Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: First one: yes, should have been called. But if diggs doesn’t turn around to chastise the defender, he catches that and scores. Final one: that screen sheet literally shows nothing because it doesn’t show what diggs did at at the top of the route (play rough and commit borderline OPI). The one that’ll stick is the Evans/Wallace play. Just horrific officiating. The grab spun him a little bit it looked like and he lost the ball in the air 9 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Borderline... Even if they’re all borderline and they all go one teams way…that is an issue. Not that these were borderline 😂 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: The grab spun him a little bit it looked like and he lost the ball in the air He was literally yelling at the defender mid-play. Then he was free and lost despite the ball being right there for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Couldn't find the whole play. You're the one making the claim that Diggs "plowed into" the defender. You find the whole clip. Diggs initiated contact with his right arm at the beginning of the route and both guys remained actively engaged in a positioning battle for the remainder of the play. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertig0 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: People have to realize that unless the db is beaten — and the DB most definitely wasn’t beaten on that play — they are going to let them play in that situation. They are gonna let the go at it one on one with the best man winning. Christ, save your tears for the much worse call that cost the Bills the game — the DPI on on Wallace, which absolutely cost them the game. I don't disagree on the Wallace call. And I'm also not crying,we lose, whatever still alive and just need to make the show. But that's just a poor take. It's defensive holding. It's called in far less clear situations, and the sole reason it wasn't called is because it could've decided the game. But it's still a penalty. Don't tell me that if a CB hangs on a defenders jersey and pulls it half way down his chest on 1st and 10 at the 25 with 14:55 left in the 1Q, that they aren't going to call holding. We both know they do, 100% of the time, even if there was "aggressive hand fighting" and foreplay. Edit: I think I'm being an idiot and you said it should've been called but then qualified it and we're debating over nothing but semantics at this point. Or maybe I can't read. Too many posts at once. Haha. Edited December 13, 2021 by Vertig0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Simon said: Diggs initiated contact with his right arm at the beginning of the route and both guys remained actively engaged in a positioning battle for the remainder of the play. Where was Diggs actively engaged in this clip? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: The whole team fought in the come back. Not one dude no matter how awesome JA is. Defense needs praise too. No matter how much everyone wants to cut them. Sorry, can't give the defense credit. They gave up 33 points, including two long TD's, one to end the game. They gave up over 100 yards and a score to their RB. Also over 360 yards and 2 TD's to Brady. So no, I am going to give credit to Allen and nobody else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He was literally yelling at the defender mid-play. Then he was free and lost despite the ball being right there for him. I’ll trust what my eyes see and what Mcaulie (a former official) says about the three calls/non calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Simon said: Diggs initiated contact with his right arm at the beginning of the route and both guys remained actively engaged in a positioning battle for the remainder of the play. Looks like the handfighting was ok to me but then the db lunges and takes diggs out and he kind of knows he just committed the game losing PI so he threw his hands up as he’s falling to the ground like he didn’t do anything lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertig0 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Turbo44 said: I’ll trust what my eyes see and what Mcaulie (a former official) says about the three calls/non calls. I didn't get a chance to see the end of the game live. Can you detail what former official said about calls? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Sorry, can't give the defense credit. They gave up 33 points, including two long TD's, one to end the game. They gave up over 100 yards and a score to their RB. Also over 360 yards and 2 TD's to Brady. So no, I am going to give credit to Allen and nobody else. Yeah 3 points by TB in the second half had nothing to do with the come back. I get your point but it is a team game and we have more than one "warrior". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Yeah 3 points by TB in the second half had nothing to do with the come back. I get your point but it is a team game and we have more than one "warrior". How much credit are we throwing around for a loss? Maybe if we had won, but we didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I’ll trust what my eyes see and what Mcaulie (a former official) says about the three calls/non calls. If I’m thinking of the right play, if Diggs had focused on playing the game and not shouting at the defender he would have probably caught the ball anyway. Josh gets some criticism for thinking he’ll get a free play when he didn’t but this time it was down to Diggs taking a similar approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, MJS said: How much credit are we throwing around for a loss? Maybe if we had won, but we didn't. We would have won if there was the correct PI call in the end-zone. So the difference between giving credit and not is a bad call from a ref. We didnt come back from 21 down thanks to the refs. The players digged in and didn't quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, Pitch left said: He played his heart out -- it took forever for them to check the pressure from the right side - is that JA's fault ? Last year they chipped for Williams all the time - JA is a gamer - he gets over jacked at times but who else fits for a team like this ? There's plenty of ops to improve but he's the least of their worries 54 minutes ago, Pitch left said: He played his heart out -- it took forever for them to check the pressure from the right side - is that JA's fault ? Last year they chipped for Williams all the time - JA is a gamer - he gets over jacked at times but who else fits for a team like this ? There's plenty of ops to improve but he's the least of their worries I agree with everything you said. I also believe Allen had the ball with the ability to go up and potentially win the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 this was on the Bills' 3rd down play in OT. Credit to the Bucs - if you know you're going to get away with it, may as well grab/hold/interfere as much as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, RiotAct said: I actually think that it was a pretty well-officiated game, up until those two non-calls. Thats how the refs do it. They give the illusion of a fairly called game and then when it matters most they throw the flag (or don't throw it.) Tired of hearing crap like "the Bills don't didnt deserve it" or whatever. They literally did JUST ENOUGH to win this very, very important game. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 A CRNA who I work with and who is a Cheaters fan texted me and asked how that wasn't PI. The NFL is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, MJS said: Keep crying about the refs if you want. That might help you sleep at night? So you truly believe that the game if we'll officiated would have still been a Buc win? I can state the officials are likely +8 points for the Bucs and -7 for Bills in regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Thats how the refs do it. They give the illusion of a fairly called game and then when it matters most they throw the flag (or don't throw it.) Tired of hearing crap like "the Bills don't didnt deserve it" or whatever. They literally did JUST ENOUGH to win this very, very important game. The amount of energy expanded on every critical play during an NFL game is absolutely enormous. For penalties to eliminate good plays and/or non-calls on obvious penalties is incredibly difficult to overcome. The Bills overcame it anyway but the refs and NY made sure their hero Brady won in the end. Those fans that act tough by saying the Bills didn't do enough are unfathomably foolish. It was a Herculean effort that was taken away from them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: The amount of energy expanded on every critical play during an NFL game is absolutely enormous. For penalties to eliminate good plays and/or non-calls on obvious penalties is incredibly difficult to overcome. The Bills overcame it anyway but the refs and NY made sure their hero Brady won in the end. Those fans that act tough by saying the Bills didn't do enough are unfathomably foolish. It was a Herculean effort that was taken away from them. Something needs to be done, but nothing will. As long people keep watching, the NFL will continue to screw over the less popular teams and that includes me. This loss is like a bad hangover. It's going to be a long week ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 It's going to be Bucs vs. Pats. Too much money to be made for them not to want it. The badge will make it so. The bright side is that this was the game that galvanized this team...they bottomed out and rediscovered their character. Probably too late but that is what we have been waiting for all year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: this was on the Bills' 3rd down play in OT. Credit to the Bucs - if you know you're going to get away with it, may as well grab/hold/interfere as much as possible. Not much credit when they always get away with it hahaha it isn’t like gamesmanship or anything 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said: It's going to be Bucs vs. Pats. Too much money to be made for them not to want it. The badge will make it so. The bright side is that this was the game that galvanized this team...they bottomed out and rediscovered their character. Probably too late but that is what we have been waiting for all year. the pats are going to be one and done in the playoffs man. mac jones STINKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Sheesh 7 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Sheesh BullBuchanan1 hour ago Had Allen shown he can carry the team? BullBuchanan1 hour ago @Radar he may be our only hope but he's not good enough to do it on his own like the generational guys can and that's all that can save us BullBuchanan1 hour ago Allen reminds me a lot of watching Romo, losing in the most glorious ways BullBuchanan1 hour ago But ultimately losing 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: the pats are going to be one and done in the playoffs man. mac jones STINKS Good....F-them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Nah, no motivation whatsoever.. the steely eyed realists know better than anyone: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/10/04/tom-brady-buccaneers-patriots-return-tv-ratings/5995703001/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 With all that Bills still had a chance in overtime. They went 3 and out. Then couldn’t get off the field on 3rd and 3. Fans wanna blame the refs..but we didn’t do what we needed to do to win. 4 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: BullBuchanan1 hour ago Had Allen shown he can carry the team? BullBuchanan1 hour ago @Radar he may be our only hope but he's not good enough to do it on his own like the generational guys can and that's all that can save us BullBuchanan1 hour ago Allen reminds me a lot of watching Romo, losing in the most glorious ways BullBuchanan1 hour ago But ultimately losing That's really clueless on his part. Allen with injury carried this team on his back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 who? Is he related to James Buchanan, 15th President of the United States? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said: That's really clueless on his part. Allen with injury carried this team on his back. Josh Allen = Tony Romo 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, CountDorkula said: Josh Allen = Tony Romo Awful post and awful opinion 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Going 3 and out in overtime. Then giving up 3rd and 3 is rigged? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: Josh Allen = Tony Romo You’re kidding. Romo wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) There’s a narrative, absolutely no doubt. Remember when Gilmore was with Buffalo he’s on record saying how refs would come up to him pre game and say “Hey 24, we’re gonna be watching you today.” And he was like wtf. Like yeah you should be watching players every play. Why tf would a ref say that to a player. That minor detail shows the bias and corruption of officiating. You literally can throw an OL or defensive holding on any given play. Both are drive killers and extenders. It can be those most egregious call, but after the game it’s a forgotten forever. Absolutely ZERO accountability for shyt calls. If the player / coaches criticize officials they have to pay cash money. No freedom of speech in the NFL. Do you realize how ***** the officiating system is? These ***** need to be graded and fined / demoted for bad performances. NFL officiating is like centralized banking, they can do whatever they want and are the end all be all. It needs to be similar blockchain where every call and non call is accounted for, graded, scored and judged. Not sure if that really makes sense, I’m a bottle of casamigos deep right now. I’m just sick of some of that bs calls that swing games, and yes it’s been in our favor before too, but mostly not. Either way it’s not right. And I have the easiest fix. It’s really very, very simple. Ah well F me I’m going to bed. Edited December 13, 2021 by ßookie_tech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Tommy gets graded on a curve. Has been for decades. I guess the shield will keep doing it until he's 50, which is beyond ridiculous is a sport like football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said: Going 3 and out in overtime. Then giving up 3rd and 3 is rigged? this was the 3rd down of the 3 and out in OT what were your thoughts on the spot on 3rd down on the Bucs first set of downs in OT? Refs signaled first down without even a measurement. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, MJS said: Sorry, can't give the defense credit. They gave up 33 points, including two long TD's, one to end the game. They gave up over 100 yards and a score to their RB. Also over 360 yards and 2 TD's to Brady. So no, I am going to give credit to Allen and nobody else. Good job of proving that you don't understand the basics of football. I don't blame the officials for being down at half but you don't understand consistent officiating is essential to a good game. If you accept that kind of calls you must think the officials in the Super Bowl this past year were good. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Bermuda Triangle said: this was the 3rd down of the 3 and out in OT what were your thoughts on the spot on 3rd down on the Bucs first set of downs in OT? Refs signaled first down without even a measurement. Thats an excellent point, really when have you ever seen a spot that close without the sticks coming out? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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