12/19/21 Gameday Bills vs Panthers Postgame Thread

[Fred Slacks]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Although he had a ton of penalties, ( that taunting was a joke, didn't even see where they got that) physically I thought he played solid, there were a few times the whole line actually looked good holding the defenders off. When Boyle came in he did good too even though he allowed that one sack , Josh was holding the ball forever and Burns finally got through.

 

 

His first holding call was him tossing a speed rusher upfield. It didn’t look like holding to me. It looked like he embarrassed a speed rusher and the ref saw it late and assumed it must have been holding. I thought that was a horrible call. 

[Blank Stare]

9 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said:

His first holding call was him tossing a speed rusher upfield. It didn’t look like holding to me. It looked like he embarrassed a speed rusher and the ref saw it late and assumed it must have been holding. I thought that was a horrible call. 

I think that was Brian Burns. He just grabbed him and tossed him out the club. Rag dolled him. 

[nedboy7]

They should change the rules for January.  Only positive tests can take the field.  Omicronbowl.  

[AlfaBill]

4 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

I think that this is a more solid win than a lot of people are giving the Bills credit for. 

 

Stuff to work on? Sure, but how many drives were stalled out by Spencer Brown alone?  There were some miscues from Allen but he did more good than bad.  Davis looked like a legit #2 and Singletary did fairly well. 

 

The Bills definitely got too conservative on first/second down in the second half.  We aren't going to be a clock control team this season.

 

Defense held solid on 4th downs and did exactly what the scheme is supposed to do: Bend don't break.

 

So yeah, solid win. Keep that rolling into next week.

Not that I disagree BUT. They played a lousy Panther O. This game was closer than the score and against a better team the Bills would probably lose. I expected  them to really beat them. Maybe not necessarily a blow out but a dominating performance. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Not that I disagree BUT. They played a lousy Panther O. This game was closer than the score and against a better team the Bills would probably lose. I expected  them to really beat them. Maybe not necessarily a blow out but a dominating performance. 

This game was on the edge of a Bills blowout. They stripped Newton on his one run, but the panthers recovered. They had two near picks. And Newton miraculously hung onto a ball when Obada blew him up on a sack.

 

It’s those types of turnovers that have caused the panthers to get demolished. Just some lucky bounces for them today, otherwise this would have been a laugher.  

[BillsFan130]

10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This game was on the edge of a Bills blowout. They stripped Newton on his one run, but the panthers recovered. They had two near picks. And Newton miraculously hung onto a ball when Obada blew him up on a sack.

 

It’s those types of turnovers that have caused the panthers to get demolished. Just some lucky bounces for them today, otherwise this would have been a laugher.  

Bills also got a massive break on their touchdown drive on the 3rd.

 

There was a personal foul (horrible call IMO) that prolonged the drive and the bills took advantage and score.

 

All in all it was a fairly even game. Slight edge to the bills 

 

Yards isn't all, but mid way through the 4th Carolina was actually out gaining the bills.

 

I think this should have been closer to a bills 3-7 point win margin IMO

Edited December 20, 2021 by BillsFan130

[BillStime]

HA - amazing what PI is from week to week - esp w the Bucs 

[AlfaBill]

12 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This game was on the edge of a Bills blowout. They stripped Newton on his one run, but the panthers recovered. They had two near picks. And Newton miraculously hung onto a ball when Obada blew him up on a sack.

 

It’s those types of turnovers that have caused the panthers to get demolished. Just some lucky bounces for them today, otherwise this would have been a laugher.  

Hope you’re right. I’m not so confident after this win as odd as that sounds. 

[jlgarsh]

2 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

Nope. Couldn’t wrap up Cam

He had one miss but had 2 sacks where he wrapped him up pretty well...

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Bills also got a massive break on their touchdown drive on the 3rd.

 

There was a personal foul (horrible call IMO) that prolonged the drive and the bills took advantage and score.

 

All in all it was a fairly even game. Slight edge to the bills 

 

Yards isn't all, but mid way through the 4th Carolina was actually out gaining the bills.

 

I think this should have been closer to a bills 3-7 point win margin IMO

That personal foul was huge. That 93 on Carolina was basically baited into it by the Bills. 
 

i will say that this type of game was exactly the same as the pats wins over the bills for the last 20 years. Brady and co would mess around; the Bills would sort of hang around until they did something dumb; and then the patriots would win comfortably.

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

Hopefully dabol was saving the running back carries for the playoff push and we'll take teams by surprise going forward lol . I thought singletary played well

Edited December 20, 2021 by Kenosha2Buffalo

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

That personal foul was huge. That 93 on Carolina was basically baited into it by the Bills. 
 

i will say that this type of game was exactly the same as the pats wins over the bills for the last 20 years. Brady and co would mess around; the Bills would sort of hang around until they did something dumb; and then the patriots would win comfortably.

Yup. Saw a lot of that by the Jags. 

[Special K]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but is it actually possible that Cody Ford played a decent game today?

[Bruffalo]

1 hour ago, AlfaBill said:

Not that I disagree BUT. They played a lousy Panther O. This game was closer than the score and against a better team the Bills would probably lose. I expected  them to really beat them. Maybe not necessarily a blow out but a dominating performance. 

This was a dominating performance against one of the best pass defenses in the league. 14-31 is a dominating win in today's NFL.

[LABILLBACKER]

The Bills were an injured Carolina kicker away from having that a 1 possession game. Let's not forget how fortunate Josh was that his 1st qtr fumble wasn't a scoop td for Carolina. The flag on 93 that extended our td drive was terrible. We got breaks and our OL as usual played poorly. I could care less about point differentials. This team is right now barely a playoff team. We are just not built completely to surround Josh. Beane will have his most important offseason with this organization. OL first and foremost. 

[Special K]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

. Let's not forget how fortunate Josh was that his 1st qtr fumble wasn't a scoop td for Carolina. 

 

Let’s not forget that Cam Newton’s fumble that luckily went right to another Carolina player could have been a “scoop td” for Buffalo.

[Process]

10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The Bills were an injured Carolina kicker away from having that a 1 possession game. Let's not forget how fortunate Josh was that his 1st qtr fumble wasn't a scoop td for Carolina. The flag on 93 that extended our td drive was terrible. We got breaks and our OL as usual played poorly. I could care less about point differentials. This team is right now barely a playoff team. We are just not built completely to surround Josh. Beane will have his most important offseason with this organization. OL first and foremost. 

"The only way the Bills are scoring is with a defensive TD" 

 

🤡

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm not the only one who commented on his mediocre play. At halftime,  Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson, Howie Long, etc... showed several clips of Allen's poor play. I guess we see what we wanna see. 

 

How was Brady's game today?  Pretty mediocre huh or am I gonna get the don't compare Allen to the GOAT excuse?  I would say much more mediocre than Allens game.

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, LDD said:

Good win against a really good D and a much improved (from 2020) Cam Newton.  I respect the hell out that dude after his effort today.  

 

Frazier dialed up great blitz packages today.  

D line played tough most of the day and made some huge plays at big moments by knocking down passes.  

Allen is so good that when he's not AMAZING people think he played poorly.  That's a good thing.  Only play I really didn't like was the sack when we were backed way up on 3rd down in the fourth quarter.  Looked like old Josh, scrambling, ball switching hands...scary.  I didn't even hate the INT too much.  He's a gun slinger and gun slingers gonna sling.  DB made a great read by breaking off his coverage.  

O-line got a really good push at times today, which was different.  Motor played great.  

Brown is a rookie being asked to do a lot.  5 penalties is unacceptable.  He knows that, the staff knows that, we know that.  Hopefully he fixes that.  

Play calling was good at times and terrible at others.  Loved the outside run game that was effective though.  

Good win...keep rolling. 

If we’re going to truly try to establish a running game, it has to feature outside runs. It’s where Motor & Brieda do their best work.

6 hours ago, RunJoshRun said:

Have the Bills ever had a ROOKIE play both tackle positions in a season?

Excellent question! Probably, but I can’t think of one right now.

[AlfaBill]

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

This was a dominating performance against one of the best pass defenses in the league. 14-31 is a dominating win in today's NFL.

Maybe my expectations are too high. I saw a sloppy game where the better team couldn’t really get it going consistently. If this game was against a better team and that was the result I’d feel better; I guess I expected a more complete and consistent win. Hard to explain. 

[Bruffalo]

30 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Maybe my expectations are too high. I saw a sloppy game where the better team couldn’t really get it going consistently. If this game was against a better team and that was the result I’d feel better; I guess I expected a more complete and consistent win. Hard to explain. 

100% there's a lot to improve on, and I can understand why it's frustrating. 

 

If any neutral football fan watched the game today they'd would call it a dominating win for Buffalo though. 

[BillsFan619]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

100% there's a lot to improve on, and I can understand why it's frustrating. 

 

If any neutral football fan watched the game today they'd would call it a dominating win for Buffalo though. 

Good point, bro.

Some fans get so lost in every play or every detail that they don’t see the big picture of a win or a good win.

 

Every team has moments, quarters or halves in a game where they look flat or don’t look good. But the emotions can get so high over a few to several plays that it can cloud a fans view of their team’s performance. But like you said, take a neutral fan without the emotion, and they think, “they did well and controlled the game”.

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

The Bills were out of the playoffs after the Bengali's won.

 

The the Ravens lost and the Bengals now lead the division and the Dirty Birds are on the outside looking in

Incorrect.  The Bills are still in 7th currently.  Depends on the Browns game though.

[newcam2012]

11 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Hopefully the oline, which is subpar to begin with, gets their LT and Mongo back. You, Ethan in Portland (who prophesied an epic loss and McD on the verge of being fired), and Gene1973 are among the most persistently negative posters on this board. The Bills have disappointed, partly through miscalculations in roster construction, but also because they've had some ill luck and egregious officiating that have contributed to their mediocre record. None of that makes them a bad team.

I don't think the Bills are a bad team. They have a fantastic franchise QB that lots of team would die for. Many solid players, a stud CB and WR and great young emerging TE. 8-6 isn't bad but I think we all expected better. This upcoming game should tell us a lot about this team. 

[njbuff]

Who gives a F F about style points this time of year when NOTHING is a sure thing.

 

The Bills did what they had to do and beat Carolina.

 

That’s all that matters.

[CSBill]

6 hours ago, Special K said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but is it actually possible that Cody Ford played a decent game today?

 

Sort of, check out Freds "Ford's Report" thread.

11 hours ago, Steptide said:

If the bills lose next week and the Dolphins win, both teams would be 8-7 🤮

 

But good news, we hold the tie-breaker over them 🤣

[Governor]

4 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

Maybe my expectations are too high. I saw a sloppy game where the better team couldn’t really get it going consistently. If this game was against a better team and that was the result I’d feel better; I guess I expected a more complete and consistent win. Hard to explain. 

It’s such a strange team. A few quick strikes followed by 3 quarters of pretty ugly football. I’ve never seen a team blow people out but look so bad doing it.

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

How was Brady's game today?  Pretty mediocre huh or am I gonna get the don't compare Allen to the GOAT excuse?  I would say much more mediocre than Allens game.

 Both were better than McCorkle 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[JMF2006]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Incorrect.  The Bills are still in 7th currently.  Depends on the Browns game though.

 

Yes they are...but for about 1/2 an hour they were in 8th until the Ravens lost which moved them back in.

[Greg S]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Incorrect.  The Bills are still in 7th currently.  Depends on the Browns game though.

 

It was a perfect weekend. The Colts won and the Bills took advantage by getting back to within a game of the Pats. It would be nice if the scoreboard would go our way in the other games but the Bills control their own destiny for the division and playoffs. That is the only thing that matters.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Correct me if Im wroing but I think the 2 snaps Brown missed was a timeout benching after the taunting call. I remember the cameras showimg coach talking to Brown after the personal foul and then Brown going to sit down.

 

I could be wrong but I liked the benching. Semmed to have an impact on Brown 

[CNYfan]

Morse can't have 100% of snaps at C; and Bates also have snaps at C.

What position did Bates actually play, I think he was an extra OL on some heavy sets.  I think OT would be correct

Edited December 20, 2021 by CNYfan
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[Dont Stop Billeiving]

13 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This game was on the edge of a Bills blowout. They stripped Newton on his one run, but the panthers recovered. They had two near picks. And Newton miraculously hung onto a ball when Obada blew him up on a sack.

 

It’s those types of turnovers that have caused the panthers to get demolished. Just some lucky bounces for them today, otherwise this would have been a laugher.  

So glad you pointed out this play and reminded me of it...Newton looks washed as a passer, but he's still so tough to bring down as a runner and I honestly don't know if there is another QB in the NFL who hangs onto that ball like he did. The classic tomahawk to the throwing arm and the ball didn't even budge, that was one of those 'whoa he's different' kind of plays Newton can still pull off every so often with his size and strength. 

 

One other key takeaway for me after reading through this whole thread today:

 

The INT Josh threw was an incredible play by an incredible player in Jeremy Chinn. He dropped into the flat while keeping his eyes on Allen the whole time and baited him to throw into the window behind him. Then he used his elite athleticism to change direction and make the leaping grab. Josh had the window to throw that ball and only a small handful of DBs could have gotten back into position to even attempt that play. You'd love to have it back and Josh wasn't perfect yesterday, but sometimes you have to tip your hat to the opposing player. 

 

 

[Doc]

12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The Bills were an injured Carolina kicker away from having that a 1 possession game. Let's not forget how fortunate Josh was that his 1st qtr fumble wasn't a scoop td for Carolina. The flag on 93 that extended our td drive was terrible. We got breaks and our OL as usual played poorly. I could care less about point differentials. This team is right now barely a playoff team. We are just not built completely to surround Josh. Beane will have his most important offseason with this organization. OL first and foremost. 

 

With Dawkins it's a whole different game.  

 

4 hours ago, CNYfan said:

Morse can't have 100% of snaps at C; and Bates also have snaps at C.

What position did Bates actually play, I think he was an extra OL on some heavy sets.  I think OT would be correct

 

I'm assuming Bates was a 6th OL on 6 plays.  I think Doyle played in place of Brown and Williams on the 2 snaps each they didn't play.

[AlfaBill]

7 hours ago, Governor said:

It’s such a strange team. A few quick strikes followed by 3 quarters of pretty ugly football. I’ve never seen a team blow people out but look so bad doing it.

Well put. That’s what I’ve been trying to say. I watch a lot of football and would agree that when you’re emotionally involved as a fan, the highs are high and the lows are low.  That said I don’t see the Bills as this dominating team. They seem to get by even if the score is lopsided. It’s a strange thing for sure. 

[No Cease Fires]

7 hours ago, Governor said:

It’s such a strange team. A few quick strikes followed by 3 quarters of pretty ugly football. I’ve never seen a team blow people out but look so bad doing it.

Did you even watch the game. They scored 17 in the first half, another 14 in the second half, spread across al but the first quarter. Quick strikes? Seriously, what game were you watching?

[dave mcbride]

18 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

brown had a lot of penalties but he didnt look as bad as Dawkins has been lately

 

 

 

His foot injury is why he was off but he still played a Hell of a game, that long run was impressive

 

 

He looked terrible. He couldn't handle Burns at all one on one. He was abused all game.

14 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Well put. That’s what I’ve been trying to say. I watch a lot of football and would agree that when you’re emotionally involved as a fan, the highs are high and the lows are low.  That said I don’t see the Bills as this dominating team. They seem to get by even if the score is lopsided. It’s a strange thing for sure. 

The thing to remember is that Carolina's defense is for real. 2nd in yards allowed and with arguably the best pass rushing tandem in the league. They abused the Bills' line in pass rushing situations all game, and the talent differential was significant. They are a talented unit overall. 

They were also aided by the fact that the Panthers have the worst quarterback in the league. Newton missed two very makeable TD throws where the receivers -- Sneed and Moore -- had gotten behind the Bills defenders (Wallace first and Jackson later). 

Edited December 20, 2021 by dave mcbride