Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) When Lovie Smith, gets a head coaching job over Frazier. Is Lovie really better than Frazier? Lovie’s defense was horrible last year except when he played the Jets and Lovie’s tenure in Illinois was something you would not write the books about. I know the Kanas City game was a disaster and it would be hard to sell a fan base on that game but even I think Frazier is better then Lovie Smith. Edited February 8, 2022 by Marvlevydraftdaygenius 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I know, write?! 2 1 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: When Lovie Smith, gets a head coaching job over Frazier. Is Lovie really better than Frazier? Love’s defense was horrible last year except when he played the Jets and Lovie’s tenure in Illinois was something you would not rights books about. I know the Kanas City game was a disaster and it would be hard to sell a fan base on that game but even I think Frazier is better then Lovie Smith. I think Lovie's another bandaid. I wish him the best of luck with the Texans. He's gonna need it. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Nobody wants the Texans job. Lovie is just already there. Toxic place right now 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 In house candidate that will be grateful for the job and likely be agreeable to whatever coaching additions (McCown, Pep Hamilton) that the Texans brass want him to add. Wouldn't shock me if they called Frazier at some point and he laughed at them and hung up. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: When Lovie Smith, gets a head coaching job over Frazier. Is Lovie really better than Frazier? Love’s defense was horrible last year except when he played the Jets and Lovie’s tenure in Illinois was something you would not rights books about. I know the Kanas City game was a disaster and it would be hard to sell a fan base on that game but even I think Frazier is better then Lovie Smith. I think a lot had to do with Lovie having been their DC and Asst HC already. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 To be fair, Smith did get the Bears to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman behind center. Additionally, I don’t think you can judge HC candidates based solely on standings and statistics. Ability to manage, delegate and be a leader of men certainly play a role. Maybe Frazier is just a poor interviewee? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I’ll make millions on a one year deal to coach any team😎 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: When Lovie Smith, gets a head coaching job over Frazier. Is Lovie really better than Frazier? Love’s defense was horrible last year except when he played the Jets and Lovie’s tenure in Illinois was something you would not rights books about. I know the Kanas City game was a disaster and it would be hard to sell a fan base on that game but even I think Frazier is better then Lovie Smith. People know that Leslie is Calling and Coaching McD defense. Leslie is a Cover-2 coach, and we are a Cover-3 McD Defense. So interviews likely show to that again that his defense that he pitches is back into the Cover-2 mindset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Just now, ScottLaw said: Well… he did say he doesn’t like to make adjustments to the game plan this past season … Not something any GM or owner would want to hear from a prospective hire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 The Texans job is just another placeholder, whoever takes it knows they'll likely only be there 1 year before they get the Culley treatment. It's as bad a situation as any NFL job could be. No idea if Frazier would've even taken it, but he'd have likely ended up with the same fate. Lovie's career record as HC is 89-87, Frazier's is 21-32-1. So I guess there's some basis for their thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 If they won the Chiefs game and completely laid an egg in the AFCCG, Frazier still would have gotten a HC job. 13 seconds was the high school equivalent of farting in gym class and then running for class president. He was only going to get pity votes. 2 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 A lot has to do with the Texans and the culture within the building currently. They aren't attracting high end candidates, not with Easterby there. I think this is more a move to stablize and be a placeholder really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) I have a feeling there will be a 30 for 30 or some other type of documentary done on the Houston Texans debacle when it is all said and done. Lots going on down there. Good luck to Lovie, always seems like a nice man. Edited February 8, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Not surprising he didn't get a HC job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Frazier made it to the final two for the Texans job last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Well… he did say he doesn’t like to make adjustments to the game plan this past season … He definitely didn't make any adjustments at 13 seconds. No one is hiring him after that debacle. We're stuck with him and this confusing relationship between him & McD. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Wait, is this a disguised "Are we over-reacting to the 13 seconds?" Part Deux thread? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think a lot had to do with Lovie having been their DC and Asst HC already. Shhh. Don't let facts get in the way.... He already took the day off from work, the torches are soaking in kerosene and he is half way done sharpening his pitchfork. Just let him tire himself out. He will fall asleep on his own. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 26 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: To be fair, Smith did get the Bears to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman behind center. Additionally, I don’t think you can judge HC candidates based solely on standings and statistics. Ability to manage, delegate and be a leader of men certainly play a role. Maybe Frazier is just a poor interviewee? I had wondered why Lovey hadn't gotten another HC job after leaving the Bears i thought he was a decent coach & would have been good for some team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Just now, T master said: I had wondered why Lovey hadn't gotten another HC job after leaving the Bears i thought he was a decent coach & would have been good for some team . He did. In Tampa. And went 8-24. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, benderbender said: If they won the Chiefs game and completely laid an egg in the AFCCG, Frazier still would have gotten a HC job. 13 seconds was the high school equivalent of farting in gym class and then running for class president. He was only going to get pity votes. Fart? I would say it was more like a shart. A fart you might be able escape unscathed from responsibility but that 13 seconds debacle was a shart for sure. Much more visible and a nasty situation hard to escape! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 48 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: When Lovie Smith, gets a head coaching job over Frazier. Is Lovie really better than Frazier? Love’s defense was horrible last year except when he played the Jets and Lovie’s tenure in Illinois was something you would not rights books about. I know the Kanas City game was a disaster and it would be hard to sell a fan base on that game but even I think Frazier is better then Lovie Smith. Lack of interest can come from either side. Correction: the last 13 seconds of the KC game was a disaster, but the fact that the game got to that point was not. 7 minutes ago, T master said: I had wondered why Lovey hadn't gotten another HC job after leaving the Bears i thought he was a decent coach & would have been good for some team . Tampa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Frazier made it to the final two for the Texans job last year. And they didn’t bring him back this time. It’s bizarre. (Unless there’s something that we don’t know about Frazier that happened in the interim, but that seems unlikely.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He did. In Tampa. And went 8-24. But to be fair - his first year there was obviously a "tank" year with no QB - er, I mean, with Josh McCown as QB Then they drafted Jameis Winston and in his first year, the team looked like they'd turned it around. It kind of looked to me as though the Buccaneers Freddy Kitchened him. 4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: And they didn’t bring him back this time. It’s bizarre. (Unless there’s something that we don’t know about Frazier that happened in the interim, but that seems unlikely.) Maybe Frazier said "no thank you" after the way the Texans kicked Culley to the curb after a single year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
out Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 If I were Frazier I would be tired of running the Mcd defense. I would gracefully leave and coach where I was running my own show. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: But to be fair - his first year there was obviously a "tank" year with no QB - er, I mean, with Josh McCown as QB Then they drafted Jameis Winston and in his first year, the team looked like they'd turned it around. It kind of looked to me as though the Buccaneers Freddy Kitchened him. Meh. I was not sold even the Jameis year that he had that team headed the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 We don't know if McD is over ruling Frazier on play calling, like 13 seconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He definitely didn't make any adjustments at 13 seconds. No one is hiring him after that debacle. We're stuck with him and this confusing relationship between him & McD. this is what I don't understand. Frazier is at best, an average DC. NO ONE wants him for HC. Why are we keeping him? The 13 seconds of non-adjustments and bend and don't break D was exactly how the team played all year. Yeah, we rocked it against poor QBs. Against good QBs, nope. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Lovie is already comfortable when Easterby holds his hand during Kumbaya in the locker room. This was a deal breaker for Culley I am told (sarc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Lovie Smith got hired because by all appearances the Texans fired Culley unfairly to bring in McCown, who I don't believe has coached in any capacity, as their HC. Flores' lawsuit came out and the clownshow leadership over there actually had a cogent thought and said "I don't think we can pull off this obviously nonsensical move this year without becoming the poster team for hiring discrimination" so they pivoted and acted like Lovie had been their double secret probation candidate all along. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) Lovie is familiar with the management, team, and players having already been in Houston. He did lead Chicago to a Super Bowl as HC with a terrible QB. He's respected by players and he's a calming, even keel presence. Houston is a disaster, and they could have done much worse. Lovie Smith's record is clearly better than either Frazier or Flores. And it isn't even close. He has more wins, more years of head coaching experience, more playoff wins, and more Super Bowl and conference title appearances than Frazier and Flores combined. Edited February 8, 2022 by TheFunPolice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He did. In Tampa. And went 8-24. Can you say BRAIN FART !! Now i remember Thanks ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Texans clearly wanted to hire McCown. They waited too long and put themselves in a position that it would have looked absolutely horrible for them and the NFL if they went down that path. So they pivoted. Smith has the better HC resume, including a super bowl and I think that is where he beats out Leslie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBobs Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: this is what I don't understand. Frazier is at best, an average DC. NO ONE wants him for HC. Why are we keeping him? The 13 seconds of non-adjustments and bend and don't break D was exactly how the team played all year. Yeah, we rocked it against poor QBs. Against good QBs, nope. This team had the best defense in the league entering the playoffs with the top passing defense and top scoring defense. It is laughable that you would replace your coordinator after that type of season long performance. This without White for the final five games of the season, with Mario Addison leading the team in sacks and a hobbled Harry Phillips anchoring the run defense. I get frustration after the loss but moving on from Fraiser would be classic throwing of the baby out with the bathwater. As for the Texans, as others have said, I think it's obvious that the top tier candidates are not interested in going into that environment. They probably looked at the options and realized any difference between a Lovie Smith (the inarguably more experienced Head Coach) and someone like a Leslie Fraiser or Brian Flores two similarly defensive minded coaches were negligible enough to be offset by their comfort with the candidate already on the team. 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said: This team had the best defense in the league entering the playoffs with the top passing defense and top scoring defense. It is laughable that you would replace your coordinator after that type of season long performance. This without White for the final five games of the season, with Mario Addison leading the team in sacks and a hobbled Harry Phillips anchoring the run defense. I get frustration after the loss but moving on from Fraiser would be classic throwing of the baby out with the bathwater. THIS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I think if a coordinator can say “I called the number one defense in football and did it without a single pro bowler” he should be expedited to the nearest HC vacancy. I put much more stock in All Pro votes than Pro Bowl nominations, but I really think that 13 seconds cost him an opportunity. It was talked about everywhere and canceled many of the great things Frazier did this year. With that said, it feels like his defense fails against competent offenses more often than not and I’d prefer a more aggressive play caller. Don’t see McD moving on from him though, so he’s ours at least for another year. Also don’t see us having access to any blue chip prospects that could help his scheme. Expect more of the same next year - great against bottom feeder or one-sided offenses, middling against good QBs or balanced attacks. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Might Rather Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I think Frazier knows he is in a better spot here. If he wants a HC gig he'd be better off waiting for one with at least a chance for success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 You mean Brian Flores didnt get it? I thought for sure Stephen Ross would put a good word in for him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe Frazier said "no thank you" after the way the Texans kicked Culley to the curb after a single year. Could be. But it’s hard to imagine someone who wants to be a HC turning down such a job at his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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