ControllerOfPlanetX Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 We should have cut 17 after his first week of practice. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Einstein said: Tough to trust random people on the internet but I found this story from a fan potentially concerning. The fan who wrote this has been a member of that Bills forum for 19 years, so I'm hoping he wouldn't just make this up.  "One of the beat writers was at a wedding I was at this past weekend. Not gonna say who. He 'says' that word around camp is that Elam isn’t anywhere near where the Bills had hoped in terms of starting week one or contributing." (link)  I know there have been reports that he has struggled at times, but I hadn't yet seen anything that indicates that the Bills are realizing that Elam is just not ready to contribute. Especially upsetting with reports than McDuffie has looked impressive in Chiefs camp.  Well, my girlfriend's best friend's Parrot Walker heard that the cousin of the Bills Assistant Trainer's equipment manager thinks he's right on track. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Perhaps they meant Keenum instead of Elam 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 I know we all don't want it to be true, but Elam's struggles have been reported pretty consistently since camp started. Â Can't put any stock into some unknown guy at a wedding's take, but there's enough smoke around the subject in general that it's at least partially true imo. Â Then again, that doesn't mean the Bills don't plan to use him much this season either... only that Elam has a lot of work to do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicagobills Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 He made a couple nice plays today 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I know we all don't want it to be true, but Elam's struggles have been reported pretty consistently since camp started.  Can't put any stock into some unknown guy at a wedding's take, but there's enough smoke around the subject in general that it's at least partially true imo.  Then again, that doesn't mean the Bills don't plan to use him much this season either... only that Elam has a lot of work to do. Just imagine… a rookie struggling to learn an entirely new playbook and system… we should cut him.  Pretty sure they said the same thing about Spencer Brown past year along with Ja’Marr Chase and the vast majority of other ROOKIES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I know we all don't want it to be true, but Elam's struggles have been reported pretty consistently since camp started. Â Can't put any stock into some unknown guy at a wedding's take, but there's enough smoke around the subject in general that it's at least partially true imo. Â Then again, that doesn't mean the Bills don't plan to use him much this season either... only that Elam has a lot of work to do. Â Did you watch the game today? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 41 minutes ago, Doc said: Â Did you watch the game today? Â I was pretty impressed with his play overall. Â 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 58 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I know we all don't want it to be true, but Elam's struggles have been reported pretty consistently since camp started.  Can't put any stock into some unknown guy at a wedding's take, but there's enough smoke around the subject in general that it's at least partially true imo.  Then again, that doesn't mean the Bills don't plan to use him much this season either... only that Elam has a lot of work to do.  I think it's been clear that Elam has struggled in zone coverage and doesn't look as though he's gonna make us say "Tre who?" any time soon.  OTOH, I don't think it means he's "no where near where the Bills hoped" either. If there's one position I trust our FO to evaluate and our coaches to develop, that would be CB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: We should have cut 17 after his first week of practice. Â Didn't throw a pass that hit the hospitality tent, so, No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, Beck Water said:  I think it's been clear that Elam has struggled in zone coverage and doesn't look as though he's gonna make us say "Tre who?" any time soon.  OTOH, I don't think it means he's "no where near where the Bills hoped" either. If there's one position I trust our FO to evaluate and our coaches to develop, that would be CB.  I don't disagree at all. There's no part of me that thinks he's not going to be a good player.  I just think there's been enough discussion around his struggles in this system during camp that pretending they're untrue is just wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Just imagine… a rookie struggling to learn an entirely new playbook and system… we should cut him.  Pretty sure they said the same thing about Spencer Brown past year along with Ja’Marr Chase and the vast majority of other ROOKIES. Going up against players we expect to be able to get open against the lock down corners of the league, I mean clearly not being able to do that consistently means he's terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, BigDingus said:  I don't disagree at all. There's no part of me that thinks he's not going to be a good player.  I just think there's been enough discussion around his struggles in this system during camp that pretending they're untrue is just wishful thinking. After attending a few practices....I think the coaches put Elam in spots to successfully fail. They know he is a good 1:1 cover guy so they have been tossing him in zone plays for him to get better on that aspect of his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 How could you not expect him to struggle in camp? Was he not going up against Josh freaking Allen? Give the kid time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: After attending a few practices....I think the coaches put Elam in spots to successfully fail. They know he is a good 1:1 cover guy so they have been tossing him in zone plays for him to get better on that aspect of his game.  Could be, but he's a 1st round CB just like Tre. Most of the time you expect those players to be starting or pushing to start right off the bat. And since there's currently a missing #1 CB slot to fill, that's one more space to fill. Coaches would likely be wanting him to contribute pretty quickly. McDermott was the same guy who got rid of young Ronald Darby right off the bat before he ever played a game for him, just because he was mostly a man coverage guy. Didn't give him any time to "successfully fail," or try to fit him into a new system.  Again, I think Elam will end up being good. I'm just not naively thinking all the talk about his struggles were created out of thin air. Edited August 14, 2022 by BigDingus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Rubes said:  I was pretty impressed with his play overall.  Me too. He looked solid and has a lot to learn. The game didn't look too fast for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: How could you not expect him to struggle in camp? Was he not going up against Josh freaking Allen? Give the kid time! Not to mention Diggs routinely destroys Howard on Miami and Jackson on NE who are now each paid $25 million a year because they are good. Elam is good for a rookie and hopefully in 17 games will be a great player and ready for the playoffs 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Einstein said: Â The fan who wrote this has been a member of that Bills forum for 19 years, Â Didn't think that forum existed anymore because I always got a broken link, but I see they updated the main page url. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I guess I don't know what some people expect. He's drafted 23rd overall as pretty much a press man corner with very limited zone coverage time. He joins what may be the best team in the NFL and is immediately thrown up against Diggs (a top 5 NFL WR) and Davis (potentially a top 20 NFL WR) day in and day out. Oh, and those WRs have arguably the best QB in the world throwing them the ball. He wins some battles and loses some. He struggles a bit in picking up a zone scheme but gets a little better every day.  What do you expect is going to happen? Him to come out and just dominate one of the best offenses in the NFL? He'll be fine. He won't see a better pair of WRs too often. He'll be just fine. It's just time on task at this point. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 So since Jackson and Neal didn't play, does that mean they're the starting CBs (at the moment)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailgateChef Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Airseven said: The fact Dane didn’t play suggests he’s a starter. Both Elam and Benford made a couple good plays and looked decent overall today. Good to see. Big upside, but early season is a huge concern.  Likely concussion protocol for Elam, hopefully precautionary. Liked his jib today! I saw him go to the medical tent and he looked a little unsteady. But I didn't see the collision. Was it a bad hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: So since Jackson and Neal didn't play, does that mean they're the starting CBs (at the moment)? Siran Neal is like a ST ace at this point, guy gets like 3 people blocking him on punts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Siran Neal is like a ST ace at this point, guy gets like 3 people blocking him on punts  The defense's Gilliam? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Just now, NickelCity said:  The defense's Gilliam? 🤔 I think it's kind of reversed, Neal is awesome on ST and also good depth on defense, Gilliams is a great multitool on offense this is also good on ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Siran Neal is like a ST ace at this point, guy gets like 3 people blocking him on punts  So more of a "he's a lock" than he's the starter opposite Dane, who along with Taron (the nickel, as well as Tre who is injured) didn't suit up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davefan66 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Elam played well today.  But, speed saved him a few times.  He was on the receivers hip a few times, but was out of position also.  Out of position being not playing the receiver or ball correctly.  He made up for those mistakes with speed and was able to minimize his exposure.  We will see how much he’s pushed by the opposing QB once it’s real games. I fear he could get exposed right now by a really good QB/WR.  Mostly if he’s the number 1 guy.  The dude has mucho talent for sure, just needs to be aware of the situation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I was at that wedding and even caught the garter. The beat writer was Sully. He's a terrible drunk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Elam played well today.  But, speed saved him a few times.  He was on the receivers hip a few times, but was out of position also.  Out of position being not playing the receiver or ball correctly.  He made up for those mistakes with speed and was able to minimize his exposure.  We will see how much he’s pushed by the opposing QB once it’s real games. I fear he could get exposed right now by a really good QB/WR.  Mostly if he’s the number 1 guy.  The dude has mucho talent for sure, just needs to be aware of the situation.  He needs to get more experience and it's all a part of the learning process. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Â He needs to get more experience and it's all a part of the learning process. He is good. Â Should develop into a stud. Â First NFL game, will get better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Looks good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 2 hours ago, davefan66 said: Elam played well today.  But, speed saved him a few times.  He was on the receivers hip a few times, but was out of position also.  Out of position being not playing the receiver or ball correctly.  He made up for those mistakes with speed and was able to minimize his exposure.   If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with most Elite CBs in the NFL throughout history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I’m not sure what people want from him. Yes, he was a 1st round draft pick, but he played in a man press coverage system.  He has the intangibles to make it.  He just needs to learn the Bills system.   Bews keeps coming out positively about Tre’s potential return for the Rams.  I wouldn’t doubt they place Dane on the other side for the Rams.  Elam will probably work his way into the staying role in a month or two into the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Wow if he way behind can’t wait to see what he is like when he gets up to,speed 🤣🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:  If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with most Elite CBs in the NFL throughout history I thought the same thing. Watch jalen Ramsey play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Do people think that he plays a lot like a young Stephon Gilmore what do you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Do people think that he plays a lot like a young Stephon Gilmore what do you think More like Leodis McKelvin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Needs ti improve his run support, you can't just stand there while the rest of the Bills make the tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Elam & Benford looked pretty similar to me & did a nice job (still work to do). Do we really think a street FA would look THAT much better at this point? Elam's starting & Benford's backing up week 1. IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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