Tyreek Hill says Tua is more accurate than Mahomes

[John from Riverside]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Lack of arm strength never stopped a QB from being good or improving. Decision making, accuracy, anticipation, and timing are what makes QBs. Same reason why Allen didn’t become good until he improved those areas.

Hard to do those things when you can’t stay on the field

[Ralonzo]

27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It helps though.  Anytime people have trouble understanding the limits of not having elite arm strength I just show them this.  Having an average arm limits the playbook.

 

 

Josh is 7 yards deeper and still the ball gets there noticeably quicker. What a hose.

 

Tua’s ball was definitely accurate, yes it was. Would have been right in the receivers hands if it got there.

[Scott7975]

I dont think Tua is an elite QB or anything but he is pretty accurate on his throws.  His problem is he doesnt have an arm.  Mahomes has an arm and makes a living off of broken play type throws.   Tua being more accurate?  I dont think he is but he is accurate on those short 5-10 yard type throws.

Edited June 12, 2022 by Scott7975

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

It helps though.  Anytime people have trouble understanding the limits of not having elite arm strength I just show them this.  Having an average arm limits the playbook.

 

 

Physical ability definitely helps but has very little to do with success of a QB. It’s the reason many fans wanted Josh Rosen over Josh Allen. Rosen fans didn’t think Allen could develop all the important things needed to be a successful QB.

 

Also, Tua was late on the throw. Josh wasn’t late. Josh can be late at times though with his arm but that would basically be 2019 Josh Allen. On this throw Tua is nearly throwing 2 seconds late. If that happens he’s always getting intercepted.

Edited June 12, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[MJS]

I didn't care what Hill thought before and and certainly don't now. He is an idiot. He runs real fast though, so good for him.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Tua is absolutely super accurate. I wouldn’t doubt that Hill is right. The biggest issue is Tua’s arm is about as strong as Chad Pennington’s, after all the surgeries. The guy is definitely very accurate or else he wouldn’t be in the league. His arm strength is as poor as I have ever seen and I feel like it will keep him from ever becoming a decent NFL QB.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Physical ability definitely helps but has very little to do with success of a QB. It’s the reason many fans wanted Josh Rosen over Josh Allen. Rosen fans didn’t think Allen could develop all the important things needed to be a successful QB.

 

Also, Tua was late on the throw. Josh wasn’t late. Josh can be late at times though with his arm but that would basically be 2019 Josh Allen. On this throw Tua is nearly throwing 2 seconds late. If that happens he’s always getting intercepted.

You think?  Ask Peyton Manning his final year whether his physical ability had anything to do with his success after throwing 7td's and 15int's when his arm went.  Him and Brady excelled at all those other traits you mentioned at the highest level probably ever.  On Tua's particular throw it's pry still a TD is you had Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, etc...throwing it even with the hesitation.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You think?  Ask Peyton Manning his final year whether his physical ability had anything to do with his success after throwing 7td's and 15int's when his arm went.  Him and Brady excelled at all those other traits you mentioned at the highest level probably ever.  On Tua's particular throw it's pry still a TD is you had Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, etc...throwing it even with the hesitation.

He pats the ball like 3 times before throwing. That’s an INT for any QB attempting that throw after 3 pats. Horribly late. 
 

You need some velocity. I’m not sure what Tua’s ball velocity is, but low-mid 50s is probably the minimum needed. I’m sure he’s in that range. Allen probably closer to 60+. 
 

 

Edited June 12, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[machine gun kelly]

As Foghorn Leghorn said, “we’ll I said I said from the 5 yard line maybe”.

 

Tua’s a joke.  He’ll hit Hill from 5 yards out, but that’s it.  He can’t throw a 20 yard pass to save his life.

[Ayjent]

So the Dolphins are going to try rub routes and bubble screens to Hill.  Sounds like Hill will take a beating as teams leave Strong Safety/LBs in middle zone to clean up. Hell even take a 15 yd penalty for defenseless WR to set the tone.  I think Hill is in for a rude awakening when Tua can’t extend plays like Mahomes and doesn’t get him the ball on time. We’ll see how he feels mid season about it, bc right now it’s just meaningless cheerleading. 
 

There is no question Hill opened up the Chiefs offense, but Mahomes isn’t going to suddenly suck without him. 

[whorlnut]

16 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chad Pennington was able to make it past his first read without panicking.

That’s not the point. The point is how accurate he is.
 

I don’t think Tua will ever be a complete qb or one that puts fear into us on Sundays, but accuracy has always been one of his best traits. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Good to know Tyreek's made a football and not a business decision to ditch KC for Miami. He was just upgrading at QB it had nothing to do w/ that $120 million Miami is giving him. Ok, sure Tyreek. 🙄

[Southern_Bills]

Don't worry, games will begin soon enough and the Dolphins talk will become irrelevant like them.

[Mr. WEO]

[machine gun kelly]

The problem all joking aside and it’s real easy to make jokes of Tua is the defense is going to play up as they don’t have to worry about anything deep.  Hyde and Poyer can stay back and just let our nickel CB and outside corners just blanket him. 
 

God if I was a Dolphins fan (god forbid squish the fish) I would be incensed over not taking Herbert.  That’s Ross’s fault from all reports he wanted Tua.

[JohnMurphyHamFetish]

Exactly this....

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

19 hours ago, klos63 said:

You should listen to Bills fans, we didn't even make it to the championship game, but if you listen to them, we are better than KC, Cinci and the Rams.  We lost 7 games last season, finished 1 game ahead of the Pats and 2 ahead of the Dolphins, but all off season, you could swear we are the defending champs the way the fans have acted.

Look at you go.

[Stank_Nasty]

Mahomes is absolutely gonna miss Hill bailing him out on some of the prayers he likes to heave up. 
 

Hill’s ability to track and time those balls isn’t talked about nearly enough. Without him I would guess quite a bit of those are getting picked or at the very least falling harmlessly to the turf. 
 

that being said. All this is a bad look for Hill. Just move on man. 

Edited June 12, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Tyreek seems to have an axe to grind with Reid and Mahommes.

 

He's upset that Chiefs would not sign him to a Davante Adams type deal.

 

“When the season ended, just to get to your question, we went to the team, and we basically said ‘Hey Tyreek did a contract after his third year. He’s outplayed that deal,'” Rosenhaus explained. “But, we were really far apart on the numbers. We felt strongly that Tyreek was the best receiver in football and deserved to get paid that way. They were very complimentary of Tyreek, but they were not prepared to make him the highest-paid receiver in football.

 

“Then, what happened was the Davante Adams deal got done, and I called Tyreek, and I said ‘Look, here’s a guy that’s older than you, isn’t as accomplished, in my mind, as you, in terms of all the things that Tyreek can do with the football and away from the football – his ability to stretch the defense and open things up for (Travis) Kelce. When Adams got the huge deal, I spoke to Tyreek, and we both agreed that we were going to put the pressure on the Chiefs that they were either going to do a deal like that, or it wasn’t a great fit anymore because the respect isn’t mutual if you don’t see it that way.”

 

“The crazy part is, I talked to Patrick Mahomes,” Hill said. “I talked to Andy Reid for like 30 minutes or so. I talked to both of them on the phone, I’m like ‘Hey, coach. I don’t even got to be the highest-paid, for real. I just want to be put in a realistic position that’s realistic for me and my family. I don’t got to get $30 million, at least give me $25 (million), $26 million). They wouldn’t even give me numbers even close to that.”

 

https://news.yahoo.com/tyreek-hill-drew-rosenhaus-share-122915677.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[CoudyBills]

23 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Speaking of delusional this is apparently a thing with Dolphins fans this year.

 

 

Can't wait to see Josh truck his ass.

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Tyreek seems to have an axe to grind with Reid and Mahommes.

 

He's upset that Chiefs would not sign him to a Davante Adams type deal.

 

“When the season ended, just to get to your question, we went to the team, and we basically said ‘Hey Tyreek did a contract after his third year. He’s outplayed that deal,'” Rosenhaus explained. “But, we were really far apart on the numbers. We felt strongly that Tyreek was the best receiver in football and deserved to get paid that way. They were very complimentary of Tyreek, but they were not prepared to make him the highest-paid receiver in football.

 

“Then, what happened was the Davante Adams deal got done, and I called Tyreek, and I said ‘Look, here’s a guy that’s older than you, isn’t as accomplished, in my mind, as you, in terms of all the things that Tyreek can do with the football and away from the football – his ability to stretch the defense and open things up for (Travis) Kelce. When Adams got the huge deal, I spoke to Tyreek, and we both agreed that we were going to put the pressure on the Chiefs that they were either going to do a deal like that, or it wasn’t a great fit anymore because the respect isn’t mutual if you don’t see it that way.”

 

“The crazy part is, I talked to Patrick Mahomes,” Hill said. “I talked to Andy Reid for like 30 minutes or so. I talked to both of them on the phone, I’m like ‘Hey, coach. I don’t even got to be the highest-paid, for real. I just want to be put in a realistic position that’s realistic for me and my family. I don’t got to get $30 million, at least give me $25 (million), $26 million). They wouldn’t even give me numbers even close to that.”

 

https://news.yahoo.com/tyreek-hill-drew-rosenhaus-share-122915677.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

Was coming here to post something similar. Hill seems to have some sour grapes with the Chiefs and is now taking pot shots at the Chiefs/ Reid/ Mahomes. In one interview he refused to call Mahomes by name and just said 'I spoke to Reid, I spoke to the quarterback' etc. He was also complaining about his use and volume last year.

[Mr. WEO]

Tua is a very accurate QB.  He was also the best RPO passer in the league last year.  This is what he always was in college.  The Fins are building the scheme around this.  It requires an accurate QB and fast receivers going over the middle--which is one reason they went hard at Hill.

 

Tua is what he is--and the Fins are going to roll with that.   They won 6 in a row with him in the second half of the season and 7 of the last 8.  Bills finished 5-3. He had 3 games with 80+% completions.  Only 4 QBs have had back to back 80%.  

 

May not be an easy out for the Bills this season.

[Augie]

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

The problem all joking aside and it’s real easy to make jokes of Tua is the defense is going to play up as they don’t have to worry about anything deep.  Hyde and Poyer can stay back and just let our nickel CB and outside corners just blanket him. 
 

God if I was a Dolphins fan (god forbid squish the fish) I would be incensed over not taking Herbert.  That’s Ross’s fault from all reports he wanted Tua.

 

Like Cleveland and Washington, it has to start at the top. If your owner is a meddling idiot, that’s mighty hard to overcome to achieve any real success. 

[klos63]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Tua is a very accurate QB.  He was also the best RPO passer in the league last year.  This is what he always was in college.  The Fins are building the scheme around this.  It requires an accurate QB and fast receivers going over the middle--which is one reason they went hard at Hill.

 

Tua is what he is--and the Fins are going to roll with that.   They won 6 in a row with him in the second half of the season and 7 of the last 8.  Bills finished 5-3. He had 3 games with 80+% completions.  Only 4 QBs have had back to back 80%.  

 

May not be an easy out for the Bills this season.

Now you're in trouble.

[hondo in seattle]

What's motivating Hill to make these comparisons? 

 

He's unnecessarily provocative.  He can praise Tua without mentioning Mahomes or anyone else.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

What's motivating Hill to make these comparisons? 

 

He's unnecessarily provocative.  He can praise Tua without mentioning Mahomes or anyone else.

 

Whistling past the graveyard.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Whistling past the graveyard.

 

There's some irony.

 

But how so?  He went with the money. He has a ring.  These guy don't care about the wins at this point.

[Mat68]

On 6/11/2022 at 2:40 PM, whorlnut said:

Is Hill wrong?  I don’t know that he is. Tua’s greatest strength is his ball placement. He’s a very accurate qb. He doesn’t have a strong arm like Mahomes and that’s what will ultimately hold him back. 
 

Look at Chad Pennington. Noodle arm, but accurate as heck. I think Tua is very similar. 

Under 10 yards he is right.  Past he is way wrong.  Mind you with Mahomes’ arm angles he will put the ball on Hill much quicker and in result more space.  Tua throws with less arm fluidity.  The ball may be on the money but he will operate in less space.  The plays that made Mahomes and Hill will not be as often for either.  Hill will make some plays and Mahomes will hit some people deep but not at the rate that made them lethal.

[Doc]

16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

There's some irony.

 

But how so?  He went with the money. He has a ring.  These guy don't care about the wins at this point.

 

Irony?  If not for a flub by Clay when Josh was a rookie, he would be 8-0 against them.  And if were thinking they're going to be an offensive juggernaut, I'll still put my money on Josh out-dueling them.

 

And yeah he obviously went for the money.  But it's apparent he thinks he's the reason for Mahomes' success.

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Irony?  If not for a flub by Clay when Josh was a rookie, he would be 8-0 against them.  And if were thinking they're going to be an offensive juggernaut, I'll still put my money on Josh out-dueling them.

 

And yeah he obviously went for the money.  But it's apparent he thinks he's the reason for Mahomes' success.

So what? what else is he going to chirp about?

 

The irony, of course, is that all of these Tua threads are a lot of “whistling past the graveyard”.  Why else would they exist?—how many Tua sucks threads are needed? Unless they are actually meant to convince those who keep assuring everyone he sucks that he does suck…

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So what? what else is he going to chirp about?

 

The irony, of course, is that all of these Tua threads are a lot of “whistling past the graveyard”.  Why else would they exist?—how many Tua sucks threads are needed? Unless they are actually meant to convince those who keep assuring everyone he sucks that he does suck…

 

"What else is he going to chirp about?  How about not chirping at all, making ridiculous comparisons to Tua and Mahomes until Tua proves something on the field first?

 

And no one is bringing up Tua unless something like this is brought up first.  And sure the "he sucks" is overboard, but he's not a QB that the Bills (should) fear.

[NewEra]

47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So what? what else is he going to chirp about?

 

The irony, of course, is that all of these Tua threads are a lot of “whistling past the graveyard”.  Why else would they exist?—how many Tua sucks threads are needed? Unless they are actually meant to convince those who keep assuring everyone he sucks that he does suck…

What else is he going to chirp about?  How about doing what 99% of the other guys do when they change teams.  Not make a complete fool of themselves by comparing his new QB that has accomplished and has shown very little to his old future HoF, MVP, SB MVP Qb.  
 

why do you care that there are multiple Tua hate threads exists on a Bills message board?  Poor Tua….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gobillsinytown]

Hill is doing what he's supposed to do:  Talk up his quarterback.  He has to make sure that Tua feels that his new number one WR is solidly behind him. 

 

I also agree with others here that the Fish are going to be a tough out this year.  Same with New England.  The Jets might still be a year away.

 

I still think our team wins the division, but it won't be a cakewalk.

 

  

[ExWNYer]

On 6/11/2022 at 3:38 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

Hill is just tossing off, to his new new contract. Everything to him, is beautiful, now..

 

Tua must be more accurate getting the tissues into Hill's hands...

[PrimeTime101]

Riddle me this..

 

Will Hill be top 15 WR in stats after this coming year is over with? If you think that answer is no.. or close to no... then who cares what the dude says.

[Doc]

20 minutes ago, gobillsinytown said:

Hill is doing what he's supposed to do:  Talk up his quarterback.  He has to make sure that Tua feels that his new number one WR is solidly behind him. 

 

I also agree with others here that the Fish are going to be a tough out this year.  Same with New England.  The Jets might still be a year away.

 

I still think our team wins the division, but it won't be a cakewalk.

 

Talking them up to a degree is fine.  Doing what Hill is doing, or what Webb did, is silly and asking for ridicule.  Again Hill saying "Tua is an accurate QB" is enough (just like Webb should have just said "Jones is a hard worker and very smart").

 

As for the rest of the AFC East, the Jets still aren't there, the Cheaters took a step back, and while Miami may have improved, was it enough to close the 15+ point margin of victory gap?  Stay tuned.

[Chicken Boo]

On 6/11/2022 at 2:08 PM, Azucho98 said:

Stats don't lie.  Hill is dreaming.

 

Tagovailoa's accuracy on deep balls has been one of his stronger traits early in his career. Per PFF, he ranked second in deep ball completion percentage last season (48.3%), but only attempted 29 deep passes on the year. That should change in 2022, with the acquisition of Hill -- one of the premier deep threats in the league. Last season he caught 11-of-28 deep balls for 398 yards and three scores, ranking sixth in the league with a deep ball ADOT of 34.7. In PFF's adjusted completion percentage it was Mahomes (78.3%) who ranked second in the league in 2021. Tagovailoa's adjusted completion percentage of 75.3% ranked 18th. 

 

Tua isn't as bad as many here make him out to be.  Stats are stats.  We all know who the better QB is.

[Protocal69]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Tua is a very accurate QB.  He was also the best RPO passer in the league last year.  This is what he always was in college.  The Fins are building the scheme around this.  It requires an accurate QB and fast receivers going over the middle--which is one reason they went hard at Hill.

 

Tua is what he is--and the Fins are going to roll with that.   They won 6 in a row with him in the second half of the season and 7 of the last 8.  Bills finished 5-3. He had 3 games with 80+% completions.  Only 4 QBs have had back to back 80%.  

 

May not be an easy out for the Bills this season.

Did you see the Dolphins schedule during that time. As soon as they had the play a team with a pulse they got their ass kicked ( Chargers). With that being said I spoke MONTHS ago about not sleeping on the Dolphins and I got laughed off the board. At the end of the day the Dolphins will be there own worst enemy and Tyreek podcast is the start. When Diggs came to the Bills, him and Allen didnt say anything about Football. It was only after the clicked and perform did they say ANYTHING. 

 

All Tyreek is doing is pulling more pressure and him and Tua to perform and at the same time pulling a target on his back. Call me crazy but I think Waddle is a little overrated as well. Hill is great, Gesicki is a great target but cant block and their new slot Cedric Wilson caught almost half this rececptions in 3 games. The scheme besides Hill and getting Armstead ( when he is on the field) are the biggest changes to the Dolphins offense

Edited June 13, 2022 by Protocal69

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Doc said:

 

"What else is he going to chirp about?  How about not chirping at all, making ridiculous comparisons to Tua and Mahomes until Tua proves something on the field first?

 

And no one is bringing up Tua unless something like this is brought up first.  And sure the "he sucks" is overboard, but he's not a QB that the Bills (should) fear.

 

 

Yeah, there should be some sort of rule about NFL players making stupid comments.  Good thing it's pretty rare.

 

Also:

 

 

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

What else is he going to chirp about?  How about doing what 99% of the other guys do when they change teams.  Not make a complete fool of themselves by comparing his new QB that has accomplished and has shown very little to his old future HoF, MVP, SB MVP Qb.  
 

why do you care that there are multiple Tua hate threads exists on a Bills message board?  Poor Tua….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

see above

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Did you see the Dolphins schedule during that time. As soon as they had the play a team with a pulse they got their ass kicked ( Chargers). With that being said I spoke MONTHS ago about not sleeping on the Dolphins and I got laughed off the board. At the end of the day the Dolphins will be there own worst enemy and Tyreek podcast is the start. When Diggs came to the Bills, him and Allen didnt say anything about Football. It was only after the clicked and perform did they say ANYTHING. 

 

All Tyreek is doing is pulling more pressure and him and Tua to perform and at the same time pulling a target on his back. Call me crazy but I think Waddle is a little overrated as well. Hill is great, Gesicki is a great target but cant block and their new slot Cedric Wilson caught almost half this rececptions in 3 games. The scheme besides Hill and getting Armstead ( when he is on the field) are the biggest changes to the Dolphins offense

 

They play the teams on their schedule.  No one was expecting too much from the Fins under Tua last year. They won 7 of 8 down that stretch.   The Bills, a legit SB contender, lost to a a team with no pulse (Jags), and scored 1 TD against NE, at home, in another loss. 

 

Hill is propping up his new QB in public--and Tua needs some propping up in public.  So what?