Jordan Poyer changes agents

[Governor]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

 I think you've got to find a way.  It takes a long time to develop TE's.  If we move off Edmunds & Poyer, that probably allows us to get it done. 

That’s gotta be the plan. I think I’ll like this roster a lot more when the dust settles.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1. Knox, 2. Poyer, 3. Singletary, 4. Edmunds

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Didn’t he just get a new deal last year?

 

Spotrac shows him as signing in 2020, but for a 2 year deal that expires AFTER this season, so...unsure

I think he signed in 2020 for 3 years.

 

Poyer is currently the 5th (or 6th) highest cap hit on the Bills at $10.78M, with only Tre' White, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, and Dion Dawkins (and presumably Diggs) paid more.  He only has $1M signing bonus, so most of that is new cash.

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Didn’t he just get a new deal last year?

He got a 2 year extension 2 years ago so it kind of makes sense for him to be looking again.

4 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

1. Knox, 2. Poyer, 3. Singletary, 4. Edmunds

0.Oliver

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Poyer will be gone. Ik people don’t want to hear it but paying 2 safeties the amount of cap they do is not manageable as some of these contracts continue to balloon. They are also both 30+ their has to be a plan in place. Unless they think Damar Hamlin is that guy then they have to draft one high

 

Just a little note that the Bills picked up both Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer when their original teams didn't want them.

So there is a third option, which is inking under-rated talent from another team.

[Logic]

9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Hey, I saw this very comment on Twitter

That was probably me 😆

[Awwufelloff]

I prefer veteran safetys to rookies. I'd rather draft CB/DB high vs safety high. Speed declines over time and speed is more important at the DB position then safety.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He got a 2 year extension 2 years ago so it kind of makes sense for him to be looking again.

 

I looked it up and Poyer signed a 2 year extension in 2020, prior to the last year of his contract in Buffalo.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/3/18/21184871/full-contract-details-of-jordan-poyers-2020-buffalo-bills-extension

He restructured in 2021.

 

So yes, it typically does make sense for a player and team to start talking about a new contract prior to the last year of their existing contract.

 

 

Rachel Bush got salty when the Bills signed Von Miller:

https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/03/16/rachel-bush-seems-bitter-about-von-miller-stealing-he-husband-jordan-poyers-spotlight-in-buffalo-pics/

 

 

 

[TheBrownBear]

43 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yes. Name me 10 better.

 

 

Kelce

Waller

Andrews 

Gronk

Henry

Kittle

Goedert

Pitts

Gesicki

Schultz

Hockenson

Fant

 

All of the above are arguably better than Knox.  And don't get me wrong, I like Knox and want to hold on to him.  As it is right now, he's a quality NFL starting tight end.   But as the other poster said, he needs to take the next step to be top-10 at the position.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Rachel Bush after seeing Diggs get a new contract:

 

"See, they just paid Stefon big money, blahbiddy, blah, blah, blah-blah, blah, blah

Plus Rosenhaus.... PRICELESS!! 

[NewEra]

42 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

When was last time the Bills got a comp pick?  The idea that the Bills will get a LOT of comp picks seems ludicrous.

When was the last time we were so stacked that we couldn’t afford great players in FA?  Gilmore?  
 

I agree, we won’t get a LOT of comp picks…..we may be able to get one for losing Edmunds.  I don’t foresee us signing a bunch of high value free agents next year,  but rather some settle/Crowder type deals. Not sure we sign someone with the market value of Edmunds.  
 

i could see us getting a 3rd or 4th….which is what we’d probably get now if we traded him. I’d rather have edmunds this season rather than trade him for a 4th

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

He can change agents all he wants,  I don't see Beane throwing him some monster guaranteed money extension. If he chooses to stay he will need to give the Bills a team friendly deal or move on at his age.

[Your Brown Eye]

Great pick-up, one of the original OG's that helped change the culture around Buffalo, but at the same time, better to let a player go one year too early than too late.

[TheBrownBear]

43 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said:

These players are annoying. They have big money agents negotiating contracts for them, squeezing every penny out of the team they can and then whine a short time later about the contract that they signed willingly. 

 

Just like the rest of the free market, prices go up.  Can the guy who sold you a house last year come back and ask for more money because real estate prices went up? 

 

It’s getting really dumb. 

Eh, it's a free market.  They have the right to try and renegotiate and the team has the right to tell them to pound sand, which is likely what will happen in this case.  Poyer is a top-5 safety, imo, and I have no problem with him asking to be paid like one.

[aristocrat]

What’s he worth? A third maybe?  Can we offer him to move up in the first? Doubt it. Maybe we swap seconds throwing him in and move up in the second pretty far with a team that has two like the Seahawks? 

[PrimeTime101]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Eh, it's a free market.  They have the right to try and renegotiate and the team has the right to tell them to pound sand, which is likely what will happen in this case.  Poyer is a top-5 safety, imo, and I have no problem with him asking to be paid like one.

I love me some Poyer but top 5? no. Top 10? yes!

[ndirish1978]

39 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Hey, I saw this very comment on Twitter

 

Correct, this is a regurgitation of a Jon Scott tweet

[Logic]

25 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Kelce

Waller

Andrews 

Gronk

Henry

Kittle

Goedert

Pitts

Gesicki

Schultz

Hockenson

Fant

 

All of the above are arguably better than Knox.  And don't get me wrong, I like Knox and want to hold on to him.  As it is right now, he's a quality NFL starting tight end.   But as the other poster said, he needs to take the next step to be top-10 at the position.

 

Like I told the other poster, I’d agree that about 8 of the guys you listed are better than Knox.

I do not think that Schultz, Gesicki, or Fant are better than Knox. And I realize that they had more receiving yardage in 2021, but opportunity (targets) needs to be taken into account.

 

I’d certainly say Knox is toward the back end of the top 10. 9th or 10th. But I stand by my “top 10” opinion. Also, unlike some of those mentioned ahead of him, Knox’s best football is still ahead of him. His arrow id still pointing up.

[ndirish1978]

Getting really tired of all these simps on twitter white knighting poyer and saying he deserves to be paid more and tagging Bush? Absolute creeps.

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

Getting really tired of all these simps on twitter white knighting poyer and saying he deserves to be paid more and tagging Bush? Absolute creeps.

Delete Twitter.  Nothing good comes from that bull####

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Plus Rosenhaus.... PRICELESS!! 

 

Why "Rosenhaus....PRICELESS!!"?

 

[BuffaloRebound]

interesting timing.  one things for sure, we can’t keep paying our back 7 on defense this kind of money.  If the choice is paying Edmunds or Poyer, I fear McBeane picks Edmunds because he’s younger and faster.  

[4BillsintheBurgh]

49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Just a little note that the Bills picked up both Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer when their original teams didn't want them.

So there is a third option, which is inking under-rated talent from another team.

So would you consider them the guards of the defense? 😁

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Logic said:

 And I realize that they had more receiving yardage in 2021, but opportunity (targets) needs to be taken into account.

 

Something else needs to be taken into account, which is:

 

are these TE all true all-around TE, or are they essentially large WR who are seldom asked to block in-line or even downfield?

 

It's my understanding the answer to that is "no"

 

2 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

So would you consider them the guards of the defense? 😁

 

You'd have to ask someone else that question

[716er]

Beane said he wanted to get faster on defense but hasn’t done so yet.

 

Only one open position remains on defense to get faster at - CB #2. It’s logical Beane could want to move one of the safeties to get younger and faster at that position. 

Edited April 6, 2022 by 716er

[4BillsintheBurgh]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You'd have to ask someone else that question

Seems like it to me.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, 716er said:

Beane said he wanted to get faster on defense but hasn’t done so yet.

 

Only one open position remains on defense to get faster at - CB #2. It’s logical Beane could want to move one of the safeties to get younger and faster at that position. 

 

I believe Beane may consider the changes on DL to involve speed upgrades.

 

Miller is for sure faster than Hughes or Addison.

 

We'll see about the DTs, though at one point BigJ9797 faster than Vernon Butler

[716er]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I believe Beane may consider the changes on DL to involve speed upgrades.

 

Miller is for sure faster than Hughes or Addison.

 

We'll see about the DTs, though at one point BigJ9797 faster than Vernon Butler

I assumed Beane meant guys who could keep up with speed wideouts but you are right the dline is probably faster.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

Seems like it to me.

 

You're entitled to your viewpoint, but not to put words in my mouth.  Please review and be absolutely certain that's not what you're doing here.

 

Neither Hyde nor Poyer were consistent starters on their prior teams, much less "all pro", when they signed here.

 

My point here, is that it's not a case of our options being to either resign Poyer or draft a safety high.  It's possible to sign players in FA or even trade late round picks for a player, and develop them.

[Chaos]

42 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

interesting timing.  one things for sure, we can’t keep paying our back 7 on defense this kind of money.  If the choice is paying Edmunds or Poyer, I fear McBeane picks Edmunds because he’s younger and faster.  

We must avoid younger and faster defenders at all costs. 

[SectionC3]

40 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

So would you consider them the guards of the defense? 😁

Yes.  Guard and safety are the two easiest positions to play. 

[Malazan]

7 minutes ago, Chaos said:

We must avoid younger and faster defenders at all costs. 

 

..and trade Olofsson

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Why "Rosenhaus....PRICELESS!!"?

 

Two very vociferous people, Rachel/Drew

[YoloinOhio]

They need to draft one this year or next whether poyer stays or goes given the age of both safeties.  Can’t see it being before the 3rd though, this regime has not drafted a non premium position in the first 2 rounds outside of edmunds and he was drafted to be the QB of the defense. Also depends on what their assessment is for Jaquan Johnson. 

[Motor26]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They need to draft one this year or next whether poyer stays or goes given the age of both safeties.  Can’t see it being before the 3rd though, this regime has not drafted a non premium position in the first 2 rounds outside of edmunds and he was drafted to be the QB of the defense. Also depends on what their assessment is for Jaquan Johnson. 

Give Dax Hill a shot at outside corner and if he ends up not being able to do it (I think he can personally), he could take over for Poyer.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

His documentary is absolutely unwatchable. Love the guy, love his story, but holy crap it's badddddd.

[junior]

6 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

His documentary is absolutely unwatchable. Love the guy, love his story, but holy crap it's badddddd.

 

I didn't see it. What's the basic gist of it?

[Momma Pecoraro]

11 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

His documentary is absolutely unwatchable. Love the guy, love his story, but holy crap it's badddddd.

Rachel fired the screenwriter then inserted 'Let's go!" wherever there was dialogue.

[Htt2821]

I met Rosenhaus this past November at a Thanksgiving Meal giveaway I set up, nice guy but could definitey tell he had other things on his mind. 
 

He was there repping a highly touted college baseball player for a feel good news story (hello NIL benefits). 

[Airseven]

This off-season is bananas. Can’t blame anyone for wanting in on the action.

 

Better to trade Poyer now than extend him. Ideally, he plays this year and then walks next spring.