timekills17 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) On 1/26/2022 at 10:05 PM, HurlyBurly51 said: QB coach to OC is not lateral. Per NFL Rules technically (heh) it is with a big BUT: What has changed since 2020, is teams can no longer block a member from interviewing for a "lateral" move to a coordinator for other teams. NFL ANNOUNCES NEW STEPS TO ENHANCE DIVERSITY (nflcommunications.com) Quote (i) After the conclusion of the regular season through March 1, clubs are prohibited from denying an assistant coach the opportunity to interview with a new team for a bona fide Offensive Coordinator, Defensive Coordinator, or Special Teams Coordinator position. Any dispute regarding whether the new team is offering a "bona fide" position will be submitted promptly to the Commissioner, whose determination shall be final, binding and not subject to further review. The Commissioner shall be authorized to request any information that he deems necessary from the clubs involved in the dispute, and he may consult with the Workplace Diversity Committee or Diversity Advisory Panel at his discretion. Criteria for hiring club: In order for permission to be automatically granted, such a request cannot be for a shared position. A shared position is defined to include: If there is another coach or consultant at the same position; If there is a coach or consultant who has a similar responsibility title with the prefix "co-"; If on the side of the ball for which permission is sought, there is a coach or consultant who has any coordinating responsibility (run game coordinator, pass game coordinator, etc.) or who had such responsibility in the prior season. In order to ask for permission, there can be no assistant coach on the hiring club's staff who has the title of assistant head coach or its equivalent. For the purposes of this policy, the coordinator (offensive, defensive, or special teams) is defined as an individual whose job responsibilities at least include: Leads/coordinates all "team" meetings on their side of the ball; Reports directly to the Head Coach and supervises the position coaches on their side of the ball; and Must play a role in the development of the game plan but is not required to call the plays during games. Edited January 28, 2022 by timekills17 Removed some detail that confused the relevant portion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Heavy Kevi said: Right. Well not really "new" in terms of the 24 he news cycle, but yeah that's why I started this thread. I keep reading Daboll is taking dorsey with him, but that seems at odds with Josh clearly wanting Dorsey and McBeane saying they'll take Josh's opinion into consideration. Dorsey coached at Lakewood Ranch HS in Sarasota so he must’ve lived there already to take that job. Florida is probably attractive to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just make him head coach the way Josh talked about him. does he win less than 10 games with this roster? does any coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: Just make him head coach the way Josh talked about him. does he win less than 10 games with this roster? does any coach? Why not make Daboll the head coach then if we're talking crazy like you are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 7:49 AM, Codyny13 said: I don’t think the bills would release him from contract to make a lateral Move. It wouldn't be a lateral move. He's the QB coach now with the Bills and a job elsewhere would be as an OC. If he DOES sign on as the new OC, then it would indeed be a lateral move to another team's OC position, but why would he sign here if he wants to go elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Why not make Daboll the head coach then if we're talking crazy like you are? Sounds good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 My question is why would want to leave Allen and potentially go and coach either Tua or Jones?? That move in itself makes no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: My question is why would want to leave Allen and potentially go and coach either Tua or Jones?? That move in itself makes no sense Disregard. Brain fart. Thought we were talking Daboll for a second. Head Coach >>>>> Coordinator It's that simple. Edited January 28, 2022 by DrDawkinstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Head Coach >>>>> Coordinator It's that simple. Not really, he didn’t even call the plays. Plus being an OC with Allen next year helps you out quite a bit of getting a HC spot. Going with Daboll possibly to Miami and there’s a chance you won’t be calling the plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Not really, he didn’t even call the plays. Plus being an OC with Allen next year helps you out quite a bit of getting a HC spot. Going with Daboll possibly to Miami and there’s a chance you won’t be calling the plays. My bad, I got confused and for some reason thought you were talking about Daboll leaving. Absolutely agree with you that Dorsey isnt going anywhere. His best OC spot is in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 The Dolphins have officially requested a 2nd interview with Daboll. (18) Ian Rapoport on Twitter: "The #Dolphins have now officially requested to interview #Bills OC Brian Daboll a second time, source said. Should be early next week… unless he gets the #Giants job." / Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I really didn’t think this would happen. Hope he’s wrong but he’s verified and a main reporter for NYG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phils n Bills Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I really didn’t think this would happen. Hope he’s wrong but he’s verified and a main reporter for NYG well…***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I really didn’t think this would happen. Hope he’s wrong but he’s verified and a main reporter for NYG I can't imagine he'd go if he would have the job here, not only does he go to a far more questionable situation, but he'll be the OC under an offensive Head Coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 So Daboll is basically taking the whole offensive staff with him. ***** it. Ask Josh McDaniels if he wants Daboll's old job. Our system is supposed to based on the E-P Offense too, and he gets to coach a real QB again. Nobody is going to say NE doesn't know how to generate YAC, or develop a screen game and a running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 It honestly makes no sense for Dorsey to essentially go where Daboll is the head coach since it’s Dabolls offense but hey if they want to go together this should be rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If Dorsey leaves it does not give a good impression as to what he must think of McD. Am I wrong on this? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: It honestly makes no sense for Dorsey to essentially go where Daboll is the head coach since it’s Dabolls offense but hey if they want to go together this should be rich That's fundamentally how I see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: If Dorsey leaves it does not give a good impression as to what he must think of McD. Am I wrong on this? It would certainly seem like an odd career choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I really didn’t think this would happen. Hope he’s wrong but he’s verified and a main reporter for NYG Seems like a crazy move for both of them. Rookie HC with a rookie OC? Dorsey gets first OC gig without a top QB? Good luck to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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QCity Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If he has aspirations of being a head coach his meal ticket is in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 The tweet is worded creatively. Maybe Dorsey is just trying to squeeze more money from the pegulas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I'm guessing Buffalo is not offering Dorsey the OC spot if he is considering going to the Giants. Nobody in his right mind would leave the Bills offense and Josh Allen to work with Jones. Or this is a brilliant negotiation strategy by Dorsey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Process said: The Pegulas are two of the wealthiest owners in the sport if they want to keep him they will but I’ll be honest he’s never called plays before and that scares me with a super bowl contender verses a team competing for 3rd in their division since both the Cowboys and Eagles are in far better shape talent wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If Dorsey is torn between the Bills and Giants, let him go. And then re-sign him as QB coach in a couple years when he gets fired. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Daboll just basically said the Giants QB situation is better then the Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The tweet is worded creatively. Maybe Dorsey is just trying to squeeze more money from the pegulas Or push them to pull the trigger and make a decision vs. taking a week to interview various candidates. 9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Daboll just basically said the Giants QB situation is better then the Dolphins Is he giving an intro presser or something? Linky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Or push them to pull the trigger and make a decision vs. taking a week to interview various candidates. Is he giving an intro presser or something? Linky? Come on you know that's just my read on it You could have Tua, no state taxes, no mandates and he chose Daniel Jones and NYC Edited January 29, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Come on you know that's just my read on it I didn't, actually, but thanks for clarifying! 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: You could have Tua, no state taxes, no mandates and he chose Daniel Jones and NYC I think having a GM he's comfortable working with in Schoen may have a lot to do with it (you left out the Dolphins juicy cap situation vs the Giants -$5M) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Process said: If Dorsey’s the guy to elevate Jones, says Daboll, maybe Brian knows that he himself got too much credit for Josh? Makes me think Daboll didn’t actually develop him at all and it was all Dorsey. He knows this and for him to succeed at HC he needs Dors to get the most out of Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Daboll just basically said the Giants QB situation is better then the Dolphins It will be when he takes Trubisky with him to compete with Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Or push them to pull the trigger and make a decision vs. taking a week to interview various candidates. Is he giving an intro presser or something? Linky? They are required to interview at least one minority candidate from outside the organization per the Rooney rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Come on you know that's just my read on it You could have Tua, no state taxes, no mandates and he chose Daniel Jones and NYC It’s more about the leash. You get a throwaway year evaluating DJ, if he sucks, you can pivot to a new QB. Dolphins are still in on Tua and probably will be for 2 more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They are required to interview at least one minority candidate from outside the organization per the Rooney rule Interesting! So they HAVE to interview outside the building for coordinators now too! Doesn't that cast some shade on the tweet that made it look as though the Giants offered Dorsey the job and it was all done but the i dotting and t crossing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Best Williams Available said: If Dorsey’s the guy to elevate Jones, says Daboll, maybe Brian knows that he himself got too much credit for Josh? Makes me think Daboll didn’t actually develop him at all and it was all Dorsey. He knows this and for him to succeed at HC he needs Dors to get the most out of Jones. The reality is Josh always had it in him to throw accurately. It was he, with the help of Jordan Palmer, who worked hard to make himself consistently be able to do it. Edited January 29, 2022 by Doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Daboll just basically said the Giants QB situation is better then the Dolphins Probably because they have 2 top 10 drafts picks this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Probably because they have 2 top 10 drafts picks this year. Yeah but there are no good QBs coming out next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yeah but there are no good QBs coming out next year. Kenny Pickett is going to be very good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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