Jordan Davis is unreal

[Logic]

He’ll be a Raven or a Charger. Bills would need to trade up to get him, which I don’t see happening.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah Ted Washington was a different body type........his thighs were like tree trunks and he had 35" long arms and 11" hands so he could get very low and get under the pads of OL and man handle them despite being a relatively tall 6'4".

 

I actually think Jordan Davis could turn into a really good pass rusher..........but will always struggle to anchor and dominate against the run if he can't find it in him to get low and play with leverage.

 

In the other Davis thread I posted a link to Jordan Phillips highlights from college..........the two players tape looks remarkably similar...........in college Phillips could play tall and dominate just like Davis did...........and Phillips was characterized as a late first round 3-4 NT prospect..........but in the NFL he has really just developed into an oversized gap shooting 3 tech because he can't get low.   When the Bills tried to use him at 1 tech guards would get into his chest and drive him out of the play.

Great comp

 

edit:  massive dancing bears 

Edited March 6, 2022 by NewEra

[billsfan89]

I wouldn’t trade up for him but if the Bills wanted to cut Star and draft him at pick 25 I wouldn’t hate it either.

[gonzo1105]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I think if you’re drafting Davis you’re doing so with the understanding that he’s not going to be getting after the QB very much. That’s not his game and isn’t something that usually develops for guys of his size.

 

 

 

So then your not drafting him at 25. You don’t take a 2 down player in the first round, no matter how good those two downs are in a passing league 

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, mannc said:

Two sacks this year, and he usually comes off the field on third down…no thanks. At least not at 25.

Yeah I was listening to Joe Marino's. Locked on Bills Podcast on this topic.  Joe had very similar stuff to say

 

* Guy is ranked 81st in Pressure among eligible DTs

* He has a mind set to stop the run. but not rush the passer...so he is not a 3-down lineman

* Opponents took advantage of his poor conditioning by going no-huddle 

* His own college coach called him out for having non-playing weight mass.

* He is NO Vita Vae

 

I don't think this guy meets. Sean or Beane philosophy

Edited March 6, 2022 by ganesh

[mannc]

13 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Yeah I was listening to Joe Marino's. Locked on Bills Podcast on this topic.  Joe had very similar stuff to say

 

* Guy is ranked 81st in Pressure among eligible DTs

* He has a mind set to stop the run. but not rush the passer...so he is not a 3-down lineman

* Opponents took advantage of his poor conditioning by going no-huddle 

* His own college coach called him out for having non-playing weight mass.

* He is NO Vita Vae

 

I don't think this guy meets. Sean or Beane philosophy

Yep.  Davis would do zero to put us over the top against the Chiefs. Reid and Mahomes would have Davis on the sidelines, sucking oxygen after two quarters. 

[BuffaloRebound]

18 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Yeah I was listening to Joe Marino's. Locked on Bills Podcast on this topic.  Joe had very similar stuff to say

 

* Guy is ranked 81st in Pressure among eligible DTs

* He has a mind set to stop the run. but not rush the passer...so he is not a 3-down lineman

* Opponents took advantage of his poor conditioning by going no-huddle 

* His own college coach called him out for having non-playing weight mass.

* He is NO Vita Vae

 

I don't think this guy meets. Sean or Beane philosophy

I don’t know.  I mean the guy is probably the best athlete on the planet for a guy that size.  At worst you’re getting a 2 down run stopper. At best you’re getting a guy who could be un-blockable if he wants to be great.  

[ndirish1978]

Travis Jones ran a 4.92 and we can get him in the 2nd and I'm not worried about his effort.

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Yep.  Davis would do zero to put us over the top against the Chiefs. Reid and Mahomes would have Davis on the sidelines, sucking oxygen after two quarters. 

This is so uneducated.  It takes a play here and there to change games and whith him eating double teams Oliver eats.  Rousseau eats.  If they eat Hyde poyer etc eat.  Edmunds and Milano are instantly better. 

 

All it takes is a play or two and we are the better team than KC and with a guy like this he gives the ability for the big playmaker to make a play. 

 

Not to mention he's 25 pounds down since end of season...him at a "lighter" weight could mean he is a 3 down guy.   See 10 yard split.  

 

If he's there at 25 you sprint to the podium. 

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Yeah I was listening to Joe Marino's. Locked on Bills Podcast on this topic.  Joe had very similar stuff to say

 

* Guy is ranked 81st in Pressure among eligible DTs

* He has a mind set to stop the run. but not rush the passer...so he is not a 3-down lineman

* Opponents took advantage of his poor conditioning by going no-huddle 

* His own college coach called him out for having non-playing weight mass.

* He is NO Vita Vae

 

I don't think this guy meets. Sean or Beane philosophy

Don't believe all you hear.  I'm a Dawgs fan and watched this guy from day one.  He's no lazy dareus.  He's struggled with conditioning more than anything which the 25 pounds down he is shows he can get in shape. 1 offseason with NFL staff and he will be what Starr was supposed to be. 

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I wish people would understand that this is not a bill’s type defensive tackle at least not someone that they would take high in a draft if you can’t rush the passer the bills are not interested

 

 

 

Plus, we need a 1T with Harry.  Star is done. 

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

So then your not drafting him at 25. You don’t take a 2 down player in the first round, no matter how good those two downs are in a passing league 

 

you still must be able to stop the run.  We don’t have anyone reliable there.   See Colts game

[gonzo1105]

10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

 

 

Plus, we need a 1T with Harry.  Star is done. 

 

you still must be able to stop the run.  We don’t have anyone reliable there.   See Colts game

Not really you can’t take a odd game and say see you need a 2 down run stuffer. This isn’t 1990. He’ll be taken out of most of the games with high passing attacks. So the Bills faced how many running teams last year. The Colts, Steelers, and Titans, throw the Pats in twice. So a schedule last year of 5 of 17 teams= 30% of the schedule he would have been of good value in as a 2 down player with no pass rush skills. It’s not worth a first rounder. The only way it makes sense is if he develops into Vita Vea which I don’t see. I think it’s more likely he eats his way out of the NFL than he does becoming a dominant pass rusher 

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, jkeerie said:

I actually like DeVonte Wyatt.  He beat Jordan's time and he can get after the QB.

Where is Wyatt projected to go?

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

So then your not drafting him at 25. You don’t take a 2 down player in the first round, no matter how good those two downs are in a passing league 

I agree. I hope the Bills aren't targeting him. 

[newcam2012]

33 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

This is so uneducated.  It takes a play here and there to change games and whith him eating double teams Oliver eats.  Rousseau eats.  If they eat Hyde poyer etc eat.  Edmunds and Milano are instantly better. 

 

All it takes is a play or two and we are the better team than KC and with a guy like this he gives the ability for the big playmaker to make a play. 

 

Not to mention he's 25 pounds down since end of season...him at a "lighter" weight could mean he is a 3 down guy.   See 10 yard split.  

 

If he's there at 25 you sprint to the podium. 

Don't believe all you hear.  I'm a Dawgs fan and watched this guy from day one.  He's no lazy dareus.  He's struggled with conditioning more than anything which the 25 pounds down he is shows he can get in shape. 1 offseason with NFL staff and he will be what Starr was supposed to be. 

Look at his play on the field. I don't put much stock in the combine results. Imho, too many red flags on this guy to take at 25. Hard pass for me. 

[Sestak4ever]

22 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Not really you can’t take a odd game and say see you need a 2 down run stuffer. This isn’t 1990. He’ll be taken out of most of the games with high passing attacks. So the Bills faced how many running teams last year. The Colts, Steelers, and Titans, throw the Pats in twice. So a schedule last year of 5 of 17 teams= 30% of the schedule he would have been of good value in as a 2 down player with no pass rush skills. It’s not worth a first rounder. The only way it makes sense is if he develops into Vita Vea which I don’t see. I think it’s more likely he eats his way out of the NFL than he does becoming a dominant pass rusher 

Let's see. We lost to the Colts, the Titans, the Steelers and once to the Pats. Sounds like we could use someone to stuff the run.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I don't think I've ever seen a perfect 10 RAS score before

[Motor26]

Personally like Wyatt more than Davis. He’s more stout and has more pass rush and potential as a 3 down player. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Jordan Davis at the combine

 

Broad jump 10'3

Vertical 32'

40 yard dash 4.78

 

This coming from someone who weighs 341 lbs

[BigAl2526]

That freakish foot speed means he might have higher upside than a two down run stuffer.  Whether or not the Bills think he's worth the 25th overall depends on the due diligence the Bills are able to do in assessing whether he can take advantage of that raw athleticism and turn into a three down player.

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Take a look at the one DT we have drafted in the 1st round and what his talents are......they dont use first round picks on run pluggers

Not so far with the Bills but they were there when the Panthers drafted Star in the first round.  They then overpaid for him to come here to be a run stuffer.  I wouldn't be surprised if Davis is the pick.

[CapeBreton]

3 hours ago, ganesh said:

Yeah I was listening to Joe Marino's. Locked on Bills Podcast on this topic.  Joe had very similar stuff to say

 

* Guy is ranked 81st in Pressure among eligible DTs

* He has a mind set to stop the run. but not rush the passer...so he is not a 3-down lineman

* Opponents took advantage of his poor conditioning by going no-huddle 

* His own college coach called him out for having non-playing weight mass.

* He is NO Vita Vae

 

I don't think this guy meets. Sean or Beane philosophy

I’ll be interested to hear what Joe Marino has to say about Jordan Davis after the impressive combine, he spent about 15 minutes talking about how Davis would be a terrible pick at 25. Maybe someone grabs him ahead of us now anyways. 

[gobills404]

Hopefully that 4.78 means he’s gone before our pick because I want nothing to do with him in the first.

[CDogg20]

Stopping the run has been our biggest concern for 2 years now. We desperately beed someone like him in the middle. Sign me up for him at 25 if he makes it

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Comparing Jordan Davis to JJ Watt

 

 

[Don Otreply]

Joe Marino had some interesting things to say about him, amongst them he said, the Bills likely don’t have him on their radar, and his history of being a fatty goes way back, gains and loses weight regularly, self admitted sweet tooth, might be worth the watch, jmo.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 hours ago, jkeerie said:

I actually like DeVonte Wyatt.  He beat Jordan's time and he can get after the QB.

I like Wyatt a lot. Here they are side by side. I would put money in the Bills taking Wyatt if both were there at 25. 

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[mannc]

26 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Joe Marino had some interesting things to say about him, amongst them he said, the Bills likely don’t have him on their radar, and his history of being a fatty goes way back, gains and loses weight regularly, self admitted sweet tooth, might be worth the watch, jmo.

I sure once he signs his multi-million $ guaranteed contract he’ll be more motivated to stay in shape…

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

I sure once he signs his multi-million $ guaranteed contract he’ll be more motivated to stay in shape…

Not always the case, as we Bills fans have seen in the not so distant past, ie; Marcel Darius…, and that other first round O line guy we drafted further back in the ugly years, maybe this guy will get serious with his weight gain issues, I certainly hope so for his sake. But he certainly has a history in that way. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Everyone in here is talking about stamina and weight. We don't run a defense that puts stress on DL like that. It doesn't matter what DT we draft, he's not likely to top 60% of snaps, and that's if he's as good as Ed Oliver. Oliver probably averages 55%. Harrison Phillips out snapped Oliver.

 

I don't really care if Davis is only used in run situations. In this defense that's huge. I also believe Davis will free up others to rush the passer. I don't think he'll be a liability when teams pass. The big thing I need to know about Davis is effort. Does the guy love football and does he play hard. His weight can be tracked and managed. I need to know the effort is there all the time.

 

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[LyndonvilleBill]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I like Wyatt a lot. Here they are side by side. I would put money in the Bills taking Wyatt if both were there at 25. 

 

 

 

That picture is just not fair to Wyatt!!  Makes him look so small.😱

[Thurman#1]

15 hours ago, mannc said:

Two sacks this year, and he usually comes off the field on third down…no thanks. At least not at 25.

 

 

If they draft him, it won't be for sacks.

 

And they might draft him at 25. Not that I met his best friend or any nonsense like that. Just that he's among o group of real possibilities at that point.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Everyone in here is talking about stamina and weight. We don't run a defense that puts stress on DL like that. It doesn't matter what DT we draft, he's not likely to top 60% of snaps, and that's if he's as good as Ed Oliver. Oliver probably averages 55%. Harrison Phillips out snapped Oliver.

 

I don't really care if Davis is only used in run situations. In this defense that's huge. I also believe Davis will free up others to rush the passer. I don't think he'll be a liability when teams pass. The big thing I need to know about Davis is effort. Does the guy love football and does he play hard. His weight can be tracked and managed. I need to know the effort is there all the time.

 

 

  Oliver 623 snaps and Phillips 474. Phillips outsnapped him by percentage, but not by snaps.

 

But I totally agree with you. He fits the scheme. They could certainly take someone else, but I'd bet they've done due diligence and more on this guy. 

[Magox]

12 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Heard he has had trouble with his weight and that he has a sweet tooth. Doesn’t sound very disciplined. Along with his near atrocious pass rushing he is a pass at 25 for me. 

It is not atrocious, against top competition he was a persistently a factor.  You’re just looking at his stats and coming to that conclusion, sort of like what many did with Josh Allen coming out of college.   His film shows that he is not just a bull rusher but actually has really good gap burst.  He could actually become a highly effective DT in helping collapse the pocket.   Not to mention his near 6’7 height would be a net positive in helping bat passes down and not providing a clear passing lane.

 

 
 

With that said, there is a question whether or not he has the discipline to continue to improve.  If he is just one of those guys that does the necessary to get by then he will end up being an OK DT tackle in the league, which is not what you would want out of your first round pick.   So for me it’s a matter of determining if he has that drive to continuously get better.  If so, then he ends up being a probowl caliber player.

[Fixxxer]

14 hours ago, Dopey said:

That Georgia defensive line was just incredible. To think, Jermaine Johnson had to transfer to get playing time. And even he could go top 10-15.

 

we only have to identify who's the John McCargo on that DL and not draft him.

 

Davonta Wyatt looks nasty. 

[Big Turk]

15 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

 

Ended up being a 4.78

 

That is insane!!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Ended up being a 4.78

 

That is insane!!

Everything he did was unreal. Honestly he could put back on 20 lbs and still be an unreal athlete. What he showed at the combine was freakish athleticism.

[mannc]

35 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

If they draft him, it won't be for sacks.

 

And they might draft him at 25. Not that I met his best friend or any nonsense like that. Just that he's among o group of real possibilities at that point.

If you say so.

[Thurman#1]

15 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Take a look at the one DT we have drafted in the 1st round and what his talents are......they dont use first round picks on run pluggers

 

 

Different needs at 3-tech and 1-tech.

 

They haven't drafted a massive 1-tech because they had one who they spent a ton on in FA. And that guy is no longer able to consistently stay available. They could do this. Don't know if they will, of course, but they could.

[whorlnut]

7 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Joe Marino had some interesting things to say about him, amongst them he said, the Bills likely don’t have him on their radar, and his history of being a fatty goes way back, gains and loses weight regularly, self admitted sweet tooth, might be worth the watch, jmo.

He also said that Davis has said his job is to get the other team to third and long. No mention of having any interest in getting after the passer on third down. Would absolutely hate this pick. He’s a two down player that struggles with weight.  No thanks… 

[BillsPride12]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I like Wyatt a lot. Here they are side by side. I would put money in the Bills taking Wyatt if both were there at 25. 

 

 

 

I highly doubt either of them being there at 25

I don't expect him to be there at 25 nor do I think that's who Beane has on his radar but for all the posters acting like he would not be a good weapon for the Bills to have must not have sat through those Patriots and Colts games last season where they ran the ball down our throat.  He would absolutely be an asset we could use.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, mannc said:

I sure once he signs his multi-million $ guaranteed contract he’ll be more motivated to stay in shape…

Can the Bills keep him away from Paula’s/Famous/Donut Kraze??