Tyreek seeking a trade [Now: Traded to the Dolphins]

[Punching Bag]

10 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Why is Beane sleeping? Come on do something lol 

 

What should he do IrnMiden? Mail you a paper bag?

 

 

[Sharky7337]

 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

This makes the Dolphins better this year and hurts them over the mid term with the lost picks. Hill is talented but I think he'll do worse without Mahomes and without Andy Reid. Mahomes is not a fake and neither is Reid as a coach.

 

Yeah, I'm not convinced this is good news for the 'phins.   They're spending a lot of money - a lot of cap space they now can't spend on other players.   And they gave up some good picks that might have become good players.    And I've got to wonder if - to a certain extent - Hill's talent is wasted with Tua under center.

 

With Hill, Miami is instantly better, scarier.  But I'm not sure I would have made this trade if I was the GM.  

[Big Blitz]

 

^^ A good fantasty football follow

[YoloinOhio]

 

[HappyDays]

10 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I think it is a terrible idea to give up premier assets AND pay a WR who is 28 (predicated on speed) QB money.   Also add in the volatility of the individual.  Terrible

 

One of the few trades where I think it is bad for both sides. The Chiefs should be maximizing their Super Bowl window right now. The Dolphins should be accumulating draft capital to trade up for a QB in 2023 if needed.

[dhgold]

Credit to the Raiders for a strategic masterstroke. By acquiring Davonte Adams and signing him to a mega deal, they gave themselves the best three-deep receiving corps in the league while their above-average QB is playing for below-average pay. It seems like Adams' contract made it untenable for the Chiefs to extend/keep Hill. Within a week the Raiders acquired the two-years-running PFF top rated receiver and forced the most explosive weapon in the league out of their division.

 

Meanwhile, Dolphins get demerits for strategic stupidity. Trading for Hill seems like the Dolphins' version of the Bills trading up to draft Sammy Watkins. Apparently they think it will make them a contender but I doubt anyone else does. However it seems like the trade for Hill would give the Dolphins a puncher's chance in any given game. It would just suck if the Bills miss out on home field advantage because Hill, in an otherwise disappointing for the Dolphins season, manages to have one or two game-changing lightning bolt plays against the Bills.

Edited March 24, 2022 by dhgold

[TheWeatherMan]

So Miami is going all in with Tua?  I don’t get it, you have to build off a franchise QB and they have two backups in the roster.  They have 3 awesome WRs, two great CBs and a drastically improved OL.  Problem is, they have no QB.  I don’t get why the Phins would push all their chips into the center of the table this year.  

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

So Miami is going all in with Tua?  I don’t get it, you have to build off a franchise QB and they have two backups in the roster.  They have 3 awesome WRs, two great CBs and a drastically improved OL.  Problem is, they have no QB.  I don’t get why the Phins would push all their chips into the center of the table this year.  

 

Don't ask, don't tell.  Shhhhhhh ....

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Now just keep team doctors away from him.

And that wasn't even a good game for Josh. This trade will be terrible for both teams.  KC will no longer have a speed deep threat. And Tua doesn't have the arm to get it to Hill. Plus Miami will now be cap strapped. Love this offseason. 

Chiefs will be fine.   I’m sure they will draft some WR speed.  Will they be as good as Hill?  Don’t need to be for them to be effective.  

[Big Blitz]

46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Football is not the NBA.  

 

You can't put these elite guys together and expect titles without 

 

1.  Strong management and Head Coach 

 

2. An elite alpha QB 

 

3. Winning culture 

 

The Rams were lucky they drew who they did in the playoffs much like the Bucs the year prior.  Then drew a novice young group in the SB where the Bucs drew a depleted Chiefs oline.  And feasted.  

 

I think what the Dolphins have here on Offense is the equivalent to the Bills defenses of 2013-2014.  And too many new pieces on that O.  Stafford joined a top HC that's been to a SB...had a #1 WR and elite number 2.  

 

Miami has a great defense against Mediocre offenses and meh vs good ones.  And not good against elite ones.  And with Flores gone I don't know what the D will look like.  

 

The things I think that will go wrong:

 

Peak Hill was a result of Reid/Mahomes/Kelce.  He won't get those 60 yard Mahomes dimes here.   He'll get frustrated at all the dump offs to Waddle and 25 carries a game for Mostart and Edmonds.  That alone is going to hit the WR production.  And cap their point totals.  Armstead won't stay healthy.  Neither will Mostart and lol Edmonds.  

 

And their D takes a step back.  

 

Dolphins go 10-7.  Maybe squeak in.  But I will need to see the schedule first.  I think they get 3-4 wins vs the Pats and Jets.  Maybe.  Then they'll need 7 or 8 more. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by Big Blitz

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

One of the few trades where I think it is bad for both sides. The Chiefs should be maximizing their Super Bowl window right now. The Dolphins should be accumulating draft capital to trade up for a QB in 2023 if needed.

Actually this draft is DEEP with WR talent and the Chiefs now have 2 1st rd picks and if wanted to could draft 2 WR.. and have them under rookie contracts for 5 years w Mahomes..  

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Actually this draft is DEEP with WR talent and the Chiefs now have 2 1st rd picks and if wanted to could draft 2 WR.. and have them under rookie contracts for 5 years w Mahomes..  

 

Cool. None of them are Tyreek Hill. He is a generational talent that completely changed the way defenses were able to play them. Mahomes isn't going to turn into a pumpkin but Hill was a core part of their identity.

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by HappyDays

[Shake_My_Head]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Cool. None of them are Tyreek Hill. He is a generational talent that completely chanted the way defenses were able to play them. Mahomes isn't going to turn into a pumpkin but Hill was a core part of their identity.

They still have Mahones.   Like Brady in NE, that can make adequate / good WRs perform well above the norm.   

 

With lots of cap room and draft capital, KC will still be good.   How good in the new AFC West, well, we'll just have to see.    But I have no doubt they'll be better than the Fins with Tua at QB. 

[Awwufelloff]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

So Miami is going all in with Tua?  I don’t get it, you have to build off a franchise QB and they have two backups in the roster.  They have 3 awesome WRs, two great CBs and a drastically improved OL.  Problem is, they have no QB.  I don’t get why the Phins would push all their chips into the center of the table this year.  

Didn't they win their last 7 games last year? They have a good defense and should have a decent offense. Can easily see them making wildcard next season.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Shake_My_Head said:

They still have Mahones.   Like Brady in NE, that can make adequate / good WRs perform well above the norm.   

 

With lots of cap room and draft capital, KC will still be good.   How good in the new AFC West, well, we'll just have to see.    But I have no doubt they'll be better than the Fins with Tua at QB. 

 

They will definitely still be a really good team. They'll add another WR by trading or drafting one. But they're not replacing Hill's impact on defensive schemes. There's no minimizing this loss. It could end up changing their entire offensive philosophy.

[beebe]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

One of the few trades where I think it is bad for both sides. The Chiefs should be maximizing their Super Bowl window right now. The Dolphins should be accumulating draft capital to trade up for a QB in 2023 if needed.

 

If the Chiefs kept Tyreek, they were handcuffed. They already lost CB Ward, and are likely about to lose S Mathieu. The front 4 needs work. The secondary needs work. The defense needs to add depth all over. Signing Tyreek would have kept the offense at the same level for another year, but the defense would have gotten wrecked, particularly against an AFC where almost every offense got significantly better - especially in the AFC West. 

 

Even if the Chiefs were to put the best possible team on the field this year, with little regard to future years, they'd be flipping a coin on getting to the AFC title game. Winning the division is going to be brutal. They'll almost certainly be playing a Rd 1 playoff game (Bills are big favorites to earn 1-seed). KC's path to a Super Bowl will likely be something like this:

 

vs Colts

vs Broncos/Chargers

at Bills

 

That's like a 65% chance, a 55% chance, and a 45% chance at victory. Just to get to the Super Bowl. 

 

The Chiefs will remain contenders, and will be able to do more than almost any other team in the next few offseasons considering the cap space they just cleared and the flexibility they now have, to say nothing of the draft capital accumulated.

[Warcodered]

 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

So Miami is going all in with Tua?  I don’t get it, you have to build off a franchise QB and they have two backups in the roster.  They have 3 awesome WRs, two great CBs and a drastically improved OL.  Problem is, they have no QB.  I don’t get why the Phins would push all their chips into the center of the table this year.  

It’s time to win in Miami.  Simple.

 

2020 - 1 win over Buffalo to make playoffs.

2021 - 1 win over Buffalo to win division.

 

They are looking for a split against Buffalo.  1 win.  Hill might be that piece to give them that 1 win…with of course a whole new team/offensive energy philosophy with McDaniel.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, beebe said:

If the Chiefs kept Tyreek, they were handcuffed. They already lost CB Ward, and are likely about to lose S Mathieu. The front 4 needs work. The secondary needs work. The defense needs to add depth all over.

 

How does trading him at this point in the offseason help their defense? The big defensive free agents are off the market. The most optimistic outlook you can have about this trade is that they'll take a temporary step back this year and use the acquired assets to rebuild the team for the future. There us no way you can spin this trade as helping the Chiefs in 2022. They didn't even get any particularly valuable picks out of it. When I first heard about the trade I assumed they would get a top 16 pick and take Jameson Williams or Chris Olave, and that would be something you could put a positive spin on. Instead they got some picks that can be used to build the depth of the team, in exchange for a game changing elite talent. Give me the game changing elite talent over the depth every time.

[Shake_My_Head]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

It could end up changing their entire offensive philosophy.

If it does, it does.    There are many ways to win when you have a QB like Mahones.     Same could be said of the Bills if you remove Diggs from the equation.    In Josh (and Beane) we trust.

[HappyDays]

10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

Rodgers had Driver, then Jordan Melson, then Devonte. Wilson had the Legion of boom.

 

Not sure these examples are making the point you think.

[HappyDays]

20 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Same could be said of the Bills if you remove Diggs from the equation. 

 

Of course. If we lost Diggs without a comparable replacement waiting in the wings it would hurt us badly. But I think losing Hill hurts the Chiefs even more. He was the linchpin of their offensive scheme. Case in point if you remove Hill from the Chiefs last year, no question in my mind we make it to the AFCCG at the very least.

 

I'm a big believer in the snowball effect of adding premium talent. Adding Diggs didn't just give us a top tier #1 WR. It also gave our #1 WR at the time - John Brown - more favorable matchups against #2 CBs, and so on down the line. I know people joke about the Sammy Watkins decoy stuff but that kind of thing really DOES matter. Even when Hill wasn't catching the ball his presence on the field was opening up the rest of the offense. His absence can't be minimized or hand waved away.

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by HappyDays

[HappyDays]

10 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

I'm not saying that the Dolphins got fleeced, but I don't understand why they'd want to do it.  They weren't a WR away last season, like we were in 2019 with Diggs.

 

Chris Grier reminds me of Doug Whaley. He makes moves just to make them, because he likes seeing his name on the ESPN ticker. He stupidly traded down and missed a chance to draft a generational WR talent in Ja'Marr Chase, then even more stupidly gave up a 1st rounder to trade back up without knowing who he was trading up for. He forced a disgruntled head coach out the door and stands behind his mediocre QB, then makes a splash trade for a WR to prove he knows what he's doing. It's textbook Doug Whaley decision making. A whole lot of splashy big moves without any kind of cohesive plan. I'm glad the Bills have adults making these decisions now.

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by HappyDays

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chris Grier reminds me of Doug Whaley. He makes moves just to make them, because he likes seeing his name on the ESPN ticker. He stupidly traded down and missed a chance to draft a generational WR talent in Ja'Marr Chase, then even more stupidly gave up a 1st rounder to trade back up without knowing who he was trading up for. He forced a disgruntled head coach out the door and stands behind his mediocre QB, then makes a splash trade for a WR to prove he knows what he's doing. It's textbook Doug Whaley decision making. A whole lot of splashy big moves without any kind of cohesive plan. I'm glad the Bills have adults making these decisions now.

Whaley never traded for an established #1 WR.  He instead thought it was a good idea to give up a 1st rounder to move up and draft a WR who turned out to be a mental head case.

 

Grier basically did what Beane did to get Diggs (both going into their rookie QB's third year).  The bigger difference being he had to sign Hill to a massive contract.  They still have a ton of picks next year and a solid young defense.  The Fins  now have a revamped o-line, a scheme that fits Tua's skill set perfectly, and three legitimate weapons in Hill, Waddle, and Geiseke.  Now Tua has no excuses in his third season and Bridgewater is waiting in the wings if he fails.   Miami is basically the 49ers of the AFC now and will be significantly better the next few years.  They don't have an elite QB so we still should take the division but it got more difficult after this move and there's no way around that.

Edited March 24, 2022 by Doc Brown

[emaw1979]

Chiefs Fan here.

 

I am torn about this. I woke up after a long midnight shift today to see my favorite Chiefs WR of all time get traded. He's still in his prime and was well on his way to being a HoF WR and one of the best duo's of all time. Jacksonville had to screw things up. The Raiders had to screw things up. Tyreek and the Chiefs were allegedly close on a deal until the market blew up. 

 

Now that I'm calm, I do think this is ultimately a good thing for the Chiefs long term and potentially makes them better THIS year but we'll see. The truth is, the Chiefs have massive holes on the team and little cap space without converting Mahomes salary to a bonus (constructed contract to do this every year). They don't have CB's and their dline is one of the worst in the NFL. They have 2 LB's and that's it. Their WR room before the trade was better but still just Hill/JuJu/Hardemen. Kelce is getting up there. They have holes upon holes and no money and low draft picks. They have been getting a little bit worse each year since their SB win but this has been by far the worst roster before the Hill trade they've had. 

 

I am not of giving 3rd contracts to players that aren't QB's. I'd rather trade a 28 YO WR who is at the end of his prime than pay him 28 million a year and screw the cap up. Especially if I can get 5 draft picks and clear 72 million in cap space over 3 years. Hill is a phenomenal WR with speed and athleticism I've only seen from Randy Moss at the WR position. However, last year he started showing signs of breaking down. He was injured a lot and to his credit, he played through it all. Is that a sign of him breaking down like I said or just coincidental? I doubt he will ever see the playoffs again as a Dolphin and I think his legacy will take a big hit, but I'm not sure if he will care much now that he's made his money and lives in Miami. 

 

They have the cap space now and the picks to replenish the roster. They can get younger and fill the holes they couldn't before. If they draft anything close to what they did last year, this team is going to be scary good and the window is still open If Veach and company blows the draft then the window is likely closed for awhile. I strongly believe they will move up to take a pass rusher since they likely won't get an impact one at 29/30. This is a good draft for DE and WR as well. 

 

I'm not sure how I feel about the Chiefs in the AFC West this year but I'm not ready to count them out with Mahomes/Reid. The off season just started for them after the trade. I do wish it happened a few weeks ago though... 

[GETTOTHE50]

I don’t get this trade for either of the teams.

 

the chiefs lose a key piece of the offense, and without him, they don’t win the divisional round. sure they get all those picks, but it’s hard to imagine anyone of them will have the impact that tyreek did. 
 

the fish then trade all those picks and pay a fortune for a slot receiver with personal issues. And as we all have mentioned, Tua is BAD. He’s not very athletic, has a week arm, and is a poor leader. Remember that QB carousel with Fitzpatrick two seasons ago? 
 

It was a flashy move with no substance. They MIGHT be competing for the 7th wild card. But idt they beat out any of the teams in the west division, especially since they have a rookie head coach who is a youngin. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by GETTOTHE50

[emaw1979]

3 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

I don’t get this trade for either of the teams.

 

the chiefs lose a key piece of the offense, and without him, they don’t win the divisional round. sure they get all those picks, but it’s hard to imagine anyone of them will have the impact that tyreek did. 
 

the fish then trade all those picks and pay a fortune for a slot receiver with personal issues. And as we all have mentioned, Tua is BAD. He’s not very athletic, has a week arm, and is a poor leader. Remember that QB carousel with Fitzpatrick two seasons ago? 
 

It was a flashy move with no substance. They MIGHT be competing for the 7th wild card. But idt they beat out any of the teams in the west division, especially since they have a rookie head coach who is a youngin. 

 

The sum of the cap space and 5 picks will be greater than paying 30 mil per for a 28 year old and soon to be declining WR. I understand that for the Chiefs with cap issues. 

 

I agree on the Dolphins. It does make them better but Tua isn't a good QB and he's made of glass. I wish they would have sent him to the Jets just to give him the finger for forcing his way out for $$. 

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, emaw1979 said:

 

The sum of the cap space and 5 picks will be greater than paying 30 mil per for a 28 year old and soon to be declining WR. I understand that for the Chiefs with cap issues. 

 

I agree on the Dolphins. It does make them better but Tua isn't a good QB and he's made of glass. I wish they would have sent him to the Jets just to give him the finger for forcing his way out for $$. 

Usually you trade your star player to the opposite conference,  KC traded him to the Dolphins thinking it could makes things more difficult for Bills to win division. Next thing is for both Jets & Pats to make big offseason splash moves. Not surprised if Pats throw big money at Julio Jones

[emaw1979]

4 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Usually you trade your star player to the opposite conference,  KC traded him to the Dolphins thinking it could makes things more difficult for Bills to win division. Next thing is for both Jets & Pats to make big offseason splash moves. Not surprised if Pats throw big money at Julio Jones

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins make a run at Baker.

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Cool. None of them are Tyreek Hill. He is a generational talent that completely changed the way defenses were able to play them. Mahomes isn't going to turn into a pumpkin but Hill was a core part of their identity.

 

Hill is a great receiver, he is not a generational talent. There can get 2 good to very good ones to replace one great.. harder cover 3 people than 2.. which is what happened against Cincy. 

[Niagara Dude]

49 minutes ago, emaw1979 said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins make a run at Baker.

Nah,  I think Baker is more hype than talent.  They surrounded him with some great talent and he still could not win.  

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

Usually you trade your star player to the opposite conference,  KC traded him to the Dolphins thinking it could makes things more difficult for Bills to win division. Next thing is for both Jets & Pats to make big offseason splash moves. Not surprised if Pats throw big money at Julio Jones

 

Julio Jones isn't a big move.  Dude is done.

[Niagara Dude]

31 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Hill is a great receiver, he is not a generational talent. There can get 2 good to very good ones to replace one great.. harder cover 3 people than 2.. which is what happened against Cincy. 

Hill is one of the most fastest players to play the game, he changed the way defences played against the Chiefs.  I think the Chiefs decided to take a step back to clear cap space and get younger. Personally I would not give a massive extension to any player who is getting close to 30 and taken a lot of hits and that includes our own Diggs. Look for Diggs to be asking for extension with more guaranteed money after seeing what Hill got.  Diggs is a great WR and has been a blessing in his two seasons.,  he will also be turning 29 in Nov.  Once a player hits 30,  it is year to year on being able to stay healthy and stay win the field.  Dez Bryant is a perfect example. Yes I agree that Diggs deserves a raise but if he wants crazy numbers then I have no problem trading him up for picks like KC just did with Hill.

2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Julio Jones isn't a big move.  Dude is done.

Who did he play with last season?  I still think he has a couple of good seasons left in him as a solid # 2 option

[Lost]

Chiefs got the ultimate return on investment with Tyreek Hill.  Himself being drafted in the 5th round, 165th overall pick has helped carry the Chiefs to 6 Division titles, 2 Conference championships, a Super Bowl win and now being converted to 5 draft picks.   Unbelievable value.   I can only hope the Bills strike gold that deep in the draft one of these years.  

 

[Doc]

The Chefs had to move him.  Can't be spending $30M/year on a WR and have a $45M QB.  That being said, it will hurt the Chefs significantly.  Hill was a weapon in that offense and replacing him isn't as easy as saying "well, they have draft picks."  

 

As for the Dols, if they had a QB who scared me, it would worry me more.  And I have this suspicion that the Chefs wanted to send him to the AFCE to hurt the Bills, considering they were only dealing with the Dols and Jets.

[Not at the table Karlos]

13 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

I like Astros camp reports but everything else he says makes me question what world he's living in.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

Hill is one of the most fastest players to play the game, he changed the way defences played against the Chiefs.  I think the Chiefs decided to take a step back to clear cap space and get younger. Personally I would not give a massive extension to any player who is getting close to 30 and taken a lot of hits and that includes our own Diggs. Look for Diggs to be asking for extension with more guaranteed money after seeing what Hill got.  Diggs is a great WR and has been a blessing in his two seasons.,  he will also be turning 29 in Nov.  Once a player hits 30,  it is year to year on being able to stay healthy and stay win the field.  Dez Bryant is a perfect example. Yes I agree that Diggs deserves a raise but if he wants crazy numbers then I have no problem trading him up for picks like KC just did with Hill.

Who did he play with last season?  I still think he has a couple of good seasons left in him as a solid # 2 option

Played for the titans…he’s clearly lost at least a step.  Tyreek will meet a similar fate soon.  Might have been a year or two early but I think this is a great move for the chiefs and a head scratcher for the dolphins.  If they were just a wr away it would’ve been brilliant but I think they’re much further away from making a run in the afc especially after all those trades/offseason moves in the conference.  Maybe they just barely squeak into the top 10 AFC teams with tyreek.  

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Who did he play with last season?  I still think he has a couple of good seasons left in him as a solid # 2 option

Jones has missed half the season two years in a row.  He can’t be counted on.  
 

I would take him here but he would be behind Davis IMO.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I like the move for Miami.  A lot of draft picks used on WRs, but they basically got Waddle in a very strong WR draft and traded for a probowler.  

 

They added running backs this year as well in edmonds and mostert, but I'm not sure that was ever really the problem with their run game.  Adding armstead and williams will help more there than anything else.  

 

The thing about them is though - they added nothing to the defense.  Which... much like buffalo was very much propped up by playing bad offenses/QBs.  The difference is buffalo was propped up to #1, and Miami finished 15th in yards.  Buffalo also wasn't happy with the performance of their defensive line and made massive changes to the unit.  Miami is content to roll with Phillips and Ogbah as the primary pass rushers in a blitz happy system.  Seems to work when they play the bad teams of their schedule (which were also mostly bunched into the end of the 2021 season).