CincyBillsFan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 This is solid evidence for the kind of offense Dorsey plans on running in Buffalo and I like it. This is a Super Bowl caliber team that lost because of bad coaching decisions at the end of the KC game. Keep the band together as much as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 @BADOLBILZ you still sure this is an overpay? Never trust the initial numbers while Beane is in charge. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Putin said: How about MacKenzie what were his stats for the year ? Just a little note that McKenzie got 24% of the snaps on offense. Beasley got 62%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The initial report was WAAAAY off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 That contract makes way more sense than first reported. I'm 100% good with that, even if he isn't on special teams anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Kirk still in play with those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 16 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Can we change the title? It’s wrong. He’s signed for $8M total. $4M/year Actually it appears that's wrong, too https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/isaiah-mckenzie-21914/ He signed for $4.4M total. $1.875 this year, $2.525 next year. I think the important point for McKenzie is that the Bills basically guaranteed half of this year's salary in addition to his signing bonus. My guess is that a couple teams indicated they would offer him something similar in $$ and the Bills sweetened the guarantees to bring him in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Wow this is so much better for the Bills than initially reported. Love it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Turnover battle just became harder to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I liked the signing at $4M per year, thank god Beane is running the show and got it done at half that! With Beasley likely moving on, Lil’Dirty should have a larger role in the offense and helps create matchup problems with his speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: If you don't think handing a 2 year $8M deal to an undersized 6th year receiver who can't handle kick return duties and is coming off 15 active games with only 178 yards receiving on the season is an over pay...............then you aren't very good at math........so maybe having a clock you have to set manually isn't right for you. You were saying? As I said: "most cap-savvy denizens wait to see what the contract actually is first", and "Spoiler: he's not getting $4M per year even if that's the AAV on the contract" 7 minutes ago, noacls said: Turnover battle just became harder to win. As opposed to signing who? Dre Roberts rocked 3 fumbles last season, and 3 in 2020 with us. Marquez Stevenson had 2 fumbles (plus a muff) in 21 KR/PR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Actually it appears that's wrong, too https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/isaiah-mckenzie-21914/ He signed for $4.4M total. $1.875 this year, $2.525 next year. I think the important point for McKenzie is that the Bills basically guaranteed half of this year's salary in addition to his signing bonus. My guess is that a couple teams indicated they would offer him something similar in $$ and the Bills sweetened the guarantees to bring him in. $4.4M total is a steal… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Rebel101 said: Yes, but McKenzie has never been given the chance in an actual role as a slot and McKenzies speed alone opens up the offense more then Beasley did. The coaches know whether McKenzie can play the slot. That he didn't take snaps away from Beasley speaks loud and clear. Especially in the playoff games. It will be up to Dorsey to scheme up McKenzie's role this year. It won't be the same as what Beasley provided, and that's cool -- if Lil Dirty steps up and shows he can be a full-time player rather than a gadget / change-of-pace guy. I'm a bit worried about his durability, however. Another really under-appreciated quality Beasley brought to the table was his toughness--he took a lot of punishment and kept on playing. McKensie takes some hellacious hits and seems more prone to being a blue tent visitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: 2 years, $4.4m... that's a really good deal for Buffalo. I was happy with the initial number that was released. Really happy with this number. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You were saying? As opposed to signing who? Dotson, Metchie, Moore, Robinson, Shakir, Austin, Jones, Melton. All would be savings over isaiah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Now that the true details of the contract are known, are you still grumpy about it, @BADOLBILZ? 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Kirk still in play with those numbers. Not @ 15M aav it’s not……I hope 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 This news should calm the over dramatic participants on this forum, 😁👍 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Wow that's a steal for McKenzie and what he can bring to the team, hopefully he sees more snaps this year at WR. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just a little note that McKenzie got 24% of the snaps on offense. Beasley got 62%. Or: Небольшое замечание: Маккензи получил 24% снэпов в нападении. Бизли получил 62%. Explain this to his irrational ranting another way. Leaving facts our does not strengthen argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 50 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Pretty good. Okay, this seems much more reasonable. 40 minutes ago, Magox said: The initial report was WAAAAY off. And that’s why people need to chill out until the details come out on any deal. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 51 minutes ago, HappyDays said: @BADOLBILZ you still sure this is an overpay? Never trust the initial numbers while Beane is in charge. I think this just shows that he was 💯 correct in saying 2 years 8M was absolutely an overpay 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I'm shocked that the contract is that low! I thought 4 million/year was a pretty decent deal. This is very good value! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 53 minutes ago, HappyDays said: @BADOLBILZ you still sure this is an overpay? Never trust the initial numbers while Beane is in charge. Oh I am aware of that......you took what I said way out of context because you read upthread where people like Happless were defending paying McKenzie $4M/yr........here is what I said: "I had him returning to Buffalo at $2.75M....(basically a $2M hit on the Bills cap).....if he really got $4M that's another $1M type over-pay." Note the "if he really got $4M part....." This contract is much more in line with what he is worth based on achievement. Despite all of the talk about him leaving there wasn't a better fit for him anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) This move makes no sense. I love McKenzie and so happy he's back, but he was absolutely buried last year to a level that I would call negligent. The coaching staff obviously didn't like him.... does this mean it was Dabol burying him and McD didn't pull rank? But McD threw shade at him after not activating him in the middle of the year... I don't get it. I'm glad he's back but let's actually get the kid on the field please. The one game he was out of necessity he blew up vs the greatest defensive coach of all time. Edited March 14, 2022 by ArtVandalay 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think this just shows that he was 💯 correct in saying 2 years 8M was absolutely an overpay They know I was right.........they're just tryna' troll me.......imagine people still trying that like it's gonna' work. 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I'm shocked that the contract is that low! I thought 4 million/year was a pretty decent deal. This is very good value! You're telling me...bye Cole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: They know I was right.........they're just tryna' troll me.......imagine people still trying that like it's gonna' work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They know I was right.........they're just tryna' troll me.......imagine people still trying that like it's gonna' work. So, you're pleased that McKenzie is back at that contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Lil Dirty!!! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 57 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: $4.4M total is a steal… It's really not. He had 178 yards receiving last year. Before he lost his ST duties..........his punt return average was very low and his kick return average was middling.........all while retaining his untrustworthy handle on the ball. If the Bills signed somebody from another team with that kind of track record for $8M over 2 years the board would be.........perplexed. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's really not. He had 178 yards receiving last year. Before he lost his ST duties..........his punt return average was very low and his kick return average was middling.........all while retaining his untrustworthy handle on the ball. If the Bills signed somebody from another team with that kind of track record for $8M over 2 years the board would be.........perplexed. 😉 125 of those yards came against the pats. Yea he was electric but I wanna see him do that 3-4 more times in a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 20 Pages! I knew we could do it everyone!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: So, you're pleased that McKenzie is back at that contract? Yeah they need receiving depth and he has some upside in the slot yet...........but being a gadget guy who is a net negative on special teams is like paying half a player for one position.........so his pay wasn't in line with his value if he got $4M, IMO. If he was a good kick returner he would have gotten that $4M. He kinda' blamed McD for benching him but his numbers weren't good even without the fumbles. As much as they pay for ST'ers they should be getting good numbers on kick and punt returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: It's really not. He had 178 yards receiving last year. Before he lost his ST duties..........his punt return average was very low and his kick return average was middling.........all while retaining his untrustworthy handle on the ball. If the Bills signed somebody from another team with that kind of track record for $8M over 2 years the board would be.........perplexed. 😉 I wouldn't say it's neither a steal or an overpay imo.... Although I believe his yards/stats etc definitely would have been much better if not due to the less opportunities, with that said however, I think this deal is fair for both sides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think this just shows that he was 💯 correct in saying 2 years 8M was absolutely an overpay It's not what he says, it's how and when he says it. Like, 1) before the details are out 2) ranting and Emo, other people can't do math or use clocks blah blah 🤷♂️. For a dude who wants to be taken as an authority, makes him look foolish. JMO. Even if the deal had turned out to be $8M overall, how it was structured and what was guaranteed would make all the difference - as has been detailed elsewhere, a lot of those "big number deals" aren't All That when you look at what's guaranteed and what's due when. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's not what he says, it's how and when he says it. Like, 1) before the deal is out 2) ranting and Emo, other people can't do math or use clocks blah blah 🤷♂️ For a dude who wants to be taken as an authority, makes him look silly. JMO. Take the L with some dignity, Hap. Admit it........you thought $4M/yr was a good deal.........that's why you were mad. I clearly stated that "if" the numbers were correct............we didn't notice you shouting down people who were saying it was a great deal at only $4M per year now, did we? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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