Mat68 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 They have the tight to match. I think they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I just can’t believe a 4th string DT or a bk up Safety like Neal is more important to our front office then a starting guard like Bates, especially since Bates played like a man possessed towards the end of the season. I just don’t get it. !! The legend grows! Bates is approaching Duke Williams level myth-making! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, MJS said: He is not a backup, he is our starter. If he leaves that is one more hole we need to fill. When he stepped into the lineup it is the best our oline has looked in years. People can be excited about the team and the new players and still be concerned that we are potentially losing a quality offensive lineman. I've been pounding the table for Bates to have more playing time for a couple of years now. He is a good player. If he leaves, he'll be a starter in this league for a long time. If you don't believe that, fine, but the fact that multiple teams are interested in him shows that he isn't just some backup caliber JAG. He’s not considered a starter by the team or valued as such. Bobby Johnson is gone. Kromer will decide who he wants. This shows they like him enough to bring him back to compete for a spot but not enough to render him difficult to replace. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: !! The legend grows! Bates is approaching Duke Williams level myth-making! Just wait until/if he accepts a contract offer from another team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 So it’s safe to say anything below 4 million is a moot point. So the real question is how much more will a team be willing to pay above 4 for Ryan Bates knowing the Bills can simply match. Is Ryan Bates a 6 million dollar a year player? Beane obviously doesn’t think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, GolfandBills said: Just wait until/if he accepts a contract offer from another team ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s not considered a starter by the team or valued as such. Bobby Johnson is gone. Kromer will decide who he wants. This shows they like him enough to bring him back to compete for a spot but not enough to render him difficult to replace. You don't know that. All we know is that they gave him the lower tender. That could be for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is a gamble that other teams wouldn't be interested and they could save a bit against the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, MJS said: You don't know that. All we know is that they gave him the lower tender. That could be for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is a gamble that other teams wouldn't be interested and they could save a bit against the cap. The money and tender shows the value they place on the player 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 It is also possible that the Bills are thinking more long term deal and are looking at Bates' other offers to set the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: As long as it’s not Cody Ford… Never know maybe Kromer coaches Cody up into a decent guard for the Bills. Sometimes the scheme/coaching isn't a good match but with a different one he may find his game at the nfl level. If not they can release him after preseason no harm in giving him a opportunity to salvage a spot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: As long as it’s not Cody Ford… I checked out on Ford but if coach sees the tape and sees something he can work with, I'll have to trust the process 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I know you are kidding to some degree, but think we see them double up on IOL and WR in the draft. I agree CB and WR will be the first two picks most likely. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they take 3 o linemen. Beane mentioned something about his top priority being protecting Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 We DO need a thread for every time someone thinks of Fitz, however. No pinned threads for that wedding ring wearing Harvard man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: Bills won’t match. Bates choosing money over opportunity. Not a great career decision. He's not gone yet. I believe the Bills have a week to match any offer he gets, and so far I haven't heard that he's even gotten an offer. Edited March 19, 2022 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: Bills won’t match. Bates choosing money over opportunity. Not a great career decision. Bates has never been paid. Undrafted player. He might not get another opportunity. He’s got to explore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: Bills won’t match. Bates choosing money over opportunity. Not a great career decision. Makes no sense… Obviously he’ll get an opportunity if a team is going to pay him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 A lot of times I wonder if a team meets with a RFA to show the love and build a relationship for when they become a UFA the next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: Bills won’t match. Bates choosing money over opportunity. Not a great career decision. So a team is going to pay him and not give him an opportunity? Interesting take. I’d bet that whoever signs him, will start him. Meanwhile….he might not even be good enough to be our starter this year….never know how Kromer feels about him in his system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, NewEra said: So a team is going to pay him and not give him an opportunity? Interesting take. I’d bet that whoever signs him, will start him. Meanwhile….he might not even be good enough to be our starter this year….never know how Kromer feels about him in his system Opportunity to win the Superbowl, i believe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Motor26 said: Would like them to select Zion Johnson if he’s there. Has played both guard spots and left tackle in college and supposedly looked good playing center as well at the senior bowl. Beane said they need to protect Josh and they love guys with positional flexibility. If we lose bates I think he is def in play 1 hour ago, NewEra said: So a team is going to pay him and not give him an opportunity? Interesting take. I’d bet that whoever signs him, will start him. Meanwhile….he might not even be good enough to be our starter this year….never know how Kromer feels about him in his system I think Kromer would love him Kromer seems to like those athletic move guys and thats Bates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: If we lose bates I think he is def in play I think Kromer would love him Kromer seems to like those athletic move guys and thats Bates If that was the case, I’m shocked that he was given the tender he was given. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: If that was the case, I’m shocked that he was given the tender he was given. Makes no sense. I may be off on this but I always felt we "hid" Bates a bit in the time he has been here while they coached him up......then he came in and gave less then a year's starting OL play this past year so once again hoping to "hide" him so they can sign him cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) So does anyone thing Bates will get a contract from another team for more than 5 million per year ? If so he’s probably the number 1 Guard still on the market. And if that is true surprising the Giants didn’t go after him. In Beane I Trust 👏👏👏👏👏👏 Edited March 19, 2022 by Paul Costa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I may be off on this but I always felt we "hid" Bates a bit in the time he has been here while they coached him up......then he came in and gave less then a year's starting OL play this past year so once again hoping to "hide" him so they can sign him cheap Idk….if they really like him and Kromer really wants him, the tender doesn’t make sense. Paying him a little over million more isn’t that big of a deal and would’ve basically ensured that we kept him. Big risk in hoping that all of the other teams in the league failed to notice his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: So does anyone thing Bates will get a contract from another team for more than 5 million per year ? If so he’s probably the number 1 Guard still on the market. And if that is true surprising the Giants didn’t go after him. In Beane I Trust 👏👏👏👏👏👏 I think he is the best guard left for sure. I am not sure if he gets 5 million. I was thinking in the 4s. And my guess is that he isn’t a Giant because he isn’t a Bobby Johnson guy as evidence that he rode the pine so long, and clearly is better than the guys he was sitting behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: So does anyone thing Bates will get a contract from another team for more than 5 million per year ? Would be a no for me. At $5mm per year Gates would be in top 50% of league by position. Can't see someone giving him this on 5 games worth of film. Bills could have assured a 2nd rd pick by offering him $4mm and chose not to. Have to believe that OBD feels confident they can keep him at a cost acceptable to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Could be that Bates was a positive but temporary answer last year and that McBeane knew he had to be upgraded in the off-season kinda like Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, Rico said: Could be that Bates was a positive but temporary answer last year and that McBeane knew he had to be upgraded in the off-season kinda like Harry. It absolutely could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It absolutely could If that’s the case what’s / who is the plan B ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Putin said: If that’s the case what’s / who is the plan B ? Has to be drafting a guy, because the guard market is pretty much dried up. I could see teams that signed guys maybe willing to trade their holdovers, say like the Panthers who signed Bozeman and Corbett. Perhaps they are willing to move 2021 draft pick Brady Christensen, high RAS guy who we could stick in at RG. Perhaps Christensen for AJ Epenesa, who would fit in well as a 5 tech in their 3-4. The Bills have met with a lot of IOL so far this year. So the answer likely comes in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Putin said: If that’s the case what’s / who is the plan B ? It’s already there, Saffold will be starting at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: !! The legend grows! Bates is approaching Duke Williams level myth-making! U can’t compare the 2 . Duke never did anything and I for one never mentioned Duke on this board or anywhere else for that matter. Bates is a great asset for nearly any team whenever he was playing he held his own and then some he played 4 positions on the line. Bates definitely worth the 2nd rd tender and some team is going to pay him nearly 6mil yr . But we rather pay our bkup QB 7mil per or bkup safety 3.5 or even a 4th DT a bunch of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I don't know much, but I do really think, resolutely, that Cody Ford is not an answer. And that Cody Ford cannot be coached up, nor salvaged by anyone at this point. I don't like to be negative but that one just did not work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Has to be drafting a guy, because the guard market is pretty much dried up. I could see teams that signed guys maybe willing to trade their holdovers, say like the Panthers who signed Bozeman and Corbett. Perhaps they are willing to move 2021 draft pick Brady Christensen, high RAS guy who we could stick in at RG. Perhaps Christensen for AJ Epenesa, who would fit in well as a 5 tech in their 3-4. The Bills have met with a lot of IOL so far this year. So the answer likely comes in the draft. Who have they met with IOL wise? I know Zion for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Motor26 said: Who have they met with IOL wise? I know Zion for sure. Cam Jurgens - C/G Nebraska Logan Bruss - C/G Wisconsin Zion Johnson - C/G Boston College Lecitus Smith - G Virginia Tech Dohnovan West - C/G Arizona State Kenyon Green - C/G Texas A&M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: Cam Jurgens - C/G Nebraska Logan Bruss - C/G Wisconsin Zion Johnson - C/G Boston College Lecitus Smith - G Virginia Tech Dohnovan West - C/G Arizona State Kenyon Green - C/G Texas A&M Thanks. I like Jurgens a lot. Obviously Green and Zion would be the only guys in play in the 1st round, but seems like the Bills are gonna have to go corner in the 1st unless they sign someone CAPA ale of starting. I’m sure Beane has something up his sleeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Motor26 said: Thanks. I like Jurgens a lot. Obviously Green and Zion would be the only guys in play in the 1st round, but seems like the Bills are gonna have to go corner in the 1st unless they sign someone CAPA ale of starting. I’m sure Beane has something up his sleeve. Jurgens had some really good testing numbers, so he fits the high RAS conversation. Johnson does as well. Cole Strange is an interesting guy, as a small school guy, he shined at the Senior Bowl tested really well RAS wise. I like him a lot and I hope they met with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Motor26 said: Thanks. I like Jurgens a lot. Obviously Green and Zion would be the only guys in play in the 1st round, but seems like the Bills are gonna have to go corner in the 1st unless they sign someone CAPA ale of starting. I’m sure Beane has something up his sleeve. Is this capa ale hoppy? lol sorry jk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: Bills won’t match. Bates choosing money over opportunity. Not a great career decision. I’m going out on a limb here and surmising you are not an employee of the Bills, don’t know anybody who is and probably never attended a game. Even if any of these things are incorrect, your post is still utter trash. 3 hours ago, Doc said: He's not gone yet. I believe the Bills have a week to match any offer he gets, and so far I haven't heard that he's even gotten an offer. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I’m going out on a limb here and surmising you are not an employee of the Bills, don’t know anybody who is and probably never attended a game. Even if any of these things are incorrect, your post is still utter trash. Thank you. With how rare RFAs are signed a big name will be all over it if it happens. Rap or Shafter will drop it. Bates is unique. Idk if he survived or thrived last year. I thought Bates said he feels like LG is his natural position. Saffold is the LG. Bates will have to compete for the RG spot. A few rookies another vet and him I imagine. I feel like Bates at guard is the equivalent to Wallace at Cb. He can do his job but you are looking to replace him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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