TC in St. Louis Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, HOUSE said: This may go down as the best example of overpaying by an NFL team. I still don't believe what Miami gave up... Ridiculous. And the contract is going to throw the WR money all out of whack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Yea cause they don't have 2 first round draft picks still next year I get the homerism, but come on dude. Lol how is that homerism? It’s just logic. How are you gonna trade for a 28 year old burner receiver with this many holes in the trenches. I mean maybe they hit on every draft pick despite not picking until round 3 this season and even if so they didn’t do much on the defensive side to slow josh down. Could they split with us in the regular season yea sure. But they took a big chunk out of the chiefs to be kind of competitive now so this trade is a win for us the illogical fear of Miami on this board is always my favorite…we are a Charles clay butterfingers moment away from josh Allen never losing to them in his career. Edited March 23, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan4588 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 A mismanaged team with an unbalanced owner who's been trying to make a splash for years. The Chiefs did not go undefeated with Patrick Mahomes throwing the ball to Tyreek Hill, you think you should be worried about Tua? They have a lot of speed, I give them that, but they hired a new offensive minded coach who's philosophy is to run run run and set up play action, contain the run and watch for screens. Not much else for them passed that. Did I mention, their QB is Tua? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Lol how is that homerism? It’s just logic. How are you gonna trade for a 28 year old burner receiver with this many holes in the trenches. I mean maybe they hit on every draft pick despite not picking until round 3 this season and even if so they didn’t do much on the defensive side to slow josh down. Could they split with us in the regular season yea sure. But they took a big chunk out of the chiefs to be kind of competitive now so this trade is a win for us ~Signed the Buffalo bills trading for Stefon Diggs with Cody Ford, Quninton Spain and John Feliciano as 3 of its 5 startling o-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 As a byproduct of the trade, the Chiefs now have the 3rd most cap space in the league. Gotta believe they can re-load on the fly, with the draft capital and contract space available now (and 11th most in 2023): https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 The interesting thing here is that with the 4 picks they have in the first 2 rounds, they can pretty much draft any WR they want with trade ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan4588 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: ~Signed the Buffalo bills trading for Stefon Diggs with Cody Ford, Quninton Spain and John Feliciano as 3 of its 5 startling o-line. You think Tua would've thrived in that situation? Lol, seem to miss the fact that Josh Allen is just a bit different as a QB than he. You may also notice that the only left of those 3 is Cody Ford, who may be on the bench if Bates is brought back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: Imagine if Miami had drafted Justin Herbert, sorry I just love bringing that up at every opportunity. Tua is a game manager at best, I'm not worried about Miami at all, just glad to see Tyreek off of the Chiefs, this is a big win for the Bills. All we heard the last 2 years was Allen wouldn't be "Allen" if we didn't acquire Diggs and Beasley to help his development. Wonder what their gonna say when Tua 💩's the bed with all this new found talent around him? You can only put so much lipstick on a pig before you realize all you have is a fragile weak arm QB with limited athleticism. Also, did Tyreek get permission from Josh to see if it was ok to play at his home away from Buffalo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: ~Signed the Buffalo bills trading for Stefon Diggs with Cody Ford, Quninton Spain and John Feliciano as 3 of its 5 startling o-line. I don’t understand how that is at all the same…we had 0 offensive weapons and tons of cap space. The dolphins have a burner already in waddle. Also there were tons of flashes of josh being special his rookie season that tua just didn’t have. Also diggs was a couple years younger lol lots of alsos 😂. We’ll see how it plays out and I will be the first to admit it if I’m wrong but it’s hardly a homerish take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nelius Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 hours ago, mannc said: He’s been shut down a number of times. As has Tyreek Hill. Just last year alone he had stunning game totals of 14, 37, 22, 19, and 2 yards. Completely disappeared for more than a quarter of the season. I expect more of these with Tua at the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I think its a great move for miami. One of the best players in the league with a diverse skill set. Yes he is getting older but so is von miller, i don't try to guess when dudes will fall off I grab the elite of the elite when I get the chance. Hill made alex smith the best deep passer in the league his 2nd season and can run the ball well if tua still sucks that bad and they have to get creative. But at the end of the day this is good for us makes our division a bit harder but makes the chiefs who have been our playoff kryptonite significantly worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The interesting thing here is that with the 4 picks they have in the first 2 rounds, they can pretty much draft any WR they want with trade ups. No one receiver in this draft will be as good as Hill. Obviously. But...the Chiefs are betting on having alot of very good players and still putting up points. I don't think this deal is bad for them. They can load up on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Haze_21 said: I think its a great move for miami. One of the best players in the league with a diverse skill set. Yes he is getting older but so is von miller, i don't try to guess when dudes will fall off I grab the elite of the elite when I get the chance. Hill made alex smith the best deep passer in the league his 2nd season and can run the ball well if tua still sucks that bad and they have to get creative. But at the end of the day this is good for us makes our division a bit harder but makes the chiefs who have been our playoff kryptonite significantly worse. No he didn't actually 1 year Alex Smith had zero TDs to WRs and all of them were to his RBs and TEs... it was Kelcy that made Alex Smith. He had no deep passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billsfanatic8989 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Going from Mahomes to Tua as a pass catcher is the equivalent of going from Kate Upton to Roseanne Arnold. Huge downgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Haze_21 said: I think its a great move for miami. One of the best players in the league with a diverse skill set. Yes he is getting older but so is von miller, i don't try to guess when dudes will fall off I grab the elite of the elite when I get the chance. Hill made alex smith the best deep passer in the league his 2nd season and can run the ball well if tua still sucks that bad and they have to get creative. But at the end of the day this is good for us makes our division a bit harder but makes the chiefs who have been our playoff kryptonite significantly worse. Von miller doesn’t have to depend on someone else to throw him the ball though and I don’t think pass rushers really see a massive nosedive in production like a burner receiver would as they get older. It could certainly work out for them…they could put a good year together this season and hit a home run on a qb draft pick to really put them over the top next season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Draconator said: I guess they get discount double check WRs now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Lol how is that homerism? It’s just logic. How are you gonna trade for a 28 year old burner receiver with this many holes in the trenches. I mean maybe they hit on every draft pick despite not picking until round 3 this season and even if so they didn’t do much on the defensive side to slow josh down. Could they split with us in the regular season yea sure. But they took a big chunk out of the chiefs to be kind of competitive now so this trade is a win for us the illogical fear of Miami on this board is always my favorite…we are a Charles clay butterfingers moment away from josh Allen never losing to them in his career. Fear no other teams, but RESPECT every single team no matter what, even if the talent is lopsided in favor of your team. I'm sure the Chiefs did this trade more to ensure the Bills have some competition for division and not a cakewalk for the 1 seed which I personally believe the Bills will get quite handily as they further convince all other fanbases that the Bills are the best team in football while Josh is our QB. I really think the Bills are why the trade was made to try help the Dolphins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, TBBills said: No he didn't actually 1 year Alex Smith had zero TDs to WRs and all of them were to his RBs and TEs... it was Kelcy that made Alex Smith. He had no deep passes. One of the more shocking developments of the 2017 season was the statistical heights Alex Smith, regarded as a mere game manager for years, reached as a passer for the Chiefs. It was a year on par with Matt Ryan's 2016 MVP season from an efficiency standpoint. His most notable improvement came as a downfield passer. Smith attempted 4.2 deep passes per game (10th-most among qualifying quarterbacks) this past season to just 2.9 the year prior. His deep-passing effectiveness was not just markedly better, it was at league-best levels, as he ranked first in long-ball passer rating, deep completion rate and percentage of overall yards coming on deep throws. Smith didn't rank higher than 20th in any of those categories in 2016. The influence of having the NFL's best deep threat as your No. 1 wideout in Tyreek Hill was real and noticeable. Smith will now take his talents to Washington in an effort to show 2017 was the start of a new trend in his career, not just a glaring outlier. https://www.nfl.com/news/alex-smith-matthew-stafford-head-top-deep-ball-throwers-of-17-0ap3000000921980 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, AuntieEm said: Fear no other teams, but RESPECT every single team no matter what, even if the talent is lopsided in favor of your team. I'm sure the Chiefs did this trade more to ensure the Bills have some competition for division and not a cakewalk for the 1 seed which I personally believe the Bills will get quite handily as they further convince all other fanbases that the Bills are the best team in football while Josh is our QB. I really think the Bills are why the trade was made to try help the Dolphins. Chiefs know tyreek is gonna slow down at some point I’m sure and they wanted to make sure they got a nice return for him. They’ll always be dangerous with mahomes so I could see why they did it. I find the dolphins part of it interesting but it could end up being a great trade for the dolphins for sure…we’ll have to wait and see 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Meanwhile on the Bills: 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Waddle is gonna feast this year for the dolphins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billsfanatic8989 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Yeah Hill will get open alot. But is Tua capable of getting him the ball consistently? This division is still ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 How did the chiefs pass up the number 10 overall pick from the jets…kind of crazy part of this people aren’t talking about much. 5 minutes ago, mob16151 said: Waddle is gonna feast this year for the dolphins. Still comes down to if they can shore up the right side of their oline the rest of FA/in the draft or it’ll all be underneath stuff again got them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, stosh64 said: Anyone know what this comment is referring to? Probably called out Fat ***** for that debacle at the end of the half. May have thrown the Rat under the bus too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Yeah Hill will get open alot. But is Tua capable of getting him the ball consistently? This division is still ours. Hill will go from 4 games a season of being non relevant to 8 games a season. Dolphins giving up 5 picks!?!?! Edited March 23, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I think cincy is a bit of a one year wonder sadly…I’d be surprised if Baltimore doesn’t win that division. They had like 40 guys on IR and were still very competitive I’m just not a Jackson believer.. I think he will choke when facing two QBs who can light it up fast and his run first won’t work.. but heck I’ve been wrong before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Nelius said: As has Tyreek Hill. Just last year alone he had stunning game totals of 14, 37, 22, 19, and 2 yards. Completely disappeared for more than a quarter of the season. I expect more of these with Tua at the helm. If you're a defensive coordinator, who would you be more concerned about, Tyreek Hill or Diggs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Mostart and Armstead can't stay on the field Chase Edmonds is meh. Waddle caught 100 five yard passes. And Tua isn't known for a deep passing game like Mahomes. This is like developing and putting together a great oline for Zach Moss.. I get why the Dolphins did it but. Not really. Concern sure. We need DBs. Panic? Absolutely not. I've seen Tyreek turn enough 7 yard crossers into TDs to get why the Fish wanted him. Best way to maximize Tua's only strong suit, short accurate passes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, mob16151 said: Waddle is gonna feast this year for the dolphins. I’m thinking about him AND juju in fantasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Awww, he thought he was getting Waddle plus 1sts or the 4th/10th pick.. Edited March 23, 2022 by SCBills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, mannc said: If you're a defensive coordinator, who would you be more concerned about, Tyreek Hill or Diggs? I'm not a defensive coordinator so it's tough to answer this question based on Madden skills alone. Hill certainly looks more athletic, but perhaps Coordinators fear Diggs' game intelligence more, neither of us really know. I'd definitely be more concerned about Diggs and Allen than Tua and Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, TBBills said: Dolphins giving up 5 picks!?!?! It was a good trade for Miami. They essentially forfeit this year’s draft, but have two #1s next year. I would make this trade all day every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, TBBills said: Hill will go from 4 games a season of being non relevant to 8 games a season. Dolphins giving up 5 picks!?!?! Agreed. I think KC won this deal big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 All this big $$$ flying around, price on Diggs just keeps going up, hopefully Beane hasn't already been priced out of being able to retain him. They are likely going to have to work something out sooner rather than later to keep things smooth sailing into training camp, as Diggs has earned an extension as much as any of the other guys getting massive deals. Honestly not sure what I would do in Beane's shoes if it came down to a similar situation as Tyreek's. Especially if you can get that 1st rounder back and then some, then sign/trade draft other respectable WR options. Wouldn't be popular with the fan base but I don't love the idea of tying up so much guaranteed $$$ and cap space in WRs about to be 30. Diggs will be 29 in November, but he does do a great job of protecting himself on the field, and the chemistry with 17 is undeniable, so the argument can be made either way. With this franchise on what it feels like it the precipice of something special, it makes the decision that much harder. Extend him and keep that continuity with Josh, or deal him and avoid a massive contract, get a sizeable return and use those picks to get a couple WRs on cheap contracts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Thank God they passed on Herbert. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, st pete gogolak said: Thank God they passed on Herbert. Good lord can you imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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