Mr. WEO Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Time will tell. Really depends on how much his play falls off while he’s still got big guarantees. you think the contract would cause a fall off in play? 59 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: But that's not the projection this season with Wilson. They won't be worse than last year. They will compete for the division title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 From what I understand, Wilson's deal still can't touch Deshaun Watson's and how it's structured. Still can't believe how the Browns rewarded that guy... and we axed a player within 48 hours of public allegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: you think the contract would cause a fall off in play? I really did not think my point was that difficult to understand. The new contract extension (as understood now) guarantees that Wilson will be a Bronco for at least 4 seasons and that he is near the top of the market in AAV. His play fell off last season and he turns 34 in November. So the big risk is that his play continues to fall off while the Broncos are stuck with him for multiple seasons at a very high salary and cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I really did not think my point was that difficult to understand. The new contract extension (as understood now) guarantees that Wilson will be a Bronco for at least 4 seasons and that he is near the top of the market in AAV. His play fell off last season and he turns 34 in November. So the big risk is that his play continues to fall off while the Broncos are stuck with him for multiple seasons at a very high salary and cap hit. His play fell of because his team wasn't very good. He is on a better team now. I said this twice. How would AAron Rodgers have played on that team the past few years. Packers are paying that old man a ton and that roster is worse now than it has been in a few years--they are stuck paying him. This is a smart move for the Broncos. Wilson is in his prime with years to go. He's a franchise QB getting paid as such with skyrocketing salary caps for years to come. Pretty simple, really..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) That's bananas money for a guy that's on the downside of his career. If they feel that all they need is mediocre+ play to win another SB, so be it, but that team is nowhere near as talented on paper as they were under manning imo. Edited September 1, 2022 by BullBuchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: His play fell of because his team wasn't very good. He is on a better team now. I said this twice. How would AAron Rodgers have played on that team the past few years. Packers are paying that old man a ton and that roster is worse now than it has been in a few years--they are stuck paying him. This is a smart move for the Broncos. Wilson is in his prime with years to go. He's a franchise QB getting paid as such with skyrocketing salary caps for years to come. Pretty simple, really..... Yeah. I understood your argument the first time. I just stated why it here’s a good chance it’s wrong. But we will have to watch a few seasons of Wilson to find out who got this one right. Just have to wait and see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Might be an overreaction but this reminds me a lot about when Buffalo traded for Bledsoe. Complete desperation move by Elway and company 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: It will get done, it has to. Problem for the ravens is that it gets more $$ with each passing day. I suppose they could trade him for a huge haul if it falls apart Check out the playoff history. Would you guarantee all that? I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 10 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Yeah. I think this contract was pure malfeasance by Elway. Elway hasn’t been the GM or in charge for 2 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said: Elway hasn’t been the GM or in charge for 2 years He’s the Broncos president. I kinda think he’d have had a lot of say in the Wilson move though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: He’s the Broncos president. I kinda think he’d have had a lot of say in the Wilson move though. No…he is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 13 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Yeah. I think this contract was pure malfeasance by Elway. The two Broncos players who I waited on at Vonn Miller's table the night before that Kids Day preseason game DEFINITELY don't respect Elway's leadership style/personality: as Miller told an interesting and complimentary story about himself and McD at training camp (related to camp rules and McD's direct, respectful approach to a specific, unreported disciplinary matter), the Broncos guys, one especially, took that opportunity to remark how DIFFERENT Elway is, interpersonally, in a negative way: the kind of guy who thinks HE knows EVERYthing and no one else knows ANYthing, in any room he's in (rough paraphrase). 2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: No…he is not. Was Pres of Football Ops until this offseason. Now a "Consultant." Def still had the ear of ownership right up until the recent sale. Doubt he maintains the same clout moving forward, right? And also, sorry to hear that for fans of competing AFC West orgs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 9:02 AM, Sierra Foothills said: It'll be interesting to see what Lamar Jackson gets. On 9/1/2022 at 9:04 AM, aristocrat said: just gonna say that. He wants a fully guaranteed deal it seems though Was reading an article the other day in the Athletic. Says that the longer Jackson contract goes on, likely the more he'll get. But whatever he gets, he probably could have done better if he had an agent and their team working with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 8:59 AM, YoloinOhio said: If Josh balls out again next year I expect a nice little bump in his salary moving forward. His contract was such a steal looking at some of the money these other guys are getting. Another smart move by Beane locking him up early. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 6:19 AM, KHAN said: Russ will be 34 in November. Smaller guy, with a lot of wear and tear. He belongs on the list of top tier QB's for sure. But I see him falling off a cliff at an age much before someone like Rodgers. Last year was the first time Russ missed time due to injury and it was a finger or thumb. He honestly hasn’t been very injury prone, and he doesn’t scramble like he used to. There isn’t any indication that he is about to fall off of the cliff anytime soon, especially considering the recent trend of QB longevity, which can most likely be attributed to the protections qb’s have had the last handful of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: His play fell of because his team wasn't very good. He is on a better team now. I said this twice. How would AAron Rodgers have played on that team the past few years. Packers are paying that old man a ton and that roster is worse now than it has been in a few years--they are stuck paying him. This is a smart move for the Broncos. Wilson is in his prime with years to go. He's a franchise QB getting paid as such with skyrocketing salary caps for years to come. Pretty simple, really..... His play also fell because he had a thumb injury where he tore a tendon. He should be better this season. With that defense he doesn't have to be elite just very good. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the division 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Wilson is worth the money. Proven elite QB's are tough to find. Wilson is 9-7 in playoffs and has a Super Bowl ring. He is worth a heck of a lot more money than Watson or Jackson who are a combined 2-5 in the playoffs. Watson is not right in the head. Apparently neither is the Browns GM. Jackson can't throw the ball like an elite QB and coordinators have figured him out. Jackson had 16 passing TD's and 13 INT last year. That was his 4th NFL season. That is not an elite quarterback. Jackson should take whatever he can get now. He will be fighting for a starting job in a few years from now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bills2022 said: Wilson is worth the money. Proven elite QB's are tough to find. Wilson is 9-7 in playoffs and has a Super Bowl ring. He is worth a heck of a lot more money than Watson or Jackson who are a combined 2-5 in the playoffs. Watson is not right in the head. Apparently neither is the Browns GM. Jackson can't throw the ball like an elite QB and coordinators have figured him out. Jackson had 16 passing TD's and 13 INT last year. That was his 4th NFL season. That is not an elite quarterback. Jackson should take whatever he can get now. He will be fighting for a starting job in a few years from now. Lamar Jackson has regressed mightily as predicted the past two years. The dolphins zero blitzed him 36x last year and he was horrid. It was embarrassing for a 4th year qb The pistol he ran in 19 was very much a gimmick offense, similar to the wildcat, and he can be dangerous in rpo concepts. Mainly because it forces man coverage and is a dummy proof offense. Once teams zeroed in on that, he's been really really bad outside of him using his legs for rushing yards I think his career is very much at a crossroads and if he keeps regressing , he'll go down the same path as Kaepernick, Tebow, etc. Nothing wrong with being a mobile QB Roger staubach Elway Randall Cunningham Andrew Luck Mahomes Allen Etc. But you must be able to make plays as a pocket passer at an advanced level or you will wash out. Maybe, a huge maybe, if you could build a historical oline and defense like 95 Nebraska, you can win big that way. But it has never been done in the NFL 8 hours ago, Mynamemike said: If Josh balls out again next year I expect a nice little bump in his salary moving forward. His contract was such a steal looking at some of the money these other guys are getting. Another smart move by Beane locking him up early. Allen and mahomes both said they aren't Changing their contact. They both signed long term for a reason and want to win Edited September 3, 2022 by Forlorn hope 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 After they heard about this, Denver is leaning against letting Russ cook: https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-cb-antonio-hamilton-lands-on-nfi-list-after-cooking-accident 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 6:45 PM, YoloinOhio said: Spotrac just updated this - And the four above Josh may never win a SB again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Forlorn hope said: Lamar Jackson has regressed mightily as predicted the past two years. The dolphins zero blitzed him 36x last year and he was horrid. It was embarrassing for a 4th year qb The pistol he ran in 19 was very much a gimmick offense, similar to the wildcat, and he can be dangerous in rpo concepts. Mainly because it forces man coverage and is a dummy proof offense. Once teams zeroed in on that, he's been really really bad outside of him using his legs for rushing yards I think his career is very much at a crossroads and if he keeps regressing , he'll go down the same path as Kaepernick, Tebow, etc. Nothing wrong with being a mobile QB Roger staubach Elway Randall Cunningham Andrew Luck Mahomes Allen No Steve Young ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Forlorn hope said: Allen and mahomes both said they aren't Changing their contact. They both signed long term for a reason and want to win Exactly. He signed a quarter of a billion $ contract! It's set up perfect for a 4–5 year extension to be signed in 2027. That will take him through the 2032 season. Can you imagine what that contract will be worth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Forlorn hope said: Lamar Jackson has regressed mightily as predicted the past two years. The dolphins zero blitzed him 36x last year and he was horrid. It was embarrassing for a 4th year qb The pistol he ran in 19 was very much a gimmick offense, similar to the wildcat, and he can be dangerous in rpo concepts. Mainly because it forces man coverage and is a dummy proof offense. Once teams zeroed in on that, he's been really really bad outside of him using his legs for rushing yards I think his career is very much at a crossroads and if he keeps regressing , he'll go down the same path as Kaepernick, Tebow, etc. Nothing wrong with being a mobile QB Roger staubach Elway Randall Cunningham Andrew Luck Mahomes Allen Etc. But you must be able to make plays as a pocket passer at an advanced level or you will wash out. Maybe, a huge maybe, if you could build a historical oline and defense like 95 Nebraska, you can win big that way. But it has never been done in the NFL Allen and mahomes both said they aren't Changing their contact. They both signed long term for a reason and want to win What else would they say? Any good agent is going to renegotiate their star qbs contract especially if lesser talented guys are making more than them. No other quarterback in the league does more offensively than JA17 and he’s got the numbers and game tape to back it up. He wins a SB you can bet there will be a massive pay bump of some sort for him. It would be rightfully deserved too. Edited September 3, 2022 by Mynamemike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlorn hope Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mynamemike said: What else would they say? Any good agent is going to renegotiate their star qbs contract especially if lesser talented guys are making more than them. No other quarterback in the league does more offensively than JA17 and he’s got the numbers and game tape to back it up. He wins a SB you can bet there will be a massive pay bump of some sort for him. It would be rightfully deserved too. And Josh Allen or Mahomes will tell his agent no. They are already set and winning is more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Wilson's college teammates hate him. Wilson's pro teammates hate him. Apparently he is a snitch that tells coaches when other players are talking about them. He puts on an act for show and the cameras, basically what Canadians would call a Poser. He makes up stuff and acts like it actually happened. He complains his OLine allows him to get hit too much. I am not sure I have ever heard so much vitriol towards a "star" QB without a single person really jumping to his defense. Even Cutler had teammates that defended him when people talked trash...nobody is coming to Wilson's defense... That speaks loudly...he is the real life Bo Callahan https://97rockonline.com/apparently-russell-wilsons-college-teammates-hate-him/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2022/9/13/23350848/seahawks-players-roasting-russell-wilson-was-the-best-part-of-seattles-17-16-win https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34531802/inside-russell-wilson-seattle-seahawks-drama-led-denver-broncos-trade Edited September 14, 2022 by Big Turk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Allen vs Mahomes will be like Kelly vs Marino, just not in the same division. I look forward to the many battle I just hope we win the important ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Jokeman Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 12:10 AM, Big Turk said: Wilson's college teammates hate him. Wilson's pro teammates hate him. Apparently he is a snitch that tells coaches when other players are talking about them. He puts on an act for show and the cameras, basically what Canadians would call a Poser. He makes up stuff and acts like it actually happened. He complains his OLine allows him to get hit too much. I am not sure I have ever heard so much vitriol towards a "star" QB without a single person really jumping to his defense. Even Cutler had teammates that defended him when people talked trash...nobody is coming to Wilson's defense... That speaks loudly...he is the real life Bo Callahan https://97rockonline.com/apparently-russell-wilsons-college-teammates-hate-him/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2022/9/13/23350848/seahawks-players-roasting-russell-wilson-was-the-best-part-of-seattles-17-16-win https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34531802/inside-russell-wilson-seattle-seahawks-drama-led-denver-broncos-trade Sounds like he's got Doug Flutie syndrome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Sounds like he's got Doug Flutie syndrome. Not exactly...Flutie divided the locker rooms but at least he had half of it on his side and they were very loyal to him. Wilson literally stands alone by himself as everyone throws rotten tomatoes at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 12:10 AM, Big Turk said: Wilson's college teammates hate him. Wilson's pro teammates hate him. Apparently he is a snitch that tells coaches when other players are talking about them. He puts on an act for show and the cameras, basically what Canadians would call a Poser. He makes up stuff and acts like it actually happened. He complains his OLine allows him to get hit too much. I am not sure I have ever heard so much vitriol towards a "star" QB without a single person really jumping to his defense. Even Cutler had teammates that defended him when people talked trash...nobody is coming to Wilson's defense... That speaks loudly...he is the real life Bo Callahan https://97rockonline.com/apparently-russell-wilsons-college-teammates-hate-him/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2022/9/13/23350848/seahawks-players-roasting-russell-wilson-was-the-best-part-of-seattles-17-16-win https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34531802/inside-russell-wilson-seattle-seahawks-drama-led-denver-broncos-trade Russ wanted to cook and now he’s getting burned. Seattle knew this dude was nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Subway right now: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Subway right now: Wilson is so awkward! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I've been telling people this for YEARS: Russ was carried by a dominate D and a dominate running game for the entirety of his career. He was never asked to be 'the man.' Now he is, and his true skill set is showing. When teams know he has to pass, he is average at best. It also doesn't help that his head coach is soooo far in over his head, it's hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Suckers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Not exactly...Flutie divided the locker rooms but at least he had half of it on his side and they were very loyal to him. Wilson literally stands alone by himself as everyone throws rotten tomatoes at him. He was also a lot better than the alternative at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: He was also a lot better than the alternative at the time. So is Wilson but that didn't stop them, hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I've been telling people this for YEARS: Russ was carried by a dominate D and a dominate running game for the entirety of his career. He was never asked to be 'the man.' Now he is, and his true skill set is showing. When teams know he has to pass, he is average at best. It also doesn't help that his head coach is soooo far in over his head, it's hilarious. In his first 7 years, Wilson had 75 wins--the most in NFL history for that span. During that same period, he had a TD % of 6, second highest in the SB era, 2nd highest passing rating in NFL history, 4th highest passer rating for the previous 27 seasons. After that, he followed up with 11 and 12 wins seasons. In 2017, he accounted for 37 of the team's 38 TDs--yet somehow was not named league MVP. He was the team's leading rusher that year, BTW. Pro Bowl 9 of 10 seasons. Back to back SB, 1 ring. While it's true that the Seahawks had a "dominate" D in points allowed for his first 5 seasons, they then were 13, 11, 22, 15 over the next 4, while the Offense was 11, 6, 9, and 8th in scoring--and the Seahawks won 9, 10, 11, and 12 games over that span and 3 playoffs. As for a "dominate" running game for his entire career, after Lynch (only 4 seasons with Wilson) was gone, their leading rushers were Thomas Rawls, "Christine Michael", Russell Wilson, Chris Carson, and Rashad Penny, lol. Your take is weak on the facts. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I've been telling people this for YEARS: Russ was carried by a dominate D and a dominate running game for the entirety of his career. He was never asked to be 'the man.' Now he is, and his true skill set is showing. When teams know he has to pass, he is average at best. It also doesn't help that his head coach is soooo far in over his head, it's hilarious. Imagine bragging about how wrong you’ve been for YEARS 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RoyBatty is alive Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He is as good of am actor as he is a QB this year. Too bad, Pete Carroll may have lucked out big time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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