Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[Ralonzo]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, that Haack moves looks really bad in hindsight. 

Haack needed cut either way. He was simply the worst punter in the league last year.

 

[Bills2022]

1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

THEY ONLY FOUND OUT AFTER THEY DRAFTED HIM.

 

Yes, but now they know. Adios.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m so curious with what you have in your fridge now!!!

 

With any luck we could turn this into a recipe thread.  

 

I think that would be a lot more fun than having strong reactions and opinions about things we know very little about. 

 

I bet he’s got Dijon mustard, which you can whip into a tasty vinaigrette! 

[Simon Says]

22 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Bring back Haack

Too late.  Hevis laughing out there in Indy

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

When is a snap judgement and execution ever a good idea?

 

"Wait and see" is always the correct approach. If it turns out he was in the wrong, he'll be cut. If he is innocent, the Bills will keep him.

 

Any other outcome is just stupid. It's mob mentality. It's frontier "justice". If waiting for the fact to come out is too hard for you, go root for another team.

 

These were the same people calling for Ed Oliver to be cut. What happened with him?

 

If Araiza is guilty, the facts will come out and he will face justice. Allow the process of justice to happen.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

When is a snap judgement and execution ever a good idea?

 

"Wait and see" is always the correct approach. If it turns out he was in the wrong, he'll be cut. If he is innocent, the Bills will keep him.

 

Any other outcome is just stupid. It's mob mentality. It's frontier "justice". If waiting for the fact to come out is too hard for you, go root for another team.

 

These were the same people calling for Ed Oliver to be cut. What happened with him?

 

If Araiza is guilty, the facts will come out and he will face justice. Allow the process of justice to happen.

Dude, this is supposed to be the season. Drama free and everyone feels good. It’s a punter. I know Buffalo loves punters but it’s such an easy distraction to get rid of.

 

if he is really “innocent,” he will get a job. But to have the headache of a punter potentially being a rapist seems like a really easy thing to take care of.

[BillsFanSD]

For those of you who live in New York, your age of consent is 17.  It would have been perfectly legal for Matt Araiza to have sex with the Jane Doe in his Buffalo apartment.

[Bills2022]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Let's find the nearest tree and hang him right now! Due process be damned!

 

Due process is for courts. This is about the team. He is a distraction and a PUNTER. A great punter is worth very little on a high scoring team like the Bills.

[CaliBills]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

According to the suit, police helped the teen call the other players and Araiza to confirm the incident. During the taped phone call, Araiza told the young woman that he had tested positive for chlamydia, and asked her to get tested.

He then said, “So you know what to get tested for Ok, that makes me feel a bit better.”

 

 

Disregard, someone posted and clarified.

 

Shiet, keeping up with this post is too much.  Time to drink my afternoon coffee and get ready for the game.

Edited August 26, 2022 by CaliBills

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBud17 said:

We need to cut this guy. Can't believe the Bills knew about this, maybe even before the draft. We are not Cleveland, this reflects on our Buffalo community. We are better than this. If he proves his innocence, he will get another shot in the NFL....but from what i read there is some evidence there.

You read an article. You must be an expert on the law and know exactly what happened, right?

[Rc2catch]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Unless she is lying about talking with the police, which should be easy to prove. That would be a wild thing to lie about and definitely put her in legal trouble.

I’m not calling her a liar. 
I really feel for this kid cause I do believe she was raped. 
That said though, from my understanding of our limited information.. The phone call part is only what she remembers from the day the police and her made the calls. 
It’s really easy to not remember word for word exactly what was said. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said:

Dude.  People have sex at college parties.  Most of those people are intoxicated, and some are under age.  It happens. 

 

It is currently 3:11 on a Friday afternoon.  I am very confident that sometime in the next 12 hours, at least one minor will have sex with a student enrolled at my university.  Now, in my state the age of consent is 16, which is a lot more reasonable than 18, so there will not be any legal repercussions from any of this.  But morally it is the exact same thing, just in a different jurisdiction.  

I did a lot in college. Had a ton of fun. But I never had sex with a high school while I had a std and then passed her off to my homies.  If you think that is normal behavior, we live in different world.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He admitted to the police that he had sex with her! So our best hope is he didn’t physically rape an underage girl!

 

it’s wild that scumbags can do terrible things and somehow people will defend them because the media lies!!!

Sometimes people even go so far as to create screen names of players that sexually assaulted 17 year olds!  Disgusting!  

 

*Someone with the screen name C. Biscuit97 might want to tone down the judgement or google Cornelius Bennet sexual assualt.

Edited August 26, 2022 by HereComesTheReignAgain

[1ManRaid]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

When is a snap judgement and execution ever a good idea?

 

"Wait and see" is always the correct approach. If it turns out he was in the wrong, he'll be cut. If he is innocent, the Bills will keep him.

 

Any other outcome is just stupid. It's mob mentality. It's frontier "justice". If waiting for the fact to come out is too hard for you, go root for another team.

 

These were the same people calling for Ed Oliver to be cut. What happened with him?

 

If Araiza is guilty, the facts will come out and he will face justice. Allow the process of justice to happen.

 

Yeah LITERALLY NOTHING is gained by jumping to mob outrage and lynching.  Everyone who calls for him to be cut even if innocent because of "distraction" deserves to have false rape charges laid against them to see if their tune suddenly changes about if you should wait for facts first before losing your livelihood and reputation.

[Bills2022]

1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said:

For those of you who live in New York, your age of consent is 17.  It would have been perfectly legal for Matt Araiza to have sex with the Jane Doe in his Buffalo apartment.

 

True, but what type of guy with an STD has sex with a girl without telling her before it. A low character guy. Get rid of this clown.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dude, this is supposed to be the season. Drama free and everyone feels good. It’s a punter. I know Buffalo loves punters but it’s such an easy distraction to get rid of.

 

if he is really “innocent,” he will get a job. But to have the headache of a punter potentially being a rapist seems like a really easy thing to take care of.

As an organization you probably do not want to send the message to your team that "we are all family! Unless things get uncomfortable, in which case we'll sacrifice you to satisfy the media at the drop of a hat.  Sooooo don't get accused. K thanks."  

[Simon Says]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dude, this is supposed to be the season. Drama free and everyone feels good. It’s a punter. I know Buffalo loves punters but it’s such an easy distraction to get rid of.

 

if he is really “innocent,” he will get a job. But to have the headache of a punter potentially being a rapist seems like a really easy thing to take care of.

"POTENTIALLY " is the key.

Afford him the same rights you would want for yourself or your son,for example.

The NFL likely not getting involved because the incident didnt happen on their watch.

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dude, this is supposed to be the season. Drama free and everyone feels good. It’s a punter. I know Buffalo loves punters but it’s such an easy distraction to get rid of.

 

if he is really “innocent,” he will get a job. But to have the headache of a punter potentially being a rapist seems like a really easy thing to take care of.

The football season is what matters to you in this? I find principles of innocence and justice to be more important, even if it is a distraction for the team. It is WRONG to fire someone without going through the proper steps to ensure that there is actual cause for it. To do that, you have to wait for the facts to come out.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Bills2022 said:

 

Due process is for courts. This is about the team. He is a distraction and a PUNTER. A great punter is worth very little on a high scoring team like the Bills.

Nail on the head. The nfl isn’t equal. God forbid this was Allen, I’m sure the response would be different. It’s why Beasley doesn’t have a job. You can’t be a distraction if you are replaceable. A punter is certainly replaceable.

 

This off-season felt like we won the SB. I don’t want anything messing up feeling good about this season. I was excited for the Punt God but I’m very good with moving on from him.

[Negan]

What's the record on # of pages for a thread?

[K-9]

Just now, Bills2022 said:

 

Due process is for courts. This is about the team. He is a distraction and a PUNTER. A great punter is worth very little on a high scoring team like the Bills.

He’s certainly a distraction for fans and media, but I wouldn’t presume to know what the feeling is inside the building among players, coaches, and other staff. But we fans are really good at projecting. 

[Jauronimo]

4 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

True, but what type of guy with an STD has sex with a girl without telling her before it. A low character guy. Get rid of this clown.

Maybe a guy who didn't know he had an STD and tested positive after the encounter? Maybe a guy who got the STD during that incident?  Maybe a guy who even got the STD from her? Maybe a guy who didn't even have an STD but knew she had sex with a few teammates of his that did?

 

Too many conclusions being drawn on too few facts.  

Edited August 26, 2022 by Jauronimo

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

Due process is for courts. This is about the team. He is a distraction and a PUNTER. A great punter is worth very little on a high scoring team like the Bills.

He is a human being and it is wrong to fire human beings without allowing the facts to come out first.

 

I'm not defending him. I'm defending truth and justice. We have a legal process for a reason. This isn't the wild west.

[RocCityRoller]

1 minute ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Sometimes people even go so far as to create screen names of players that sexually assaulted 17 year olds!  Disgusting!  

 

*Someone with the screen name C. Biscuit97 might want to tone down the judgement.

 

Beat me to the punchline.

 

A judgmental post in a thread like this by a poster with the handle of C. Biscuit97 is irony raised to pure art.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Sometimes people even go so far as to create screen names of players that sexually assaulted 17 year olds!  Disgusting!  

 

*Someone with the screen name C. Biscuit97 might want to tone down the judgement or google Cornelius Bennet sexual assualt.

Did he? I honestly don’t remember. It was more of a play on sea biscuit.  But I’m fine with cutting C.Biscuit as well!!!

cut all rapists!

[Mango]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

According to the suit, police helped the teen call the other players and Araiza to confirm the incident. During the taped phone call, Araiza told the young woman that he had tested positive for chlamydia, and asked her to get tested.

He then said, “So you know what to get tested for Ok, that makes me feel a bit better.”

 

 

Interesting thought. Medical records of the accused will probably put some of this together as well. 
 

If all these people have chlamydia….

[GolfandBills]

This is one isolated case.  I prefer to wait this one out before I’ll cast blame on him or her 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

He’s certainly a distraction for fans and media, but I wouldn’t presume to know what the feeling is inside the building among players, coaches, and other staff. But we fans are really good at projecting. 

For the most part, no one cares about the punter. The specialists have their own little world.  But the coaches and front office will be asked about this. 

[DC Tom]

Take your outrage and make it mean something.

 

 

[Warcodered]

150 pages!

 

[zow2]

2 minutes ago, Negan said:

What's the record on # of pages for a thread?

 

Or has another topic ever hit 150 pages in 24 hours?!?

[1ManRaid]

5 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

Due process is for courts. This is about the team. He is a distraction and a PUNTER. A great punter is worth very little on a high scoring team like the Bills.

 

This is about PEOPLE.  The punter is a PERSON too and deserves the same rights as everyone else.  The fact you completely lack any sense of empathy for the possibility of someone having their life ruined from a false charge is alarming.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

He is a human being and it is wrong to fire human beings without allowing the facts to come out first.

 

I'm not defending him. I'm defending truth and justice. We have a legal process for a reason. This isn't the wild west.

Some dudes on here I wouldn't want in a fox hole with me

[Bruffalo]

Just now, zow2 said:

 

Or has another topic ever hit 150 pages in 24 hours?!?

Imagine if this forum was hopping during the OJ car chase. 

[Bills2022]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Maybe a guy who didn't know he had an STD and tested positive after the encounter? Maybe a guy who got the STD during that incident?  Maybe a guy who even got the STD from her? 

 

Too many conclusions being drawn on too few facts.  

 

I know he is a distraction and is just a punter.  That is all I need to know.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Beat me to the punchline.

 

A judgmental post in a thread like this by a poster with the handle of C. Biscuit97 is irony raised to pure art.

Again, not familiar with it. But does that mean anyone with a Jim Kelly handle can’t be upset with any negative story? Because there are plenty of Kelly fans on here and there are plenty of bad Kelly stories out there. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

I hope he kicks good tonight

[Airseven]

How is this a distraction for fans? It's pure entertainment.

[zow2]

Just now, Bruffalo said:

Imagine if this forum was hopping during the OJ car chase. 

 

You ain't kidding.  And I stand corrected....150 pages in only 22 hours.

[BillsFanSD]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I did a lot in college. Had a ton of fun. But I never had sex with a high school while I had a std and then passed her off to my homies.  If you think that is normal behavior, we live in different world.

The "passing her off to my homies" is the key part here.  The other stuff is irrelevant.