BrainwashedBillsFan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Let’s trade down and get one of the top corners no? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I dont understand how any of this works.....my math is broken We won’t know until we see the entire contract, but the idea is that the Bears had a little over 8.8 million for the first 2 years - so if split evenly- 4.4 in year 1 would be his cost. Currently the Bills had to save a placeholder for his Tendered money of 2.8 million in the salary cap. So they new deal would only add the difference between 4.4 (new cost) and 2.8 already accounted for. So an increase of around 2 million depending upon the final contract numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I dont understand how any of this works.....my math is broken The tender he was under already counted against the cap so only the difference between the two is being added. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: We won’t know until we see the entire contract, but the idea is that the Bears had a little over 8.8 million for the first 2 years - so if split evenly- 4.4 in year 1 would be his cost. Currently the Bills had to save a placeholder for his Tendered money of 2.4 million in the salary cap. So they new deal would only add the difference between 4.4 (new cost) and 2.4 already accounted for. So an increase of around 2 million depending upon the final contract numbers. FYP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Clearly we are trading Josh Allen for Baker Mayfield. It's true I seen Baker at Tempo😢....must be a done deal😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said: Let’s trade down and get one of the top corners no? A couple teams in front of us need them too. Would not be smart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said: Let’s trade down and get one of the top corners no? You'd have to trade UP actually. I see only 4 worth pick 25 or higher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 What would the Bills be paying him if they had offered him a second-round tender? Just wondering if that was just a flat-out mistake not to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, finn said: What would the Bills be paying him if they had offered him a second-round tender? Just wondering if that was just a flat-out mistake not to. $3.98M for 1 year. Then he'd be a UFA next season with a good chance he gets a bigger deal than he did here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 If Bates turns out to be a good starter, this is a solid deal. If he plays great, we got a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: At this point I'd be surprised if our 1st round pick is anything other than CB or WR. That seems to be where the need will match the value. Yep, fill the CB void, add a solid new/cheap guy to the WR room…….and move to the NFC and we have NAILED the off-season! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Slot Bates at RG and let's get to work!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, finn said: What would the Bills be paying him if they had offered him a second-round tender? Just wondering if that was just a flat-out mistake not to. I believe the figure was $3.9M. Beane lost the battle........that shouldn't be contested..........but if Bates pans out he will have won the war. My big issue with letting Bates walk is that it's so often lamented that even early drafted OL stink for the first few years in the league............so losing Bates on the cheap only to have to replace him with an early pick after you spent all that time seasoning him would have been a SMH situation. (Actual footage of Bates being seasoned) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Final grades on this situation will be pending the contract details, but I have to say it looks like a minor mistake on Beane's part to not go for the 2nd rd tender. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff1954 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 The Pegulas have really opened the purse strings. We are really going for it this year before Josh’s contract means a fair bit of shedding other players. Two CB’s and a WR or pass-catching RB in first three rounds of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Steptide said: So does that mean bates has to sign back with the bills? Or does he have the option to sign with bears also No, the whole point of the "right of first refusal" is if the Bills match the Bears offer, he has to sign with the Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Very happy with this Bates didnt just come in and fix our line towards the end of the year....the position flex he offers is so valuable......can play all the guard spots AND center without missing a beat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Final grades on this situation will be pending the contract details, but I have to say it looks like a minor mistake on Beane's part to not go for the 2nd rd tender. It will be interesting. IF he plays really good this year we'll have him locked in for a bit. Still, def a gamble and something that could backfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Oh, thank god, our long national nightmare is finally over. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, 17islongenough said: The chicken wing is back! If this hasn't been posted elsewhere, Here is the place 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, finn said: What would the Bills be paying him if they had offered him a second-round tender? Just wondering if that was just a flat-out mistake not to. About 3.9 million - maybe 0.5 million less, but then he would be a FA next year and would have a full year of tape in Kromers system. A 2nd round tender would have been the absolute stupidest thing for the Bills to do. There was never a reason to use the 2nd round tender - long term that was always going to be the costliest decision. The ideal would of been to get a long term deal done before tendering him, but there was no reason for the Bates camp to do that. The next best option was exactly what Beane did - it was textbook for handling the situation. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Glad we kept him. Prefer we keep our own guys than shop for guys that may not be as good. I wonder why the Bears didn’t front load the contract more? Seems another 1 to 1.5 million this year may have tipped the scales to the Bears. Glad it worked out for us though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just wanted to point out that the Bills have really transitioned to a highly athletic offensive line this offseason. Every guy in the starting five posted good to great RAS scores. Dawkins was the lowest at 7.63. The rest, if I'm not mistaken, all posted 9+. Saffold is a former tackle and moves like it. Morse is one of the better and more mobile pass blocking centers in the league. Bates is a former tackle and moves like it. Spencer Brown is an athletic freak. Whether the Bills lean fully into the zone blocking scheme or continue with some of the pin-and-pull stuff they got into late last year, look for them to take full advantage of the elite athleticism of their offensive line this year. Almost makes you wonder if they're thinking of pairing a speedy new running back with this retooled, athletic line in order to take fuller advantage of its talents... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Magox said: Maybe, maybe not. There was a lot of hand-wringing over Beane not tendering Bates at the 2nd round, $3.986M level. He tenders him at that, it's a 1-year deal and the Bills go through this all over again next year, likely losing him because they can't tender/match. For about $250K more a year (than the 2nd round tender) and $1M more total, he got him locked-up for 3 additional years. He played this perfectly. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: 7-8M is pretty nuts for a guy like Bates. He’s started 5 games and didn’t grade out very well. Since it's being reported as $8.8M total guaranteed for a 4 year deal, I think it's safe to say that it's not $7-8M this season. 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: So how bad does the decision to not put a second round tender on Bates seem now? Curious if folks think this 4 year contract at 17M is a better outcome than that. So let's walk through this. Can we call the 2nd round tender at $3.98M a $4M contract for 1 year? 1) Bills give Bates 1 year, 2nd round tender. Bates makes $4M this year. If he plays and plays well, next year he goes out and gets PAID 2) Bills give Bates right of first refusal tender (lowest - lower than original round). Bates goes out and negotiates 4 year contract for $4.25M/yr. If he plays and plays well, Bills have him locked up for 3 more years at a very reasonable price. Which is better, over the long term? Course, we have to see the details yet. But it wouldn't surprise me if Beane has kept our cap space small to snooker Da Bears into thinking they didn't have to go very high before we'd fold and not match. 3 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigantall Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Everyone saying widereceiver and cornerback we need a stud who can play mike linebacker. But cornerback definitely first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: There was a lot of hand-wringing over Beane not tendering Bates at the 2nd round, $3.986M level. He tenders him at that, it's a 1-year deal and the Bills go through this all over again next year, likely losing him because they can't tender/match. For about $250K more a year (than the 2nd round tender) and $1M more total, he got him locked-up for 3 additional years. He played this perfectly. As I said all along.. Beane loves to let other teams do the work for him. Beane absolutely knows what Bates market value is now.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Good move to keep Bates in the fold, at worst He is an ok starter and great depth and tremendous versatility. The cost isn’t too bad either. Love keeping more players in house. My dream ending to the off season would be to resign D Williams for depth along the Oline and a veteran corner then hit CB at pick 25 and just go BPA the rest of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Doc said: There was a lot of hand-wringing over Beane not tendering Bates at the 2nd round, $3.986M level. He tenders him at that, it's a 1-year deal and the Bills go through this all over again next year, likely losing him because they can't tender/match. For about $250K more a year (than the 2nd round tender) and $1M more total, he got him locked-up for 3 additional years. He played this perfectly. I think it will end up being better because I believe that abates will be the long-term answer but I also believe that Beane would have liked to have seen him play more before committing to this sort of contract. Both things can be true at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Did Beane the Wizard just play the Bears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Logic said: Just wanted to point out that the Bills have really transitioned to a highly athletic offensive line this offseason. Every guy in the starting five posted good to great RAS scores. Dawkins was the lowest at 7.63. The rest, if I'm not mistaken, all posted 9+. Saffold is a former tackle and moves like it. Morse is one of the better and more mobile pass blocking centers in the league. Bates is a former tackle and moves like it. Spencer Brown is an athletic freak. Whether the Bills lean fully into the zone blocking scheme or continue with some of the pin-and-pull stuff they got into late last year, look for them to take full advantage of the elite athleticism of their offensive line this year. Almost makes you wonder if they're thinking of pairing a speedy new running back with this retooled, athletic line in order to take fuller advantage of its talents... Thank God. Goodbye Bobby Johnson. That guy has held some of these guys back. I have enjoyed bursting the bubble of my Giant friends who are excited about him and Feliciano. And just to add, having a line with 4 former left tackles starting is a great way to do business when u have a star QB and want to throw a lot. And it would be five. The only reason Brown is a RT is because Trevor Penning. Edited March 28, 2022 by MrEpsYtown 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, DapperCam said: So we have... Dawkins - Saffold - Morse - ? - Brown And the question mark could be Ford, Bates, or Boettger? I'm guessing the plan is for Bates to replace Saffold next year. I agree, and think OL is still in play at 25 if it's the BPA and the Rd.1 CBs and WRs are gone. Having a solid line with some continuity would be a huge upgrade for the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I've always believed in Bates. He's so quick off the snap and using his hands. This a great signing....he's only gonna get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) Feels like we avoided another Wyatt Teller situation, nicely played Mr Beane Edited March 28, 2022 by buffalo2218 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, buffalo2218 said: Feels like we avoided another Wyatt Teller situation, nicely play Mr Beane My thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Final grades on this situation will be pending the contract details, but I have to say it looks like a minor mistake on Beane's part to not go for the 2nd rd tender. I thought the 2nd round tender made sense, but I don’t pretend to really understand this stuff, or care enough to try. I trust in Beane, but sometimes you roll the dice and it doesn’t go the way you hoped. If it was a mistake, I’m not sure where it stands on a scale of 1-10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: You'd have to trade UP actually. I see only 4 worth pick 25 or higher. Ahhh yes, trade up. Thank you for clarifying. Let’s just get best player available yes yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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