Scott7975 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) Just a preseason game but man I feel like this team has so much talent. There are going to be some really hard calls to make on this final 53. Probably the toughest season yet. Im so amazed how McBeane has turned this team around. I'm even more scared how they going to pay everyone knowing that they can't and I am going to be sad to see some of this talent go. Some of these cut downs will probably start elsewhere. There are a couple position groups that lack serious talent like TE depth and O line but man we are stacked almost everywhere and no team is strong everywhere. They aren't all elite of course but they are seriously talented. So looking forward to this season. I dont know how Beane gets so criticized. He isn't perfect, no GM is, but he has done an excellent job building this team and getting these players signed IMO. Edited August 14, 2022 by Scott7975 9 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Agree with you. RT on the o-line is a concern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 14, 2022 Author Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, jahnyc said: Agree with you. RT on the o-line is a concern. Im hoping it will be fine when we get all the starters back in the line up and they get use to playing together, but yes O line is thin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I've watched this 25 times 6 1 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Elite players at the 4 most important positions in football (CB, DE, QB and WR) and the best depth in the NFL. Team is stacked. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Looked pretty deep tonight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said: Looked pretty deep tonight So deep we won despite 5 turnovers and not many starters. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 59 minutes ago, jahnyc said: Agree with you. RT on the o-line is a concern. Maybe if Luke Tenuta is the starter the yeah. Quessenberry started all 17 games at RT for the titans last year and was very solid and Spencer Brown still has all-pro potential. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Defensive depth is extremely good… Shakir and Hodgins were impressive…. As were Elam and Benford…. Only disappointment was the offensive line(not surprising) and Keenum. Keenum looked terrible. If this is a real QB competition then he would get cut in favor of Barkley but I think they would need to take into account their entire resume first because I don't know if they want to roll into the season with just Allen and Barkley a la Peterman and Allen 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) Agreed on Keenum. We are deep everywhere but backup QB. Barkley getting some yards on the #3's is not going to ease my concern. I'd like to see us look at some of the other vet cuts and see if we can find a real #2. I think the OL will come together and the WR's, TE's and RB's look good. Defense looks tough. Keep Josh healthy and rested up and we got a real shot. Edited August 14, 2022 by TampaBillsJunkie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Benford and Hodgins are either on our 53 or someone else’s. Zero chance either makes it to the PS. 5 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: Agreed on Keenum. We are deep everywhere but backup QB. Barkley getting some yards on the #3's is not going to ease my concern. I'd like to see us look at some of the other vet cuts and see if we can find a real #2. I think the OL will come together and the WR's, TE's and RB's look good. Defense looks tough. Keep Josh healthy and rested up and we got a real shot. There is literally no one worth it that's available. Keenum, from what I have seen from him in the past, is not bad. The guy basically lead the vikings to the NFC championship game in his one year there and had the best year of his career. But in the free agency pool, the only player I would even consider is calling Fitz and seeing if he wants to come out of retirement. Because that's seriously all that's out there Edited August 14, 2022 by Buffalo03 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: There is literally no one worth it that's available. Keenum, from what I have seen from him in the past, is not bad. The guy basically lead the vikings to the NFC championship game in his one year there and had the best year of his career. But in the free agency pool, the only player I would even consider is calling Fitz and seeing if he wants to come out of retirement. Because that's seriously all that's out there Been saying this myself and couldn't agree more. QB depth after about 30th best in the league is abysmal, we're lucky to even have a guy with some solid experience. This is why the conversation about he who shall not be named keeps popping up, and rightfully so, there are some terrible QBs hanging on to rosters right now. Nathan Peterman still showed up in a game today in 2022. And he looked very much like Nathan Peterman, yet he'll probably still be on a roster Week 1, because to your point there is nobody. Fitz would be an upgrade but I'm assuming he's not an option until he says otherwise. Other than Fitz there is nobody. Edited August 14, 2022 by Nelius 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 The Colts are a will coach team and played their starters against our back ups and we still look good if we were playing start on starter we would’ve destroyed them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 According to this NFL.Com Article we are not in the top 5 https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-qb-justin-fields-poised-for-breakout-year-2-in-new-offense-plus-the-nfl-s- 1. Chargers 2. Saints 3. Rams 4. Packers 5. Browns Not sure what writer was thinking - especially with Saints and Browns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 2 hours ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: Agreed on Keenum. We are deep everywhere but backup QB. Barkley getting some yards on the #3's is not going to ease my concern. I'd like to see us look at some of the other vet cuts and see if we can find a real #2. I think the OL will come together and the WR's, TE's and RB's look good. Defense looks tough. Keep Josh healthy and rested up and we got a real shot. We are definitely not deep at OLine. If any starter goes down we're putting in a liability. One could argue that Quessenberry can fill in for Brown, fair enough (though I expect Brown to be noticably better than Qberry when he's back at full go)..but what about any other position on the line? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I've watched this 25 times Also nice to see defense not playing so far back on 3rd/4th down. Get burnt too often giving too much space to opposing receivers, & it leads to conversions even in 3rd/4th & long situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said: According to this NFL.Com Article we are not in the top 5 https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-qb-justin-fields-poised-for-breakout-year-2-in-new-offense-plus-the-nfl-s- 1. Chargers 2. Saints 3. Rams 4. Packers 5. Browns Not sure what writer was thinking - especially with Saints and Browns The Saints?! I read a lot of offseason nonsense and this might be the first time I've seen anybody rate them, let alone that high. Bucky just throwing Michael Thomas out there as guaranteed elite as if the last 2 years didn't happen. I know there's been some chatter about how good he looks in practice but shouldn't you at least mention the fact that he hasn't really played in years if ranking the offense that high? Olave's also a rookie and he's mentioning him like he's Tee Higgins dependable. Terrible take all around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Just a preseason game but man I feel like this team has so much talent. There are going to be some really hard calls to make on this final 53. Probably the toughest season yet. Im so amazed how McBeane has turned this team around. I'm even more scared how they going to pay everyone knowing that they can't and I am going to be sad to see some of this talent go. Some of these cut downs will probably start elsewhere. There are a couple position groups that lack serious talent like TE depth and O line but man we are stacked almost everywhere and no team is strong everywhere. They aren't all elite of course but they are seriously talented. So looking forward to this season. I dont know how Beane gets so criticized. He isn't perfect, no GM is, but he has done an excellent job building this team and getting these players signed IMO. Its easy as there are way too many armchair QBs. They like to think they are smarter than actual GMs. Forget that he was GM of the year two years ago voted in by his peers. I couldn’t agree more on our depth. TE definitely and it seems like every team thinks they don’t have enough depth at O Line. Now it’s just week 1 of the preseason, but some of the new talent looked good yesterday. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 hours ago, jahnyc said: Agree with you. RT on the o-line is a concern. Luke Tenuta, who is prob at best a PS guy pretty much played the whole game at RT. It’s either Brown, Q-Berry, or Doyle at RT . The only one who played was Doyle who was only okay today . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I think we are all hoping that Brown shows improvement from his first year, but given his recovery from back surgery and lack of reps in camp, I am not sure that we count on that, particularly in the beginning part of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: There is literally no one worth it that's available. Keenum, from what I have seen from him in the past, is not bad. The guy basically lead the vikings to the NFC championship game in his one year there and had the best year of his career. But in the free agency pool, the only player I would even consider is calling Fitz and seeing if he wants to come out of retirement. Because that's seriously all that's out there Oh boy, you are right. I looked at this list and nearly cried. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/every-nfl-teams-starting-and-backup-quarterback-2022 If any starter goes down on any team, they are in a load of trouble, outside of some lower tier starters who are fighting for jobs in Seattle, Carolina and maybe Pittsburgh who won't have as drastic a drop off. I thought maybe there would be some vet cuts that we could pick up someone, but I'm not sure if a Flacco or Mullins would be an upgrade. I was kind of happy with Keenum but watching him overthrow everyone and look so lost in the pocket was disheartening. Is this offense that hard to pick up quickly? He has done some decent work but there's reports his practice reps suck too. I hope he catches up soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 14, 2022 Author Share Posted August 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: Oh boy, you are right. I looked at this list and nearly cried. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/every-nfl-teams-starting-and-backup-quarterback-2022 If any starter goes down on any team, they are in a load of trouble, outside of some lower tier starters who are fighting for jobs in Seattle, Carolina and maybe Pittsburgh who won't have as drastic a drop off. I thought maybe there would be some vet cuts that we could pick up someone, but I'm not sure if a Flacco or Mullins would be an upgrade. I was kind of happy with Keenum but watching him overthrow everyone and look so lost in the pocket was disheartening. Is this offense that hard to pick up quickly? He has done some decent work but there's reports his practice reps suck too. I hope he catches up soon. Forgot who it was, maybe Sanders?, said it was the most complicated offense he ever played in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 13 hours ago, jahnyc said: Agree with you. RT on the o-line is a concern. I think Spencer brown is going to be fine as starter, and Quessenberry is more than adequate as a backup. Tenuta is going to be on the practice squad at best. He may have upside, but he needs plenty of development. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 hours ago, NickelCity said: We are definitely not deep at OLine. If any starter goes down we're putting in a liability. One could argue that Quessenberry can fill in for Brown, fair enough (though I expect Brown to be noticably better than Qberry when he's back at full go)..but what about any other position on the line? FWIW Pat Kirwin on the Sirius camp tour was praising Beane for the OL situation - said if all 5 OL go down they have experienced players who have started games who can fll every position - said he's not aware of any other team that can say that. He mentioned they just came from Pats** camp and they have NO ONE (his emphasis) past their starting 5. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, stevewin said: FWIW Pat Kirwin on the Sirius camp tour was praising Beane for the OL situation - said if all 5 OL go down they have experienced players who have started games who can fll every position - said he's not aware of any other team that can say that. He mentioned they just came from Pats** camp and they have NO ONE (his emphasis) past their starting 5. I hope I'm wrong and Kirwin is right, 100%! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I think it's more the type of talent they have this year than having "more" of it over last year. I've said in the past they banked on smaller, quick penetrating players. Then the NFL went and was like.. yea.. offensive holding.. we're not really gonna call it unless it's egregious. They've course corrected and now they have more guys who are physical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 11 hours ago, NickelCity said: We are definitely not deep at OLine. If any starter goes down we're putting in a liability. One could argue that Quessenberry can fill in for Brown, fair enough (though I expect Brown to be noticably better than Qberry when he's back at full go)..but what about any other position on the line? Everyone realizes we rested our "top 7" OL yesterday, right? A rookie in Tenuta, who likely lands on our P/S was starting at RT and Bobby Hart at G (who might be another P/S candidate). This was going up against the Colts mostly starters. Same can be said of Keenum. He was behind this OL grouping that will never sniff a down (as a collective unit) this season. Put our starting OL in front of Keenum, and this is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Everyone realizes we rested our "top 7" OL yesterday, right? A rookie in Tenuta, who likely lands on our P/S was starting at RT and Bobby Hart at G (who might be another P/S candidate). This was going up against the Colts mostly starters. Same can be said of Keenum. He was behind this OL grouping that will never sniff a down (as a collective unit) this season. Put our starting OL in front of Keenum, and this is a different story. Yes. Or at least if you're referencing me, yes. I've got no issue with our starting 5. I don't like our depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, NickelCity said: Yes. Or at least if you're referencing me, yes. I've got no issue with our starting 5. I don't like our depth. Yeah I can understand the "depth" concerns, when our primary backups are guys who have bounced between a team or two/have some flaws. Ideally we could have landed a solid interior OL in round 3-4, but Bernard was a solid pick and draft board must not have aligned. But many teams struggle to field a solid 5. I feel we've come along/improved vs last season, when Cody lined up as a starter week 1 (he's likely our 9th, maybe 10th OL right now). I'm good with our depth right now, considering what that means in the current NFL: 1. Mancz: starting experience, backup C 2. Quesennbery: past starter, I think he'd be fine at RT or RG backup 3. Doyle: continues his development, young guy who is likely our swing tackle next year 4. Ford or VanRoten: starting exp, think Ford makes it but not a lock. One of these guys likely gets traded, or Beane attempts to (barring injury) Next year, I see us drafting at least 1 maybe 2 guys again for the trenches. Until then, this group is better on paper than last year, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Keenum looked terrible. If this is a real QB competition then he would get cut in favor of Barkley but I think they would need to take into account their entire resume first because I don't know if they want to roll into the season with just Allen and Barkley a la Peterman and Allen 2018 14 hours ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: Agreed on Keenum. We are deep everywhere but backup QB. Barkley getting some yards on the #3's is not going to ease my concern. I'd like to see us look at some of the other vet cuts and see if we can find a real #2. I think the OL will come together and the WR's, TE's and RB's look good. Defense looks tough. Keep Josh healthy and rested up and we got a real shot. Agree Keenum looked bad. But dont forget he played against the 1/2's on the colts. Barkley was playing 3/4/5's. But he did look much better regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 16 hours ago, jahnyc said: Agree with you. RT on the o-line is a concern. Based on what? Neither Quessenberry or Brown played. Both have practiced the past week. If that's are biggest issue, may as well plan the SB parties now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: There is literally no one worth it that's available. Keenum, from what I have seen from him in the past, is not bad. The guy basically lead the vikings to the NFC championship game in his one year there and had the best year of his career. But in the free agency pool, the only player I would even consider is calling Fitz and seeing if he wants to come out of retirement. Because that's seriously all that's out there So true. Keenum had a very bad half of football. His 9 years shows much more. Barkley was signed after Keenum and even he would think Keenum is primary backup. If true, I'm thinking Barkley has no problem going to PS for a while to start the year. If Barkley wasn't willing to do that then Beane made a mistake signing him versus a developmental guy. I don't think Beane makes those kinds of mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 16 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: According to this NFL.Com Article we are not in the top 5 https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-qb-justin-fields-poised-for-breakout-year-2-in-new-offense-plus-the-nfl-s- 1. Chargers 2. Saints 3. Rams 4. Packers 5. Browns Not sure what writer was thinking - especially with Saints and Browns Wow … just …. Wow … #1 Defense last year and the best QB in the league 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YattaOkasan Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 19 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: There is literally no one worth it that's available. Keenum, from what I have seen from him in the past, is not bad. The guy basically lead the vikings to the NFC championship game in his one year there and had the best year of his career. But in the free agency pool, the only player I would even consider is calling Fitz and seeing if he wants to come out of retirement. Because that's seriously all that's out there He got the browns by when he had to start two games last year. That’s all you can ask of a backup. Get me through a couple of games. If he has to salvage a season he would probably be a starter somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 22 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Defensive depth is extremely good… Shakir and Hodgins were impressive…. As were Elam and Benford…. Only disappointment was the offensive line(not surprising) and Keenum. Lots of good a bit of not so good, I ‘m thinking that some of the o line problems will be gone or part of the PS, which should help 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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