JGMcD2 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) Hiring a 25 year old ex QB to be quality control on defense strikes me as odd, at least on the surface. Edited February 11, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG 2 2 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Hiring a 25 year old ex QB to be quality control on defense strikes me as odd, at least on the surface. He’s likely just trying to get into coaching and took what was available. QC coaches do a lot of dirty work, doesn’t matter what position they played. 15 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I always viewed Pat Shurmur as Jauron 2.0 so I'm hoping that his son has a little bit more of a pulse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Hiring a 25 year old ex QB to be quality control on defense strikes me as odd, at least on the surface. A QB spends a lot of time studying what defenses do, so it makes a lot of sense to me. 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Quality coaches are mostly watching film and helping create playbooks etc. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma Pecoraro Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Holler at me when they hire Uhtred son of Uhtred. 3 15 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) While it struck me as odd at first, too, this is likey an entry-level position that involves a lot of administrative work, so it might not matter that much whether it's on offense or defense. I'm just speculating, but maybe "quality control" means making sure that practice and meeting schedules are posted, that a certain number of reps occurred in practice, etc. EDIT: While I was writing this, someone posted that quality control coaches watch a lot of film and help create playbooks. Edited February 11, 2022 by msw2112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s likely just trying to get into coaching and took what was available. QC coaches do a lot of dirty work, doesn’t matter what position they played. Get a foot in the door, work hard and prove yourself. Baby steps. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 However, the QCC doesn't really do much coaching at all. They spend all day multitasking, breaking down film up to five weeks in advance and analyzing data. They work all hours, in hotel lobbies, on airplanes and at their team's headquarters producing reports for their Head Coach. They do get to do some coaching though. The QC coaches often run the "Scout" team in practices. From their extensive film work and breaking down plays, the QCC can be a great help preparing their team because they know the tendencies of their opponents. They make sure the Scout teams give the starters an accurate look at what they'll face on Sunday in practice during game weeks. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Hiring a 25 year old ex QB to be quality control on defense strikes me as odd, at least on the surface. Happens often. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: A QB spends a lot of time studying what defenses do, so it makes a lot of sense to me. I think Daboll was a defensive QC early on at one point. William and Mary maybe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Daboll was a defensive QC early on at one point. William and Mary maybe. Could be a Belichick thing but Josh McDaniel also was a defensive QC for NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Augie said: Get a foot in the door, work hard and prove yourself. Baby steps. Have a father as a known coach, play in the league at QB as well. These guys can fail their way to the top. See: Nathaniel Hackett. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, Momma Pecoraro said: Holler at me when they hire Uhtred son of Uhtred. Bebbanburg has a crappy defense.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Shea Tierney (exited to become the Giants QB Coach) used to set up the scout team defense to give the offense looks during the week. Wonder if Kyle will take on part of that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 He hangs with the wrong crowd 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Gotta start somewhere. It’s also likely that the whole family knows more about NFL defenses than anyone one this message board. His dad’s uncle basically invented many of the modern defensive schemes like the big nickel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, ngbills said: Quality coaches are mostly watching film and helping create playbooks etc. Little known fact: The bribe money spent on these guys is the third highest line item for Bill Belichick’s black ops budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 42 minutes ago, HOUSE said: He hangs with the wrong crowd Nowhere to go but up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Yawn...somebody please wake me up when we actually make a change on defense that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawning Frog Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Yawn...somebody please wake me up when we actually make a change on defense that matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Hiring a 25 year old ex QB to be quality control on defense strikes me as odd, at least on the surface. It's not odd. Guys switch sides of the ball often. I'd say it would be requirement if I was in charge to have someone from the 'other side of the ball' working with the coaching staff in some capacity. McDermott has spoken before about he's in the offense's meeting and shares with them how he'd attack what they're trying to do.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: the NFL has a serious nepotism problem. Kyle Shurmur will probably be a head coach some day— just like Kyle Shanahan, Nathaniel Hackett, steve Bellichick, etc. That is the bigger underlying issue that is a root cause of all the Rooney Rule issues. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 He can get both offensive and defensive coaches coffee and bagels, but defense first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 What does a Defensive Quality Coach do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Hiring a 25 year old ex QB to be quality control on defense strikes me as odd, at least on the surface. Why? As a QB, he has spent more time studying defenses in his career than anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Ex Vanderbilt QB. Oy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: the NFL has a serious nepotism problem. Kyle Shurmur will probably be a head coach some day— just like Kyle Shanahan, Nathaniel Hackett, steve Bellichick, etc. That is the bigger underlying issue that is a root cause of all the Rooney Rule issues. I’d like to know what industry doesn’t have a nepotism problem. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, K-9 said: I’d like to know what industry doesn’t have a nepotism problem. A lot don’t. A lot of companies have very strict nepotism policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: I’d like to know what industry doesn’t have a nepotism problem. Porn? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s likely just trying to get into coaching and took what was available. QC coaches do a lot of dirty work, doesn’t matter what position they played. He's also the son of Pat Shurmur who has connection to McDermott. Doing a favor for a friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Hiring a 25 year old ex QB to be quality control on defense strikes me as odd, at least on the surface. Odd until you remember the level of cronyism and nepotism present in the NFL… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, K-9 said: I’d like to know what industry doesn’t have a nepotism problem. My wife who has 20 years as a manager competes against children of supervisors with almost no experience and loses. Nepotism can be good (deciding on which candidate to hire as a very low entry position where fit and willing to follow instructions is most important) or bad (people skipping working up career ladder and grunt work due to family ties in non-family owned business), 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: A QB spends a lot of time studying what defenses do, so it makes a lot of sense to me. Exactly, a QB knows when a defense is kicking azs and taking names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 41 minutes ago, K-9 said: I’d like to know what industry doesn’t have a nepotism problem. Porn? Prostitution? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 48 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: the NFL has a serious nepotism problem. Kyle Shurmur will probably be a head coach some day— just like Kyle Shanahan, Nathaniel Hackett, steve Bellichick, etc. That is the bigger underlying issue that is a root cause of all the Rooney Rule issues. Societies worldwide have a huge nepotism problem…., it’s how humans do things, for better or worse, it is what it is, we can only acknowledge it and try different things to combat it. Such as the Rooney rule…, Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: the NFL has a serious nepotism problem. Kyle Shurmur will probably be a head coach some day— just like Kyle Shanahan, Nathaniel Hackett, steve Bellichick, etc. That is the bigger underlying issue that is a root cause of all the Rooney Rule issues. Hahaha I love dismissing someone getting a job because of their name. He was hired as an entry level coach and you know nothing about his knowledge of the game. Come on, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 hours ago, mushypeaches said: I always viewed Pat Shurmur as Jauron 2.0 so I'm hoping that his son has a little bit more of a pulse He's the defensive quality control coach. He's not drawing up his own schemes. In case anyone wonders what a QC coach does: https://www.milehighreport.com/2011/3/11/2043379/the-role-of-an-nfl-quality-control-coach-denver-broncos-football-scouting I could have it mixed, but it's my understanding that the defensive QC assistant puts together the film and reports on the tendencies of the offenses we're about to face. So a former offensive player makes sense in that job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Hahaha I love dismissing someone getting a job because of their name. He was hired as an entry level coach and you know nothing about his knowledge of the game. Come on, man. I think like most things it’s a messaging problem. Quality Coach…really? Other than winning is there another version of quality they’re striving for? Did the other players and coaches not know they were striving for winning…as a ‘quality’? 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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