YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, MWK said: Could the speculation have been true? Dont know if he could make a lateral move. McDermott probably wanted a better run game and less gimmicky plays in critical situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: If that's the take away you had from that game....whoa Nelly. I took many things away from that day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Process said: There was also a report recently, I can't remember the source, that said Frazier wanted out, wasn't there? Frazier can go, McDermott always takes over when he starts screwing up, probably cost the game in those 13 seconds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Who cares. Daboll thought he was going to be a coach in 2021 cycle and didnt get it, furthermore he was pissy because McDermott publicly stated they needed to be more balanced on offense. I honestly think he came off like a goof in his opening press conference. Three years from now, Daboll will be asking for his job back. haven't seen his presser, any highlights ? 5 hours ago, london_bills said: A text here that said Frazier wanted out and heath farwell would 'resign' over the chiefs ending. Sounds like a whole lot of finger pointing when down after the game about the 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. It was blatantly obvious there was some sort of power struggle going on throughout the season based on McDermott's public comments alone. Also makes sense they didn't waste much time trying to bring in an outside hire to fill the OC spot and stuck with a guy who will probably be forced to be McDermott's lackey in Dorsey. I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason McDermott's seat may be very hot in 2022. Doubt it , McDermott will get the process haters out, and as long as we have Josh Allen we will be competitive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: His seat is room temp. If they don’t make an appearance in the SB next year? The seat gets hot - real hot. Times a-wastin’ I don’t think ownership sees it that way, regardless of how some fans may. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think ownership sees it that way, regardless of how some fans may. The complete void of media pressure is a detriment to the team. Always has been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We have no idea. If I were Schoen, and I wanted to be the GM and wanted to hire Brian Daboll, the LAST thing I would do would be to suggest to my new employers that maybe they could hire someone other than My Guy, and still recruit him as OC, so it doesn't seem likely to me. I am not saying I know anything, the talking points for me are: Bobby Johnson leaves for a lateral position - the Bills didn't want him. It is suggested Daboll would be available for a lateral move - the Bills didn't want him. I am not saying there is animosity driving this, just amounts to an agreement to go their separate ways. If you and your boss are at odds about business decisions it's time for you to go it alone. Beane mentioned in his press conference that he and McDermott had a plan to handle losses on the personnel side, they knew who the group they didn't want to lose and the group they were ok losing. Schoen is a big part of a group of men that spent large amounts of time together, so I'm making the leap that if there was strife in the office he knew about it. I have to assume Schoen approached Daboll and said hey, if I go I want you with me. As part of the GM interview Schoen needs to lay out a plan for his new franchise, acquisition of coaches, players, staff. He may have mentioned during the interview his thoughts on Daboll and what position he would be able to fill, which then was passed around the NYG front office. Normally these types of conversations don't make it out of the building so there probably wasn't a thought to muzzle something like Daboll will be your OC if you get the head coaching job when discussing with Flores. Look at what happened to Flores in Miami; why was he let go - he won too many games. In the end he went against the wished of his boss. If Flores didn't have the stones to bring all that happened to the public you would never know what happened. Signs like playing Fitz for part of the games to try and win and Gailey leaving after one year point to some internal strife like the coach is trying to balance different goals (development vs winning) which he shouldn't have to be doing if everyone in the front office is pulling in the same direction. Heck, Culley was cut because he didn't share the long term goals of the club. What does that mean? Seems to me he won too many games too. I would love to hear what the GM in his ear was telling Culley to do, probably trying to get him to lose games. Take the Doug Marrone/Whaley incident a few years back where they were yelling at each other. Do you think that was not a factor in Marrone leaving? Or that was one of a list of issues Marrone had when he left? As far as I'm concerned, there is certainly smoke about, so yes there are some ideas. There may not be proof but there are certainly some dots to connect. Really some butting of heads is expected and it's not all bad. Seems to me like both McD and Daboll are ready and willing to move on and that's what's happening. I'm sure they will be gracious in public about it and carefully choose their words when they talk about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Believe what you like my friend but the evidence is starting to pile up that McDermott is in over his head. Maybe you should concentrate on your friends on NE. It seems like your boy Belichick is in over his head since he got old and his coach on the field retired to Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I am not saying I know anything, the talking points for me are: Bobby Johnson leaves for a lateral position - the Bills didn't want him. It is suggested Daboll would be available for a lateral move - the Bills didn't want him. -Bobby Johnson's contract was up. It was reported that the Bills tried to extend him and he declined the extension. So I'm not sure how you get from "leaves...Bills didn't want him". If anything, the logical conclusion would be Johnson didn't want the Bills. -Daboll in fact left for a promotion. He was still under contract with the Bills, not relieved of his duties. Someone in the Giants FO allegedly suggested in a tweet to Flores that "“Heard Daboll isn’t happy with Sean [McDermott] in Buffalo . . . might be able to get of if he doesn’t get a head job. . . thoughts?'” Taking that at face value the logical conclusion would be that Daboll didn't want the Bills, not that the Bills didn't want Daboll. The text said "might be able to get out..." not "would be able to get out". IMHO "Heard ..... " is pretty flimsy evidence. It's not text from Schoen, or anything Daboll said, it's at best 3rd hand. So I don't know that it even represents proof that Daboll wasn't happy in Buffalo. I can think of other explanations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) The rift pry happened when Sean said, "Hey Brian. How the ***** did we only score six points against Jacksonville?" 2 hours ago, ganesh said: It is Win Now league....If he doesn't win in. 2 years, he will be gone. Do you really trust the Pegula's to hire someone better? I know they've been great with the Sabres but I just question their football acumen. Edited February 2, 2022 by Doc Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I'm not happy with McDermott. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: -Bobby Johnson's contract was up. It was reported that the Bills tried to extend him and he declined the extension. So I'm not sure how you get from "leaves...Bills didn't want him". If anything, the logical conclusion would be Johnson didn't want the Bills. -Daboll in fact left for a promotion. He was still under contract with the Bills, not relieved of his duties. Someone in the Giants FO allegedly suggested in a tweet to Flores that "“Heard Daboll isn’t happy with Sean [McDermott] in Buffalo . . . might be able to get of if he doesn’t get a head job. . . thoughts?'” Taking that at face value the logical conclusion would be that Daboll didn't want the Bills, not that the Bills didn't want Daboll. The text said "might be able to get out..." not "would be able to get out". IMHO "Heard ..... " is pretty flimsy evidence. It's not text from Schoen, or anything Daboll said, it's at best 3rd hand. Do you have a link for the declined contract? A quick search is not coming up with anything for me. As far as whether the Bills wanted these guys or vice versa, really I look at it just like the players about to be free agents. Take Wallace for example, Beane says to the effect "we'll sign him if he really wants to be here". Who wants who in this case? The Bills want to pay Levi the value they have for him, Levi might (and probably does) have a different higher value that he is looking for. If for example the Bills thought Wallace was better than Tre or they really saw his skills as irreplaceable they'd find a way to sign him. I'm not trying to suggest that anything dramatic is going on here, that either one of these guys suck or whatever, I think it's just a case that it's time for a breakup; they both are not getting what they need from the relationship so it's time to go their separate ways. As far as what Flores has relayed through his lawyer and this suit, as far as I'm concerned he's in the victim zone so I tend to believe what he says a little bit more than folks not falling on a sword here. He is trying to shine a light on what's going on and I'm actually assuming there was a lot of info that is not included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: haven't seen his presser, any highlights ? I thought his press conference was fine. He sounded confident and competent. Used some of the Bills / McD language. Talked about making Daniel Jones “the best version of himself” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bAjSrefjrlA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Did Daboll say much about Sean during his presser? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said: The complete void of media pressure is a detriment to the team. Always has been. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 If McDermott stepped in a few times I'm glad he did so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 They just lost one of the greatest football games ever played and it will for ever be remembered that the Bills lost cuz of coaching. I'd imagine even if these guys are best friends they probably had some things to say about eachother. Like all competitive men they were probably pissed and vented some frustrations. I could easily see daboll being pissed and visibly frustrated and that taken as "daboll wants out" by the front office. There's probably still alot of anger and frustration from that loss cuz there were serious blunders from all coaches that lead to a loss, but I'd be willing to bet there's no serious conflict or dislike between daboll, mcd, Frazier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 7 hours ago, TBBills said: It's massive for the rooney rule but that is about it. It isn't massive for McDermott in any way. It isn't going to have any impact on the season... the season will play on. I agree with you, pretty much. The only real ramifications it could have, for our team, is if the fracture, or conflict between McDermott and Daboll was big enough that players take sides. We've already seen guys like Diggs express how sorry they are to see Daboll go...and if you listened to the Isaiah McKenzie interview, it almost sounds like Daboll went above and beyond to be friends with the players. Ultimately, I think that could hurt him in the head coaching position in New Jersey, but I don't think any of this necessarily hurts the Bills. I would have been happy to have Daboll back as the OC, provided everyone was playing nice together...but I am not panicking over him leaving. In this day and age, especially, the QB makes the OC as much as the other way around. Not saying Daboll doesn't deserve credit for bringing Allen along nicely, but he has arrived. We are okay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Unfortunately, with the hiring discrimination claims, I see a Congressional investigation coming. Wish they’d stay in their lanes and do some legit work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 8 hours ago, ganesh said: It is Win Now league....If he doesn't win in. 2 years, he will be gone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I had to go look but he was talking about Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I had to go look but he was talking about Daboll. Oh. Thanks. Well for all you McDermott pitch fork people the post still stands. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 This fits my theory that halfway thru the season Daboll was somehow made aware that we will have a running game with or without him. Maybe not in those terms but to the same effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 12 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Believe what you like my friend but the evidence is starting to pile up that McDermott is in over his head. And this started long before he figured out how to single handedly blow the Chiefs game and blow one of the best shots this franchise had at a SB again since the 90's. OK, yeah. He's taken the team to the playoffs 4 of 5 years, once with Tyrod Taylor. Won the AFC East twice. Went to the AFC Championship game once. Look man, I get you have an opinion (which happens to be based on nothing valuable), but enough of the crusade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 9 hours ago, london_bills said: I think the poster is referring to what Daboll said in his latest interview on GMF.. when asked about drawing a comparison between Daniel Jones and Josh Allen, Daboll said he thought it was unfair and 'It took a village to help Josh'. They were looking to cause a reaction I'm sure. Thanx couldn’t find the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said: They just lost one of the greatest football games ever played and it will for ever be remembered that the Bills lost cuz of coaching. I'd imagine even if these guys are best friends they probably had some things to say about eachother. Like all competitive men they were probably pissed and vented some frustrations. I could easily see daboll being pissed and visibly frustrated and that taken as "daboll wants out" by the front office. There's probably still alot of anger and frustration from that loss cuz there were serious blunders from all coaches that lead to a loss, but I'd be willing to bet there's no serious conflict or dislike between daboll, mcd, Frazier. The text message in question was before the Chiefs game, though (January 11). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 14 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I mean everyone hates bill belichick right as far as an employer goes…but he wins. It’s not a popularity contest lol Same with Parcells. He and Simms would scream at each other on the sidelines during games (Phil said this happened) and Parcells wasn't shy about voicing his opinion in either complimenting a player or tearing him a new one. Yet he won just like Bill did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Oh the drama Who cares ? BTW notice how Bellicheat is involved. Can't beat them on the field destroy them off it. POS 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Oh the drama Who cares ? BTW notice how Bellicheat is involved. Can't beat them on the field destroy them off it. POS "POS?! Who cares?! Oh, I care, Mr. JMF2006. My operatives get done with you, there will be Ford Pintos blowing up that Camaro of yours off the line..." Edited February 2, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Most likely true that they did not see eye to eye and it may explain why Daboll was trying to run the ball in 2nd and 3rd quarters of KC game. Bill did not open things up until they fell behind. I just hope Sean does not put handcuffs on Dorsey and our offence & Allen take steps back . End of the day this is still a passing league and while you still need to mix in the run it's all about which teams can pass the football. Fans should take note before trashing Daboll, our two best offensive player Allen and Diggs loved him. Diggs talked about how Daboll made him a better player and was tough when needed. It was not Daboll who screwed up late in that game and cost the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Oh the drama Who cares ? BTW notice how Bellicheat is involved. Can't beat them on the field destroy them off it. POS Someone who cared would dig into why Belichick would have been in contact with either Buffalo or NYG about the Giants HC job. The answer is likely he wasn't, and was probably being told this information by a certain person whose father was a hardcore New England Patriot fan...and who also had a big part in the whole WFT wagon-circling that got Gruden fired but nothing else. Edited February 2, 2022 by pocoboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 We'll see how much the 'bloom is off the rose' when Barkley is called to run straight ahead on 3rd and 8 for the fifth time in a game, Giants down by 17 in the third quarter. 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 16 hours ago, london_bills said: A text here that said Frazier wanted out and heath farwell would 'resign' over the chiefs ending. This is pure BS…. I haven’t seen any credible sources report this and it’s been almost 2 weeks since the season ended for Buffalo. These moves would’ve been made already 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) If this is true I am even more amazed by McD. Despite misgivings, he never called the OC out, no signs of a power struggle were evident and yet the team managed to gain some balance. It was clear Daboll saw himself as OC (get off my porch) Boss and still McD kept the culture. I remember a few years ago when McD took over defense play calling for one game. Yet he refused to call Leslie out and turned the reins back over to him one game later. The guy is a leader. Give him a break, we're lucky to have him, despite the 13 seconds. Edited February 2, 2022 by foreboding 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rigotz said: I see you're still in pain. It's gonna be ok. You see: "I see you're still in pain. It's gonna be ok." Post is really saying: Burn, you bastard, burn! 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, pocoboy said: Someone who cared would dig into why Belichick would have been in contact with either Buffalo or NYG about the Giants HC job. The answer is likely he wasn't, and was probably being told this information by a certain person whose father was a hardcore New England Patriot fan...and who also had a big part in the whole WFT wagon-circling that got Gruden fired but nothing else. BB has been the NFL for 47 years. I imagine he has one or two contacts in other teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Greg Cosell whose only been doing this since the 80s said point blank the Bills are the most QB centric NFL team he’s ever seen For Sean and Brian to not get along I can see it. How many times on this board did people ask do we even know what a slant or screen pass are? Till the Tampa game wondering if our running backs not named Josh Allen even exist. It’s even obvious from Brandon Beanes comments the O is going to be a little more balanced to protect Josh. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Greg Cosell whose only been doing this since the 80s said point blank the Bills are the most QB centric NFL team he’s ever seen For Sean and Brian to not get along I can see it. How many times on this board did people ask do we even know what a slant or screen pass are? Till the Tampa game wondering if our running backs not named Josh Allen even exist. It’s even obvious from Brandon Beanes comments the O is going to be a little more balanced to protect Josh. I am glad you brought this up. I was going to. Cosell spoke at length about the problems with the Bills offense about 9-10 games in, and he made an excellent point. He said that running the ball consistently with your running backs isn’t just about gaining rushing yardage, but also about getting d-linemen moving sideways in anticipation. That, he said, is what opens up play action and takes the pressure off of your QB. If you’re clearly de-emphasizing a conventional running game, d-linemen don’t have to worry much about moving laterally to effectively defend rushing plays. Instead, they can just get after the QB. You gotta know that McDermott knows this, and I can only imagine that there were some intense arguments, especially in that phase where the Bills were basically running a spread offense (one that was utterly exposed vs Jax, vs Indy, and vs TB in the first half of that game). To be sure, Daboll adapted and the Bills offense became much more multiple down the stretch. But there may well be some lingering resentment on both of their parts (e.g., McDermott may blame him for the Jax loss, which was a terribly called game on offense). I certainly don’t know for sure if that’s the root of the problem, but it could be. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.