TBBills Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 The only thing I care about is to understand that in today's NFL the soft prevent defense doesn't work. I better never see it, play your defense until the game is over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/16/nfl-closes-deliberate-penalty-loophole-sort-of/ "Teams can do it once in a given game. If they do it twice, officials are expected to declare the situation to be a palpably unfair act, with a 15-yard penalty and restoration of the lost time on the clock." How many times do you think they'd have needed to do it with only 13 seconds on the clock? The point is to not be blatant about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: "Teams can do it once in a given game. If they do it twice, officials are expected to declare the situation to be a palpably unfair act, with a 15-yard penalty and restoration of the lost time on the clock." How many times do you think they'd have needed to do it with only 13 seconds on the clock? The point is to not be blatant about it. Since the chiefs had all of their timeouts, I'm guessing the Bills would have to do it more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Levi was always a stand up guy while here, imho, and won’t ever forget the cool thing he did for us fans at the start of Covid…point being, he deserves better than a bunch of shade from us at this point. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Just now, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Since the chiefs had all of their timeouts, I'm guessing the Bills would have to do it more than once. No doubt....but to my way of thinking, just about anything would be better than the strategy they chose to employ. As I said earlier these same type of strategies are used throughout sports to 'shorten' the game. I was very disappointed that they didn't try any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 "Fans aren't out there"....apparently you weren't either Levi. Why do you even bother with the boundaries when you know KC has 3 timeouts. You hand them the 25 yard line on a silver platter (McD). You know all they need is a couple of 20 yard plays. And your safeties are in deep prevent. We deserve everything that happened in that last 13 seconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Waiting for someone to blame Edmunds for the communication issues 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Not saying that Levi played it well, I agree with you Levi, you were part of the problem. That being said the coaches deserve more of the blame in those 13 seconds. The defense that was called was wrong. Levi was almost 10 yards off the line at the snap on a TE! What a joke. I don't care about him saying the comment about the fans because he was talking about how they took their communication for granted, not the fans in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Levi Wallace is the first and only Bills player or coach to stand up and take any responsibility whatsoever for 13 seconds. I don't care about the other comments because just doing that, this guy has more character than anyone else that was responsible for that inexplicable defense. I wish he still played for us. Farewell, Levi Wallace, and we thank you. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, TFBillsfan said: Sorry but not buying that. All the evidence fails squarely on the coaching staff. It isn't like the Bills haven't played this team previously and don't know their package concepts. In 2020 the Bills played the Chiefs in week in week 6 and were beaten 26-17. The Bills defensive strategy for that game was to play off the receivers while not allowing anything deep. The Chiefs countered that by running the ball 46 times for 245 and Mahomes had a modest game, 21 of 26 for 225. The Bills played them again in 2020 in the conference championship game and changed their defensive strat and were beaten 38-24. Mahomes 29 of 38 for 325, 3 TDs. In 2021 with Mahomes having a rocky start to the season following that beat down in the SB by the Bucs. The Bills played them in week 5 and beat them like a drum 38-20! The Chiefs and Mahomes eventually got their offense straightened out and finished 12-4 with home field throughout. In that 2021 playoff game against the Chiefs that supposed #1 Buffalo Bills defense gave up 552 yards of offense to the Chiefs, losing 42-36 in OT. #1 defense? Lies, damned lies and statistics! I also don't count losing Tre white with a seasone ending injury as the reason for a lot of the failures. My view is that the Bills ST coach took some heat for that kick off, he's gone.🐐 Wallace also took some heat, he's gone. 🐐 The real culprit is the is someone different! C'mon now, giving up 552 yards of offense! Playing a prevent defense for those 13 seconds. It was stunning to see the Bills defenders guarding the sidelines while the middle was wide open!! The only players on the LoS where the Bills 4 down linemen as the rest were 10-15 yards off the LoS. Josh Allen played a great game against the Chiefs, 27 of37 329, 4 passing TDs all for naught because of defensive stupidity. That Tampa Bay game, week 14. Last play, LBer Edmunds was covering a WR. He got beat, TD, end of game after such heroics by the Buffalo QB. 41-15 loss to the Colts in week 11 with hapless Carson Wentz as their QB. Why? because the Bills defense gave up 32 rushes for 185 yards, 4 TDs to Colts RB Jonathan Taylor. Some really questionable defensive play calls throughout the 2021 season that cost the team some games. Homefield. A home playoff game in Buffalo... Is the ghost of Skeletor roaming the halls at OBD? We all saw who the scapegoats ended up being. I can only hope that those "other" issues where addressed behind the scenes for the 2022 season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I mean the dude was guarding air along the sideline as if KC had no timeouts left when they had all 3 left, who else would he be blaming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 He had a very good 2021 season, but he ended up costing us the a chance at a super bowl. Just as I predicted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I am not saddened to see Wallace go. It was obvious opposing teams were going after him all the time. If Hyde doesn't make that superb pick in the playoff game, 39's back jersey would have been in another highlight, getting beat badly on a double move to tie the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: You mean....McDermott's implication that there was a reasonable play called and a failure of execution on the part of one or more players....might be correct? And that McDermott not wanting to throw a player or players under the bus publically, might actually be McDermott being a stand up guy and not a little weasel who doesn't own his own mistakes? 😱 3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: was fine up until he said "really just let us down, cause the fans arent out there". pretty tone deaf comment for a guy that spent what, 4 years here? lost focus, lack of attention to detail... wish we replaced him with someone the opposite of that, OH WAIT I didn't here it that way. The players get pretty tight with each other during the season, I think he just meant that they were hurting for each other most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I mean the dude was guarding air along the sideline as if KC had no timeouts left when they had all 3 left, who else would he be blaming? So the question is, and I'm certainly not saying that I know, is whether he was instructed to do that, or did he do it on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: What I learned from this...if any of it is true...is that the blame lies squarely on the coaching staff. They coached scared! Trust me, the players aren't calling the defense. The coaches are. What you "learned" from this is it verified despite whatever he said what you thought before. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 4 hours ago, Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin said: I think its a fair point to say that is a pretty tone deaf comment by him. It's just kinda frustrating considering how secretive the team was after that loss. No reasons were ever presented and us as fans really wanted to know what the F that was that we just witnessed in front of a national stage. It felt like we were being dismissed a bit and this comment furthers that mind set. In listening to the interview, it was almost as if he circled back to make a point out of separating the fans from the team. It was sort of an odd comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, billieve420 said: Waiting for someone to blame Edmunds for the communication issues 🤣 Had to be his fault! 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Not shocking. I still put this on coaching because obviously a key player had no idea what he was doing after a timeout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 He’s doing what winners do. He’s taking responsibility for himself and asking what he could’ve done better. He’s not pointing fingers at others, but that doesn’t mean that it was on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Levi Wallace was a 4.63 corner who was always out of position, and the coaching on this team made him look halfway decent. I’ll always remember Wallace for getting beat not turning around for the ball and either getting a flag or giving up the reception. I’m so glad we didn’t pay him!!! Edited May 4, 2022 by Dr. Football 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 5 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: was fine up until he said "really just let us down, cause the fans arent out there". pretty tone deaf comment for a guy that spent what, 4 years here? lost focus, lack of attention to detail... wish we replaced him with someone the opposite of that, OH WAIT except he’s completely right. Grow up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Tomlin is gonna like Levi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Will the Mafia & content creators ease up on Mc Dermott & Fraizer now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: except he’s completely right. Grow up So they didn't let anyone in buffalo down? He was dumb to go outta his way to say this. When josh says they know a whole city is riding on the team and he understands how important a W is to the culture... everyone here rallies that's awesome and inspiring and leadership... Levi does the opposite and it's, what, cool? Idgaf what he said, but I can't be convinced this was smart to say. It's a stupid comment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: So the question is, and I'm certainly not saying that I know, is whether he was instructed to do that, or did he do it on his own. I can't see a situation where he would have been coached to guard nobody and leave Kelce wide open in the middle of the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Do you think it might be even remotely possible that there was more blame to go around then just the coaches.......asking for a friend Or maybe, just maybe, they called timeout to make sure the whole defense knew the play call, but the defense read it incorrectly after the timeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: its just a dumb comment i didnt miss him before that, and i dont now. should be a major upgrade for us I don't see anything wrong with it. He's not saying that he didn't let the fans down. Just that what hurts him most was letting his teammates down. Nothing wrong there to my eyes. Damn shame about the lack of communication. Must have seemed in the bag. He says they had the right play called but messed it up on the field. Weird, I could have sworn it was all the coaches fault from the commenters who know much better than the players do. 9 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: So they didn't let anyone in buffalo down? He was dumb to go outta his way to say this. When josh says they know a whole city is riding on the team and he understands how important a W is to the culture... everyone here rallies that's awesome and inspiring and leadership... Levi does the opposite and it's, what, cool? Idgaf what he said, but I can't be convinced this was smart to say. It's a stupid comment He didn't say that. And if you don't GAF what he said, maybe you shouldn't be all worried about it. Fair enough that it wasn't particularly smart. Nothing especially wrong with it either, though. Edited May 5, 2022 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 9 hours ago, BBills88 said: Will the Mafia & content creators ease up on Mc Dermott & Fraizer now? Why let better info stand in the way of a good narrative that produces a scapegoat on the sidelines? Grab the pitchforks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Big Turk said: I mean the dude was guarding air along the sideline as if KC had no timeouts left when they had all 3 left, who else would he be blaming? He could blame who everyone else has ... nobody, we don't want to go into specifics. This was a high character move. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Big Turk said: I can't see a situation where he would have been coached to guard nobody and leave Kelce wide open in the middle of the field Exactly. That’s why I always believed a player messed up. BUT I’m not putting this on Levi completely because Poyer or Hyde also could’ve told Levi to tighten up. Milano could’ve told Levi to tighten up. The Bills players weren’t ready. They likely were all thinking Hill is getting the ball. I still blame coaching because that confusion shouldn’t have happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Wallace was guarding the sideline and did a great job of making sure the sideline didn't move. As for playing defense, not so much. I think his screwups during the 13 seconds and then after the Chiefs won the coin toss were the final straw for the Bills management, which has wanted to move on from Wallace for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I credit Levi for starting with the man in the mirror. There was still a lot that should have been done differently in those 13 seconds from calls to time out usage etc, but that interview is a stark reminder that as Chan Gailey once said "plays are more fun than fundamentals, but fundamentals are more important than plays." The Bills secondary just lost sight of their fundamentals on communication and adjusting to the look. They had basically told themselves don't get beat deep and focused there rather than just playing the down on its merits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 He is and will continue to be one of my favorite Bills of this era (though there are many to love on this team). Not just for what he did on the field (which I think was solid at worst and pretty damn good overall), but because of how he earned the chance to make the team and earned the chance to start. Because of how he prepared and dedicated himself to the team. Because of the odds he overcame to earn the chance. And for posting his cell number and taking every fans call about the Bills during the pit of the pandemic - gave me something to do and cheered me up. Thanks Levi, go get 'em in Pittsburgh, just not against us! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Meh. The last thing I want to do is re-live the end of that game. They blew it because they feared the big play. On to this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Utah John said: Wallace was guarding the sideline and did a great job of making sure the sideline didn't move. As for playing defense, not so much. I think his screwups during the 13 seconds and then after the Chiefs won the coin toss were the final straw for the Bills management, which has wanted to move on from Wallace for years. Don’t forget the Hill TD. He allowed Hill inside when it was obvious Wallace was defending inside with inside technique. Unacceptable, doesn’t matter who the WR is. Can’t let him win inside if you’re guarding inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Exactly. That’s why I always believed a player messed up. BUT I’m not putting this on Levi completely because Poyer or Hyde also could’ve told Levi to tighten up. Milano could’ve told Levi to tighten up. The Bills players weren’t ready. They likely were all thinking Hill is getting the ball. I still blame coaching because that confusion shouldn’t have happened. He claimed he trusted them form playing over the last 4 years to know where they would be and he never glanced back to see where they were prior to the play but if he would have, he would have noticed they weren't where he expected them to be and likely would have played it differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 12 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: So they didn't let anyone in buffalo down? He was dumb to go outta his way to say this. When josh says they know a whole city is riding on the team and he understands how important a W is to the culture... everyone here rallies that's awesome and inspiring and leadership... Levi does the opposite and it's, what, cool? Idgaf what he said, but I can't be convinced this was smart to say. It's a stupid comment No they did not “let us down.” They lost the game, whatever, move on. The fact you think these men owe us fans anything is infantile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42Knuck Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 While I appreciate Levi's accountability here, I doubt it's all on him. I'm sure many factors are in play, with scheme most likely being the highest on the list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 18 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I’ll try to find the article number…I am 100% certain you cannot do that anymore for a few years now. It was the same year the ravens intentionally got a bunch of offensive holds on a punt a few times in a row to run out the game clock belichick did it to the jets I believe also and giggled like a schoolgirl then someone did it to him and he looked so sad haha They could have and should have done it on 1st down. You can do it once and get away with it. 2+ times is a penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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