually think Davis scores more fantasy points this year. We will see

Edited September 8, 2022 by ALLEN1QB

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Kupp in Adams out for me.

 

Adams the best route runner in the league.  Evans may not be the best WR on his team.

[Richard Noggin]

13 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Not taking anything away from Kupp because he's awesome, but the system Cooper's in with Stafford as his QB is absolutely perfect for his skill set.  Hence the production.  

 

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

So I think Cooper Kupp has deserved to be recognised as a top 1/2 receiver in the NFL. I don't believe he is a "product" of the LA system so much but it definitely plays to his strengths. I will say this.... I think Diggs would do better playing Kupp's role in LA than Kupp would do playing Diggs' role here. 

 

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

what is "the system in LA"?

 

Kupp averaged 1070 per year the last 2 years of Goff, then Stafford came in. 

 

Diggs has fewer plays designed to get HIM open quickly as a product of bunches and picks and motions and et cetera. Diggs plays a more traditional X role more often than Kupp does. Right on the line, out wide, releasing and running routes. Working against presses and brackets and doubles and buzzes and et cetera. 

 

Kupp gets a lot of defensive attention, no doubt, but there's more scheming designed to disrupt that attention and get him the ball nonetheless. Methinks the Bills have sought to play it slightly more "straight-up" so that extra attention paid to Diggs opens up other favorable matchups. Or, conversely, a lack of extra coverage attention means Diggs sees the ball, a lot. In theory.

[buffaloboyinATL]

14 hours ago, DJB said:

My dad is stronger than your dad too

I don’t know what it is, but the first response in many posts is hilarious. Ya’ll are a bunch of funny mf-ers. 
 

kudos DJB.  

[JoPoy88]

Love these petty pi**ing contest threads before a game. Much better than a runjoshrun thread.

[without a drought]

11 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Love these petty pi**ing contest threads before a game. Much better than a runjoshrun thread.

Are you saying you wouldn't enjoy this thread if it was "Are Diggs and Davis holding back the Bills offense?"

[JoPoy88]

12 minutes ago, without a drought said:

Are you saying you wouldn't enjoy this thread if it was "Are Diggs and Davis holding back the Bills offense?"

God don’t give him any more ideas please

[Richard Noggin]

44 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I don’t know what it is, but the first response in many posts is hilarious. Ya’ll are a bunch of funny mf-ers. 
 

kudos DJB.  

 

Easy to be funny at the START of 2022. But how many of you were funny at the END of [insert any year 2000-2010]?

[machine gun kelly]

These debates are like a chipping of stones in a pond competition.  They are both top end WRs.  They are both clear #1 WRs.  I like Diggs for a variety of reasons, but mostly I love the contested catch ability.  He’s one of the best in the league.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Adams the best route runner in the league.  Evans may not be the best WR on his team.

 

I disagree. I know I am way off the consensus on Adams but I think he is cllser to the 10th best receiver in the league than the 1st and I think Mike Evans is the most underrated and overlooked receiver in football.

[billsbackto81]

18 hours ago, extrahammer said:

I understand Kupp has the triple crown, but I also think he's a product of the system in LA.

 

I think on every layer of skill and talent, Diggs is better than him. 😈

 

#burnitall

I love Diggs! I think he helped propel JA into elite status in the NFL.

 

BUT......

Diggs in the playoffs was 3 rec/ 60 yds, 0 TDs against the Pats and 3 rec /7 yds 0 TDs against KC

 

Kupp in the playoffs was 5 rec/ 61 yds 1TD against Arizona, 9 rec/ 183 yds 1 TD against TB, 11 rec/142 and 2 TDs against SF and 8 rec / 92 yards 2 TDs against Cinn in the SB.

 

Now as I said I'm a big Diggs fan and we could compare the body of work over their careers, but if we go by last years playoffs and if this were an actual debate I would literally destroy you to the point you would walk out the room in tears.

Edited September 8, 2022 by billsbackto81

[Doc]

19 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Kupp can legit play anywhere...Doesn't matter same results.

 

Are there stats on Kupp's production outside vs. slot?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Very similar career production 

 

 

https://stathead.com/tiny/QiY1U

 

Kupps ‘21 was like Diggs ‘20

Edited September 8, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Are there stats on Kupp's production outside vs. slot?

 

He only had 23 of his 191 targets lined up wide last year. 

[BigDingus]

He could be, but he may not have more success tonight (don't hate me 😅)

 

Diggs is going up against Ramsey, while Cupp is going up against Dane Jackson (7th round pick in 2020) & a rookie 1st rounder in Elam.

 

Or maybe our 6th round rookie Benford Will be paired up against him on occasion... Either way it's a lot of green, young players being asked to go up against the #1 WR in the league last year & a top 10 player in the league (according to players).

 

According to GMF, when matched up together, Ramsey held Diggs to 2 receptions for 9 yards on 4 targets the last 2 games they went at it (I didn't check to verify though).

 

So Diggs may be "better" in terms of talent, but Cupp is in the better position to put up numbers.

 

 

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

He only had 23 of his 191 targets lined up wide last year. 

 

OK, so 12%.  Thanks for that info.  Do you know what was his production was on those 23 targets?